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Posted: 3/10/2016 3:14:39 AM EDT
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I am looking for my second AK an want something with good quality... Am I looking in the right direction for a quality AK in regards to this rifle? Is there something better? Also as far as accessories and furniture go are these different than most AK's as far as fitment? I know yugo's require different stuff do to the way they are built which is why I ask. Thanks for any and all help.
I took out the part asking about price since price checks are specifically prohibited here. dalesimpson |
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That is a great choice. I have a slr-101s which is the same rifle as the one you're looking at. I paid $950 but the sam7r goes for a couple hundred more if that gives a good idea. Very smooth action for an ak which I contribute due to the milled receiver and telescoping recoil assembly. It will take a different stock sets from stamped receiver ak's. RTG has wood Polish milled furniture (minus the grip) that can fit the sam7r with fitting. I have seen that stock set on some members rifles and it looks great IMO but a little awkward with the akm barrel profile and 90 degree gasblock.
So if you want to change furniture make sure to get milled specific. Mag fitment is good on mine also with a variety of combloc, romanian 75rnd drum, yugo bolt hold open mags (yugo m64 mags too) and with a couple magpul mags. |
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Don't mean to thread hijack but which one is the better AK the sgl21 or the sam7r. i know one is stamped and one is milled (this is not a stamped vs milled question) but overall which one is better and why Honestly neither is better than the other and I can say that from experience as I own both. They are both high quality AKs although I find myself shooting the SGL more often. |
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Don't mean to thread hijack but which one is the better AK the sgl21 or the sam7r. i know one is stamped and one is milled (this is not a stamped vs milled question) but overall which one is better and why Well, I've owned a number of both. I've had plenty of issues with the SGL series. I posted all this on this forum as well as others going back to around 2008 I believe. More of the build quality, canted RSB, GB's, FSB's, horribly fitted safety levers/top covers, shallow pinning of the GB. This just wasn't isolated with the SGL20 or 21. I had the same problems with the 31's. I remember when K-Var was blowing these out for $560.00 If you want to get a stamped Arsenal, look at the 107FR series. Out of 11 milled Arsenal's, I've had exactly two issues. One with a canted FSB, and another with a top cover/safety lever fitment issue. I'm not going to harp on the finish of these rifles. I have mine redone in Molyresin. It stands up much better to cleaning solvents, and overall use. Arsenal recommends using only CLP. I'm not going to limit myself to one type just so that the finish doesn't wash away. This is stupid. I'm not saying every SGL out there is bad. I'm sure there are plenty of good one's. I wasn't fortunate to get one. The SAM7R is a fine rifle, and will serve you well! |
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I have a SAM 7 A1R, great rifle. Only issue I have with them is the limited furniture options. Quoted:
I have a SAM 7 A1R, great rifle. Only issue I have with them is the limited furniture options. Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Quoted:
The SAM7R just screams end of the world gun. I love mine. Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. |
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Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. Quoted:
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I have a SAM 7 A1R, great rifle. Only issue I have with them is the limited furniture options. Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Quoted:
The SAM7R just screams end of the world gun. I love mine. Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. Milled AK's won't take standard furniture. They have less space in the rear trunnion and two tangs holding the stock in place, generally speaking. Personally, I prefer the dual-tang design; they take a lot more abuse before starting to wobble.(Wobble can be fixed with epoxy or new screws most of the time) There's also a smaller opening in the front of the receiver where your handguard fits. ETA: The SAM7, and most milled AK's in general, use the 800 Meter rear sight leaf. Figured I'd mention this, as it really limits your options for rear sights. Meprolight has a windage-adjustable tritium "Norinco" variant that fits. Kvar used to sell an adjustable Bulgarian sight, but they've been out of stock on them for the past two years. But there are still plenty of options available. A lot of manufacturers make furniture specifically for milled AK's. For a folding stock, Bonesteel/CNC Warrior makes one, either Galil-style tubular or a M4-type buffer tube. I know Tapco makes a cost-effective stock adapter for M4-style collapsible stocks. There are plenty of instructional videos on Youtube and the AK Operator's Union blog on how to install AK furniture. Most plastic and wood pieces won't just drop-in, they'll need hand-fitting. I think it was Rob Ski who said, "Every AK is different, needs personal touch. And a few good whacks with a hammer." Easy work if you've ever done any kind of carpentry. A rubber mallet, channel locks/vice grips, screwdriver, file, hammer, hand drill, blue/red loctite and sandpaper will be enough for most of the work you're likely to do on an AK. A table vise is nice to have, too. Now these are not mandatory, but they'll save you a lot of sweating and cussing if you intend to work on your rifle. Plus I find that having a few hand tools around the house makes life easier. If I had a nickel for every time I broke down and bought a new tool that saved me time and bloodloss after doing something the hard way, I could retire tomorrow. And whatever you do, DO NOT cheap out on tools. They will break, and you will spend more money replacing them than if you'd just got something decent in the first place. Ask me how I know. 
For video reviews, hit up Youtube. Type in "Sam7" or "SLR-101." Same rifle. |
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Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. Quoted:
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I have a SAM 7 A1R, great rifle. Only issue I have with them is the limited furniture options. Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Quoted:
The SAM7R just screams end of the world gun. I love mine. Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. Those who agree, are those who own one, and I absolutely agree with Mrgunsngear. Awesome rifle, and prefect for a post-apocalyptic world. It's not going to let you down. They do come in three different stock length's. Warsaw, intermediate, and NATO. |
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Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. Quoted:
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I have a SAM 7 A1R, great rifle. Only issue I have with them is the limited furniture options. Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Quoted:
The SAM7R just screams end of the world gun. I love mine. Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. I should have have said, limited furniture options that don't require rifle modification. Many folding mechanisms require chopping the bottom tang. Some stock mounting options allow you to keep the bottom tang but then you have the tang sticking out the bottom and it looks god awful  .
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Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. Quoted:
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I have a SAM 7 A1R, great rifle. Only issue I have with them is the limited furniture options. Care to elaborate on this? Why are the options limited an is it a big deal? Quoted:
The SAM7R just screams end of the world gun. I love mine. Anyone else agree? Do you have a review video on it an if so can I get a link? Thanks. I don't have a review up yet but I will eventually. Bottom line, it feels like the most solid non-custom AK I've ever handled. |
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I will chime in about Arsenal quality even though my SAM7 is the side folder. It is solid and very well made. I have found mine to be very accurate, even by AR standards. I saw it at my LGS and traded in my much loved Springfield TRP Operator for it. Price as listed was $1340.
My SLR 107 is the same quality and also very accurate. You will almost certainly not regret buying an Arsenal. Note the "almost". Nothing is certain in this world. |
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I will chime in about Arsenal quality even though my SAM7 is the side folder. It is solid and very well made. I have found mine to be very accurate, even by AR standards. I saw it at my LGS and traded in my much loved Springfield TRP Operator for it. Price as listed was $1340. My SLR 107 is the same quality and also very accurate. You will almost certainly not regret buying an Arsenal. Note the "almost". Nothing is certain in this world. Have you seen any difference in accuracy between the slr-107 and the sam7? |
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I am still getting used to both.
Last week my son and I went to the range, and one of the rifles I took was the SLR. There was the remnants of a balloon hanging on one of the frames on the 100 yard line, and by remnant I mean enough to be seen with the naked eye but not much more. I challenged my son to see who could cut the string holding the remnant and offered him $10 if he did it. He was shooting his AR and I was shooting the SLR, both iron sights. You do not have to be able to see the string to hit it, since you can guess where the string is by the position of the balloon remnant. Neither one of us hit it, but we had to be close. When I gave up shooting at the string, I started shooting at the remnant and actually nicked it a couple of times. It was popped up into the air and swung by the string. After that I tried hitting the orange pieces of clay birds that were out on the 100 yard berm, and that was actually easy. Before that, I had taken the SAM7SF to the range and shot at paper plates for a while. One group printed at about 1.25 inches at 100 yards. I can't say which is more accurate, but I can say both are very accurate. |
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I will chime in about Arsenal quality even though my SAM7 is the side folder. It is solid and very well made. I have found mine to be very accurate, even by AR standards. I saw it at my LGS and traded in my much loved Springfield TRP Operator for it. Price as listed was $1340. My SLR 107 is the same quality and also very accurate. You will almost certainly not regret buying an Arsenal. Note the "almost". Nothing is certain in this world. Have you seen any difference in accuracy between the slr-107 and the sam7? I have multiples of both and there is no difference in mine. |
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The Arsenal Sam 7sf is the only Ak that I will own! Quoted:
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Bought a Arsenal Sam7SF from Atlantic Firearms 2 weeks ago, just a SOLID gun. I never knew any AK could be that nice and the trigger is a revelation. Honestly it is worth the steep price. Hking The Arsenal Sam 7sf is the only Ak that I will own! If you limit yourself like that, you will miss out on other fine rifles. |
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Bought a Arsenal Sam7SF from Atlantic Firearms 2 weeks ago, just a SOLID gun. I never knew any AK could be that nice and the trigger is a revelation. Honestly it is worth the steep price. Hking The Arsenal Sam 7sf is the only Ak that I will own! If you limit yourself like that, you will miss out on other fine rifles. For me....it's not about missing out on other fine rifles. It's a cost issue. I made a good choice for the one AK that I wanted to have. |
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For me....it's not about missing out on other fine rifles. It's a cost issue. I made a good choice for the one AK that I wanted to have. Quoted:
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Bought a Arsenal Sam7SF from Atlantic Firearms 2 weeks ago, just a SOLID gun. I never knew any AK could be that nice and the trigger is a revelation. Honestly it is worth the steep price. Hking The Arsenal Sam 7sf is the only Ak that I will own! If you limit yourself like that, you will miss out on other fine rifles. For me....it's not about missing out on other fine rifles. It's a cost issue. I made a good choice for the one AK that I wanted to have. Then, good choice! I think to get better you would have to spend much more on custom. |
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I will chime in about Arsenal quality even though my SAM7 is the side folder. It is solid and very well made. I have found mine to be very accurate, even by AR standards. I saw it at my LGS and traded in my much loved Springfield TRP Operator for it. Price as listed was $1340. My SLR 107 is the same quality and also very accurate. You will almost certainly not regret buying an Arsenal. Note the "almost". Nothing is certain in this world. Have you seen any difference in accuracy between the slr-107 and the sam7? I own an slr-101r. Paid $500 11 years ago... I would say with wolf ammo it gets 2/3 the groups any other ak i own and i own a few. My npap df is second best in terms of accuracy. |
| One of the biggest +'s for me with the SAM7R variants is the barrel profile and gas block. I don't this ever mentioned, but IMO the combination of a milled receiver with AKM profile barrel and components makes it a really well balanced gun. While stamped AK's are lighter, the non-classic SAM7's really don't feel that much heavier. |
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