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Posted: 3/7/2016 11:37:43 PM EDT
| Is there any reason why my first should not be a Century Arms Zhukov RAS-47? |
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The RAS-47 has some pros and cons.
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After looking at all of the pros & cons, I decided not to get one. That said, I bought a C39V2, which has all of the same cons minus the cast trunnions. |
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First? I'd go WASR, shoot it a bit/a lot, and then figure out what - if anything - you want to change. This;' go with a WASR-10 and shoot it till it falls apart, learn to become familiar with the weapon; once you're comfortable, then go up a notch with a more expensive rifle. I started with a Norinco MAK90 and honestly, don't want anything else. 
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I have 3 cheapish AKs. WASR, yugo underfolder, and a rear converted Saiga. Of those, by far my favorite is the Saiga. Those are harder to come by these days because politics.
When I bought my first AK (the WASR) I only had ARs and I just got one because I wanted to try it out. Now I really like the. I wish I would have taken all the money I spent on these three rifles and gotten an Arsenal from the get go. That said, I just put my 50% deposit down for a Rifle Dynamics RD703. Now I will patiently wait 8-10 months... |
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A couple of people have suggested I get a WASR for my first AK. Why is that? Do they have a forge trunnion?
I have wanted an AK47 for a while now. But, every time I look at one, hold one, I like the way they look but I do not like the way they feel. I do not like the stock, grip, trigger, or mag release. I know I could easily change the stock. I am not sure about the rest. I do worry about the cast trunnion on the RAS47. But, I really like the stock, grip, mag release, trigger, fit and finish, and especially the extended magpul hand guard. Is the RAS47 a piece of garbage because of the cast trunnion? What do WASRs have? Thanks for the replies so far. I am trying to take it all in! |
| Wasr, o-pap, n-pap. With the recent issues with ddi or should I say perceived issues, the risk or canted sights on an slr etc those three are the best value in my opinion. I am very interested in the WBP rifle rob is testing, if I could have my pick it would be the DAKM 4150 but those are as rare as a winning lottery ticket in my hands. The wasr is great because it allows you to fit any standard akm part, has a CHF chrome lined barrel, the yugo guns (pap) take specific hand guards and stocks, have a CHF barrel that is not chrome lined but that does not bother me at all. The pistol grip is the same as any other akm rifle. This used to be a bigger deal but now there are lots of parts for the yugo guns. One thing I like about the PAP's is they use a heavier profile barrel, some might see this a negative due to weight though. The o-pap also uses a 1.5mm receiver in place of the standard 1mm receiver found on the wasr and n-pap. |
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A couple of people have suggested I get a WASR for my first AK. Why is that? Do they have a forge trunnion? I have wanted an AK47 for a while now. But, every time I look at one, hold one, I like the way they look but I do not like the way they feel. I do not like the stock, grip, trigger, or mag release. I know I could easily change the stock. I am not sure about the rest. I do worry about the cast trunnion on the RAS47. But, I really like the stock, grip, mag release, trigger, fit and finish, and especially the extended magpul hand guard. Is the RAS47 a piece of garbage because of the cast trunnion? What do WASRs have? Thanks for the replies so far. I am trying to take it all in! Hmm...definitely an AR guy it would seem lol... Stick to imported AK's for several reasons. First and foremost, they're manufactured properly with properly forged front trunnions. Second, they will most likely appreciate in value over time, whereas American AK's won't. Third, The RAS is a rather new product to the market with no real long term track record, and already has a spotty to dubious short term record (cast trunnions, improperly heat treated batches)...not to mention it doesn't have a proper bayonet lug nor cleaning rod. IMO if you're really concerned with fit and finish that much, look at Arsenals, Yugo PAPs such as the Opap in particular, and Veprs, Saigas, DDI's, Definitive Arms, etc. Century all american builds I'd avoid if I were you... If price is a huge concern and that's the other primary reason you're looking at the RAS, go with a WASR. Otherwise if price isn't a worry, get an Arsenal and be done... |
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I do like the SAM7R! It is pricey! (edited to say SAM7R) Quoted:
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Stamped rifle-107FR Milled rifle-SAM7R I do like the SAM7R! It is pricey! (edited to say SAM7R) In the last 25 years or so I've owned over 60 AK's. Hands down, the SAM7R is worth the price of admission. Unfortunately, they do keep going up. In 2007 I purchased two NIB for $665.00 each. My current one was $1197.00 If I could only own one AK, the SAM7R would be it! Forged receiver, cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel, optics mount, etc. Outstanding rifle. |
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A couple of people have suggested I get a WASR for my first AK. Why is that? Do they have a forge trunnion? I have wanted an AK47 for a while now. But, every time I look at one, hold one, I like the way they look but I do not like the way they feel. I do not like the stock, grip, trigger, or mag release. I know I could easily change the stock. I am not sure about the rest. I do worry about the cast trunnion on the RAS47. But, I really like the stock, grip, mag release, trigger, fit and finish, and especially the extended magpul hand guard. Is the RAS47 a piece of garbage because of the cast trunnion? What do WASRs have? Thanks for the replies so far. I am trying to take it all in! The WASR is the best crossroads between proven reliability and price. The WASR is manufactured on real AKM tooling and production methods used since the 1960s, and are pretty much as close as you will get to a Soviet AKM from a historical standpoint - minus a couple nitpicky differences like mag well dimples. Sure there are nicer AKs still manufactured on real combloc tooling and production methods, but at much additional cost - the PAP series rifles are the only rifles that compete with the WASR in this price range. Personally I would like to ask again what pointed you towards the RAS? They are known for having several major issues as of right now (heat treating of bolt & carrier) plus cast trunnions that have several documented failures. I'm just curious why & how you ended up there - is there some recent gun magazine article about them? |
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No reason at all, please do, warranty work creates jobs, guys in IT wouldn't have squat to do if it weren't for viruses. Quoted:
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Is there any reason why my first should not be a Century Arms Zhukov RAS-47? No reason at all, please do, warranty work creates jobs, guys in IT wouldn't have squat to do if it weren't for viruses. 
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A couple of people have suggested I get a WASR for my first AK. Why is that? Do they have a forge trunnion? I have wanted an AK47 for a while now. But, every time I look at one, hold one, I like the way they look but I do not like the way they feel. I do not like the stock, grip, trigger, or mag release. I know I could easily change the stock. I am not sure about the rest. I do worry about the cast trunnion on the RAS47. But, I really like the stock, grip, mag release, trigger, fit and finish, and especially the extended magpul hand guard. Is the RAS47 a piece of garbage because of the cast trunnion? What do WASRs have? Thanks for the replies so far. I am trying to take it all in! The WASR because it is made in a miItary arsenal with proper military tooling and parts. The Yugo/Serbian rifles (NPAP and OPAP) are much nicer but because they're based on a Yugo pattern (i.e. not the standard AKM pattern) you'll have a harder time finding accessories/upgrade parts down the line. Not a big issue if you know that you're going to keep the rifle stock, but since it's your first AK you likely won't be doing that (or at the very least don't know that yet). That said, I'll second the recommendation for the RH10. As stated, it's essentially a WASR with a combination gas block/front sight. These are pretty much the last of what used to be imported and sold by M+M as the M10-762. Great light and handy rifles. If you're not married to traditional AK appearances, this is a solid recommendation. |
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There is a wide selection of AK rifles on the market , You need to ask yourself some basic questions
Why are you buying the gun ? What will you use it for ? What features do you like or need to fulfill your intended purpose ? What is your reasonable budget ? Each month the wind changes direction on the internet and the crowd either likes or dislikes a specific item, It has gone on like this for years . I would pay more attention to your specific needs and less attention to the way the wind is blowing that month. You do not need to spend an Arm & Leg to get a solid gun, WASR, PAPS, DDI , HIGH STANDARD etc are all affordable rifles .Here are few pics below .jpg)
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Okay, so there are good reasons not to buy a RAS47.
Based on the information from this thread I will continue to look at a variety of AKs at the LGSs to see what I like. I now know that I can easily change the furniture and trigger on an AK. I also have a better idea on what to look for and watch out for on WASR. Thanks for all of your help. |
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