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Posted: 6/6/2016 4:31:22 PM EDT
| I have noticed that the 5.45x39 ak market is dry. Is there reason other than popularity? |
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I thought Arsenal stop production of SLR106 series in 2013? What other 5.56 AKs are out there?
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Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. |
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Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. Saigas, VEPRs, and Yugos come to mind. Not sure if they are all readily available as I'm really not interested in 5.56 AKs. |
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Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. Polish Beryl Archers |
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Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. Yeah and this is why I never got into 5.45 when I wanted an AK-74 type rifle, I just skipped over into 5.56 AKs I wish I could have piled up spam cans of 5.45, but I missed that boat. By the time I wanted a small pill AK, steel-cased 5.45 and 5.56 were pretty much the same price - with 5.56 often being cheaper due to greater amount imported. Both rounds are great out of the AK. |
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I can"t seem to find any Archers in stock, I did however find SLR106FR. I'm hesitant as parts could be difficult to procure in the future. Seems the SLR104FR is the way to go.
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Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. Polish Beryl Archers |
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Yes it cost more but it right along 7.62 and .223 steel case now. Agreed As far as price goes I don't think 5.45 being equal to 7.62 is a reason not to get into 5.45. It's not necessarily an argument for it either but definitely not a detractor People act like 5.45 isn't worth it if it's more than 10 cents a round but while the cheap days have gone it's still a good caliber, fun to shoot, there are interesting rifles on the market and there is plenty of ammo out there. If AK owners don't object to 7.62 prices for shooting I don't see why 5.45 being the same would be a problem. Despite 10+ years of people saying 5.45 is going to dry up and you won't be able to find mags, ammo or guns, the ammo is still there, the rifles are still there and there are plenty of mags too. Everything in the industry is generally more expensive including 5.45 but it's still available 10 years from now? Who knows, but it's still alive and kicking at the moment Z |
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I think the price and availability of mags for 5.45 rifles is what steers people away. After all these years 7.62 steel mags are still very affordable and plentiful.
When it comes to 5.56 and 5.45 magazine prices and availability, the argument is pointless. Are people also not aware of SG Ammo? They always have a good amount of commercial 5.45. +/- $175 for 750 rounds is close to the price of 1k of 7.62. |
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5.45 mags are not going to dry up anytime soon, Magpul is releasing their ak74 Pmag this summer. As ammo goes, I have owned many AKs: Mak90, M70,s, Wasr 10 and 3 different Bulgarian AK74( before they where popular) to me the little extra is worth the shooting experience of the 5.45x39. However this thread got me thinking about 5.56 AK considering I can go to any store that carries ammo they will have 5.56, maybe 7.62 but no 5.45. The simple answer is to buy in bulk but with a wife that will bitch about a one time 300 dollar ammo bill but a 60.00 dollar ammo bill every month will go unnoticed, 5.56 is appealing. Mags for 5.56 are expensive and parts for the rifles seem to be something that could dry up. The reliability of the 5.56 ak has mixed reviews thus 5.56 rifle seems to be a bad choice as things seem right now.
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Agreed As far as price goes I don't think 5.45 being equal to 7.62 is a reason not to get into 5.45. It's not necessarily an argument for it either but definitely not a detractor People act like 5.45 isn't worth it if it's more than 10 cents a round but while the cheap days have gone it's still a good caliber, fun to shoot, there are interesting rifles on the market and there is plenty of ammo out there. If AK owners don't object to 7.62 prices for shooting I don't see why 5.45 being the same would be a problem. Despite 10+ years of people saying 5.45 is going to dry up and you won't be able to find mags, ammo or guns, the ammo is still there, the rifles are still there and there are plenty of mags too. Everything in the industry is generally more expensive including 5.45 but it's still available 10 years from now? Who knows, but it's still alive and kicking at the moment Z Quoted:
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Yes it cost more but it right along 7.62 and .223 steel case now. Agreed As far as price goes I don't think 5.45 being equal to 7.62 is a reason not to get into 5.45. It's not necessarily an argument for it either but definitely not a detractor People act like 5.45 isn't worth it if it's more than 10 cents a round but while the cheap days have gone it's still a good caliber, fun to shoot, there are interesting rifles on the market and there is plenty of ammo out there. If AK owners don't object to 7.62 prices for shooting I don't see why 5.45 being the same would be a problem. Despite 10+ years of people saying 5.45 is going to dry up and you won't be able to find mags, ammo or guns, the ammo is still there, the rifles are still there and there are plenty of mags too. Everything in the industry is generally more expensive including 5.45 but it's still available 10 years from now? Who knows, but it's still alive and kicking at the moment Z |
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I wish someone made a high quality 74 with a fixed stock.  Mine was a Bulgarian, with a wooden stock and furniture. Light, very well-balanced, accurate enough for the purpose and dead-nuts reliable, it only fucked up once, with a defective primer in spam-can ammo. |
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Quoted: I wish someone made a high quality 74 with a fixed stock. I agree. DDI makes a nice one, when it's made right. I know someone who had to send theirs back like 5 times until it was built properly. You could always get a competent smith to build you one. I'm not big on these 4.5mm side folders. Much rather have a right side folding stock, if I was to go that route. |
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Quoted: Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. The ak74 is still extremely cheap to shoot. You buy boxes of wolf that contain 30 rounds for not much more than the 20 round wolf boxes of 7.62x39 I see that excuse used a lot on here. But if that's the reason people stopped, then they were misinformed. Besides, I think the AK74 with its additional effective range, bigger combat load, and light pulse is better than the AK47. With or without cheaper ammo. |
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I guess I stand corrected. SLR106 is back...for now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYF2yeM2Ik around 7:30.
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Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. |
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I saw those, DDI offers a 1 year warranty on the rifle but if you register the weapon on their web site they give you two more years of warranty service.
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DDI AK-74 MOE - https://www.classicfirearms.com/ddi-ak-74-stamped-magpul-stock-premium-grade-545x39 |
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I think the price and availability of mags for 5.45 rifles is what steers people away. After all these years 7.62 steel mags are still very affordable and plentiful. When it comes to 5.56 and 5.45 magazine prices and availability, the argument is pointless. Are people also not aware of SG Ammo? They always have a good amount of commercial 5.45. +/- $175 for 750 rounds is close to the price of 1k of 7.62. I've never understood this argument. The difference in cost for a mag that is $30 and one that is $15 is miniscule compared to the price of ammo. A magazine is a non-consumable component of the rifle. How many do you need anyway? If you buy 7-8 mags, you should be good to go. If people can't afford to pay an extra $15*8 then they need to find a cheaper hobby. I also don't understand why people say that 7.62 is better than 5.45 because it is the same price. If 7.62 were significantly cheaper than 5.45, then the argument would be improved. |
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I've never understood this argument. The difference in cost for a mag that is $30 and one that is $15 is miniscule compared to the price of ammo. A magazine is a non-consumable component of the rifle. How many do you need anyway? If you buy 7-8 mags, you should be good to go. If people can't afford to pay an extra $15*8 then they need to find a cheaper hobby. I also don't understand why people say that 7.62 is better than 5.45 because it is the same price. If 7.62 were significantly cheaper than 5.45, then the argument would be improved. Quoted:
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I think the price and availability of mags for 5.45 rifles is what steers people away. After all these years 7.62 steel mags are still very affordable and plentiful. When it comes to 5.56 and 5.45 magazine prices and availability, the argument is pointless. Are people also not aware of SG Ammo? They always have a good amount of commercial 5.45. +/- $175 for 750 rounds is close to the price of 1k of 7.62. I've never understood this argument. The difference in cost for a mag that is $30 and one that is $15 is miniscule compared to the price of ammo. A magazine is a non-consumable component of the rifle. How many do you need anyway? If you buy 7-8 mags, you should be good to go. If people can't afford to pay an extra $15*8 then they need to find a cheaper hobby. I also don't understand why people say that 7.62 is better than 5.45 because it is the same price. If 7.62 were significantly cheaper than 5.45, then the argument would be improved. I guessed you missed the part about availibility, I've been in the 5.45 game since 2007. You can go to pretty much any LGS or online retailer and get cheap mags for 7.62. Not the same for 5.45. As for how many mags does a person need? It's up to them, I know people with over 50 AR mags. Magazines are also a consumable item when it applies to the military applications. For the average joe, your opinion is pretty valid. |
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The ak74 is still extremely cheap to shoot. You buy boxes of wolf that contain 30 rounds for not much more than the 20 round wolf boxes of 7.62x39 I see that excuse used a lot on here. But if that's the reason people stopped, then they were misinformed. Besides, I think the AK74 with its additional effective range, bigger combat load, and light pulse is better than the AK47. With or without cheaper ammo. Quoted:
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Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. The ak74 is still extremely cheap to shoot. You buy boxes of wolf that contain 30 rounds for not much more than the 20 round wolf boxes of 7.62x39 I see that excuse used a lot on here. But if that's the reason people stopped, then they were misinformed. Besides, I think the AK74 with its additional effective range, bigger combat load, and light pulse is better than the AK47. With or without cheaper ammo. I'm just relaying the excuse I see in a lot of 74 threads. I have two 5,45 krinks and no desire to get rid of them. Wish I still had a full size 74 to go with them. But some people figure that if Wolf 5.45 and Wolf .223 cost the same, they may as well go with the 5.56 AK so they can use the same ammo as their AR. I try to consolidate calibers whenever possible.. but I have zero interest in ditching 5.45 for any reason. I'm probably more likely to ditch 7.62x39 in the near future lol |
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I'm just relaying the excuse I see in a lot of 74 threads. I have two 5,45 krinks and no desire to get rid of them. Wish I still had a full size 74 to go with them. But some people figure that if Wolf 5.45 and Wolf .223 cost the same, they may as well go with the 5.56 AK so they can use the same ammo as their AR. I try to consolidate calibers whenever possible.. but I have zero interest in ditching 5.45 for any reason. I'm probably more likely to ditch 7.62x39 in the near future lol Quoted:
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Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. The ak74 is still extremely cheap to shoot. You buy boxes of wolf that contain 30 rounds for not much more than the 20 round wolf boxes of 7.62x39 I see that excuse used a lot on here. But if that's the reason people stopped, then they were misinformed. Besides, I think the AK74 with its additional effective range, bigger combat load, and light pulse is better than the AK47. With or without cheaper ammo. I'm just relaying the excuse I see in a lot of 74 threads. I have two 5,45 krinks and no desire to get rid of them. Wish I still had a full size 74 to go with them. But some people figure that if Wolf 5.45 and Wolf .223 cost the same, they may as well go with the 5.56 AK so they can use the same ammo as their AR. I try to consolidate calibers whenever possible.. but I have zero interest in ditching 5.45 for any reason. I'm probably more likely to ditch 7.62x39 in the near future lol I've sold all but one of my 7.62x39 AK over the last couple of years. |
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I have noticed that the 5.45x39 ak market is dry. Is there reason other than popularity? I think manufacturing capability for aks are being diverted into the other calibers; 7.62x39 for the middle east and maybe 5.56 for countries formerly Warsaw pact but now NATO with a resurgant, semi beligerant and expansionist Russia. Civilian market is left with what the hogs left in the trough, nothing. |
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Quoted: The ak74 is still extremely cheap to shoot. You buy boxes of wolf that contain 30 rounds for not much more than the 20 round wolf boxes of 7.62x39 I see that excuse used a lot on here. But if that's the reason people stopped, then they were misinformed. Besides, I think the AK74 with its additional effective range, bigger combat load, and light pulse is better than the AK47. With or without cheaper ammo. Quoted: Quoted: Demand for the rifles dropped once the cheap surplus ammo was banned from further import. Now more people buy 5.56 AKs instead since the wolf and similar ammo costs the same and will work in their ARs and such. The ak74 is still extremely cheap to shoot. You buy boxes of wolf that contain 30 rounds for not much more than the 20 round wolf boxes of 7.62x39 I see that excuse used a lot on here. But if that's the reason people stopped, then they were misinformed. Besides, I think the AK74 with its additional effective range, bigger combat load, and light pulse is better than the AK47. With or without cheaper ammo. Is there still good defensive rounds available for relatively cheap? 7n6 was a nasty little round. |
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Spoken like a true AK74 owner. I love my AK74 but I'm seriously debating putting it aside for 7.62x39mm. Quoted:
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I was very fond of mine. They are sweet little rifles, if you can set aside all the bullshit. Spoken like a true AK74 owner. I love my AK74 but I'm seriously debating putting it aside for 7.62x39mm. I have/shot plenty of both. Like both but the ak74 5.45 is the assault weapon I'd choose to take with me over any other everything being equal. |
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Quoted: 7n6 is still widely available online. Just not as cheaply as it used to be. Quoted: Quoted: Is there still good defensive rounds available for relatively cheap? 7n6 was a nasty little round. 7n6 is still widely available online. Just not as cheaply as it used to be. I know it is, but how does the non corrosive, new made stuff stack up to it? |
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Is there still good defensive rounds available for relatively cheap? 7n6 was a nasty little round. 7n6 is still widely available online. Just not as cheaply as it used to be. I know it is, but how does the non corrosive, new made stuff stack up to it? The lacquered and sealed Wolf 60gr stuff is just as good without being corrosive. |
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Is there still good defensive rounds available for relatively cheap? 7n6 was a nasty little round. 7n6 is still widely available online. Just not as cheaply as it used to be. I know it is, but how does the non corrosive, new made stuff stack up to it? The lacquered and sealed Wolf 60gr stuff is just as good without being corrosive. Is the bullet made the same as the 7n6 bullet? |
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Is there still good defensive rounds available for relatively cheap? 7n6 was a nasty little round. 7n6 is still widely available online. Just not as cheaply as it used to be. I know it is, but how does the non corrosive, new made stuff stack up to it? The lacquered and sealed Wolf 60gr stuff is just as good without being corrosive. Is the bullet made the same as the 7n6 bullet? It can't be because it's 60gr not 53 like 7n6; in fact, I don't know of any other commercial 5.45 made at 53grs. I've heard of issues with the 55gr stuff due to bullet shape. It all tumbles nastily however. |
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I have an SGL-31 and a Saiga IZ-340 that I converted. I have plenty of 7N6 stacked deep. I really want an SLR-104 UR that I can SBR. Maybe some day. In AKs I prefer the 5.45 over the 7.62 and 5.56. I sold my SGL-21 during the panic but I still have a WASR-10 and an SLR-106. |
Not going away from 5.45. Luv that round.
I really can't comment on the non corrosive stuff, but that 7n6 is extremely competent ammo. I just disassemble and throw it all in the shower. Then dry and oil. I do wish more accessories were available for the Tantal. Damn Poles just gotta be individuals.
-Side note- does anyone know of anyone making fsb/gb weld up jobs like Restorit1 used to do? It's my only option due to barrel diameter... |
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Quoted: 5.45. Bustin javelinas all day long. <a href="http://s1251.photobucket.com/user/mannerheim_77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20151226_172356.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh558/mannerheim_77/Mobile%20Uploads/20151226_172356.jpg</a> Non-technical post removed. dryflash3 |
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Is there still good defensive rounds available for relatively cheap? 7n6 was a nasty little round. 7n6 is still widely available online. Just not as cheaply as it used to be. I know it is, but how does the non corrosive, new made stuff stack up to it? The lacquered and sealed Wolf 60gr stuff is just as good without being corrosive. Um, not even close. The air space combined with the steel knocker makes 7n6 what it is....the other stuff is simply lead core. |
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Um, not even close. The air space combined with the steel knocker makes 7n6 what it is....the other stuff is simply lead core. I haven't checked any in the last few years, but almost all of the 60gr commercial stuff had the same air pocket. The difference in weight (53gr vs 60gr) was the substitution of the steel with heavier lead. And it's not the steel that makes it tumble. |
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I haven't checked any in the last few years, but almost all of the 60gr commercial stuff had the same air pocket. The difference in weight (53gr vs 60gr) was the substitution of the steel with heavier lead. And it's not the steel that makes it tumble. Quoted:
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Um, not even close. The air space combined with the steel knocker makes 7n6 what it is....the other stuff is simply lead core. I haven't checked any in the last few years, but almost all of the 60gr commercial stuff had the same air pocket. The difference in weight (53gr vs 60gr) was the substitution of the steel with heavier lead. And it's not the steel that makes it tumble. That's true, the steel doesn't, the air tip and the mass moving forward on impact does...lead, steel doesn't matter......but the steel core does give it the penetration qualities over the lead core stuff. I would surmise its the steel knocker that won't let the 7n6 stay in the gel block. |
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With my 5.45 AK using a zenitco muzzle brake, its feels like turning recoil off with a cheat Same with my CNC Warrior break. The short one I think it's a clone of the DK2 or whatever. It's like shooting a BB gun. Way less recoil than my AR and the AR doesn't kick a lot lol. |
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Looks to me that 7n6 does some pretty aggressive tumbling.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db8XSKi7U7I
Red Army Standard leaves a pretty good wound channel, but to me, it doesn't look nearly as aggressive as 7n6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH_D6aUscWs7N6 would be even more violent/effective if fired from the same barrel length as the Red Army standard. Kinda comparing apples and oranges. almost 500 fps more. |
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