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3/1/2003 5:30:32 PM EDT
Well, just got from firing this bad boy for the first time.  All I have to say is I love this rifle.  Put 150 rounds through it.  Holds about a one and a half inch group at 300 meters on iron sights.  Looking to add a red dot to it soon.

Templar, you are a good man.  Thank you.
3/1/2003 6:23:24 PM EDT
[#1]
1.5" at 300..with irons?!?!?!?!

sir, you need to get to camp perry!
3/1/2003 6:25:02 PM EDT
[#2]
Wow, 1 1/2 inch groups at 300 meters.  Thats some tight groups for a AK, thats some great shooting.  I would hold on to that rifle with groups like that.
3/1/2003 6:57:32 PM EDT
[#3]
3 words...Bench rest
3/1/2003 7:33:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Not meters, feet. Sorry guys.
3/1/2003 7:55:16 PM EDT
[#5]
Anytime!  Glad you like it.  Who says just because it's an AK it can't be accurate??

Still......1 1/2" at 300 meters would have been damn impressive...

Maybe we can hook up and I'll take you to a place we can do some 200, 300, and 500 yard shooting.

I'll be honest though, I do switch to my Springfield M-1A for the 500 yard open sights (standing), but it's against steel so you get almost instant satisfaction.
3/1/2003 9:52:54 PM EDT
[#6]
1.5" groups are 100 yards is still damn impressive for an AK. What kind of ammo was shot through the gun? If you say Wolf, then that disproves the notion that Wolf or Barnual is "not as accurate" as American loads. Granted, 7.62x39 Norma is the ticket, and I'm sure the Finns have other cool loads for their Valmet 62s and Sako 92/95s.
3/2/2003 2:53:01 AM EDT
[#7]
Themao, Norma is Swedish. There is still some of the excellent Finnish Lapua ammo on the market though.

I have heard of exceptional groupd like this from time to to time with Norma or Laua ammo, but it is still rare even then.
3/2/2003 6:45:32 AM EDT
[#8]
Actually it was 300 meters, standing, firing from the hip yelling, "YAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH, TAKE THAT YOU DIRTY BASTARDS!!!"  Hell if I could shoot that grouping at 300 meters on irons, do you think I'd be working in a warehouse?  Ohhhh helll no.

Anyway, just goes to show what happens when you're thinking of something else while typing.  The beers that went down earlier and the ones that were going down at that time didn't help much either.  Not much in the world beats a good afternoon of shooting followed by beer.  Even my girlfriend commented on my new found lowered stress level.  Even she and the kids weren't able to annoy me.

Anyway, it was Wolf ammo.  I had no problems with it, except for not bringing more with me.

I also failed to mention that was the best grouping I had and shot one about that tight twice.  The rest were not quite that tight.  Not to mention the rapid fire fun that was had.

Templar, I'll be in touch and we'll head on out for some shooting.
3/2/2003 10:49:10 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Themao, Norma is Swedish. There is still some of the excellent Finnish Lapua ammo on the market though.

I have heard of exceptional groupd like this from time to to time with Norma or Laua ammo, but it is still rare even then.



I know Norma is Swedish! I should have mentioned that, sorry. That's the only company I've seen that makes 7.62x39 mm in brass casings besides a few American makers that make deer loads. Where do you find Lapua ammo?

Edited to add that I don't even think brass casings make much of a difference. It's highly dependent on the gun and the bullet. Although doesn't the neck of the casing have a lot to do with seating the bullet properly in the chamber? I've seen gun tests where Wolf .223 outshot other US brass cased brands in AR-15 variants, so Wolf or Barnual can't be that bad.
3/2/2003 11:40:29 AM EDT
[#10]
Themao, I figured you knew what you were saying, I just wasn't sure.
Along with the American ammo, there is brass cased  7.62 X 39 from South Africa, Yugoslavia, Sweden (rare) Finnland, (can be found at most decent gun shows, if you can't find any IM me),
and Israel.  I know there is another out there but I can't think of it right off.

The only real difference between brass and steel cased ammo that I have found is weight and price.
The IMI, Lapua, and Norma shoot much better groups, but are far more expensive.
3/2/2003 2:05:44 PM EDT
[#11]
As far as brassed cased ammo, you're forgetting Zimbabwe (African Norinco with brass cases), Brazil (CBC) and Syria.

I have found that the Yugoslav stuff is the most accurate in my AK's, as well as the East German steel cased stuff.
3/2/2003 8:07:37 PM EDT
[#12]
Good grief. With all this "brass diversity", I'm starting to get sick in my stomach .

I'll stick with good old Russian, German, Eugenic Nordic or American ammo thank you.
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