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Posted: 2/20/2016 11:05:44 AM EDT
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Is the general consensus is that if you replace the bcg on a c39v2 then you you have a solid AK, or are there other known issues with these guns?
Really love the feel and appearance of the C39, more so than the Arsenal, wasr exc...that i've shouldered, just scared away with the negative talk of soft carriers. |
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I have 3. No issues with any of them, and I have found no need to replace anything. Mine are very well made, accurate, and nothing is canted. I cannot imagine replacing any of them with a WASR.
Try buying one if you want and then see if the bolt/bolt carrier needs to be replaced. America should stick to ARs because that is what we know how to do? What a load of horseshit. |
| I don’t believe that they're still marking the bolt carriers. That was done after the soft batch, but subsequent batches no longer had the marking from what I've read. This soft bolt issue appears to be way overblown. There were a few people that posted actual problems, followed by a huge surge of Century haters propagating it. I've read a number of very recent threads from people who bought a new bcg with their C39V2 and then never wound up using it. I planned on doing that too, but decided to just buy the rifle and shoot it. |
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I posted the following in a similar thread on Akfiles...
Just want to summarize my understanding of what I've gathered from this thread and several others that I've recently read on the C39v2: Pros: * While being a bit heavy, the milled and nitrided receivers are solid / durable. * The nitrided Green Mountain barrels have proven to be accurate and durable. * The Century RAK trigger is good. * Above average accuracy. * Quality Wolff springs. * Good overall build quality / fit and finish. * Ron Cheney at Battlefield Las Vegas reported that their three first gen C39s (which I believe were converted to FA) went 50-60k rounds before being pulled. The original unlined / non-nitrided barrels started keyholing after 50-60k rounds but no other reported issues. They planned to replace the barrels and put them back in service. * Yeager reports about 50k rounds through their test rifle. I understand that some dispute the actual round count but they also have no proof that it's not true. * Rob Ski had about 5k trouble free rounds through his test C39v2 (which included a fair amount of abuse) before Century repossessed it. * Vast majority of owners report no issues. Some will detractors will say it's due to a lack of high volume shooting but that can be said of any firearm. Cons: * Some bolts and bolt carriers (likely consistent with Century's reported 3 or 4 percent return rate) have bad heat treatment resulting in accelerated wear / peening which Century is addressing under warranty regardless of time frame and owner. Additionally / alternately, owners can install a replacement bolt / bolt carrier (assuming it's correctly headspaced). * Cast sight blocks which have not caused any issues. I'm I missing / misstating anything? |
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I posted the following in a similar thread on Akfiles... Just want to summarize my understanding of what I've gathered from this thread and several others that I've recently read on the C39v2: Pros: * While being a bit heavy, the milled and nitrided receivers are solid / durable. * The nitrided Green Mountain barrels have proven to be accurate and durable. * The Century RAK trigger is good. * Above average accuracy. * Quality Wolff springs. * Good overall build quality / fit and finish. * Ron Cheney at Battlefield Las Vegas reported that their three first gen C39s (which I believe were converted to FA) went 50-60k rounds before being pulled. The original unlined / non-nitrided barrels started keyholing after 50-60k rounds but no other reported issues. They planned to replace the barrels and put them back in service. * Yeager reports about 50k rounds through their test rifle. I understand that some dispute the actual round count but they also have no proof that it's not true. * Rob Ski had about 5k trouble free rounds through his test C39v2 (which included a fair amount of abuse) before Century repossessed it. * Vast majority of owners report no issues. Some will detractors will say it's due to a lack of high volume shooting but that can be said of any firearm. Cons: * Some bolts and bolt carriers (likely consistent with Century's reported 3 or 4 percent return rate) have bad heat treatment resulting in accelerated wear / peening which Century is addressing under warranty regardless of time frame and owner. Additionally / alternately, owners can install a replacement bolt / bolt carrier (assuming it's correctly headspaced). * Cast sight blocks which have not caused any issues. I'm I missing / misstating anything? You forgot to list no cleaning rod/bayonet lug under the cons. 
Personally, I couldn't care less. Thanks for the replies everyone. |
| Have owned various AK's over the years ranging in quality from an SAR-2 to a couple of Krebs. I like the C39V2 fine. Sure, I'd be happier without the mystery meat BCG, but it has held up fine so far. Gun shoots well, pretty good accuracy, no malfunctions. I will say that the receiver is probably the nicest I've seen, for whatever that's worth. |
| Where are people finding the Polish carriers and bolts to replace the stock group with? All the post I've seen of people using them say the polish 1960 is the one that will run in it but I can't find them in stock anywhere? I'd love to have one as a spare . I've also read that the recoil spring assembly must be replaced as well to run the polish carrier. |
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You forgot to list no cleaning rod/bayonet lug under the cons.
Personally, I couldn't care less. Thanks for the replies everyone. Quoted:
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I posted the following in a similar thread on Akfiles... Just want to summarize my understanding of what I've gathered from this thread and several others that I've recently read on the C39v2: Pros: * While being a bit heavy, the milled and nitrided receivers are solid / durable. * The nitrided Green Mountain barrels have proven to be accurate and durable. * The Century RAK trigger is good. * Above average accuracy. * Quality Wolff springs. * Good overall build quality / fit and finish. * Ron Cheney at Battlefield Las Vegas reported that their three first gen C39s (which I believe were converted to FA) went 50-60k rounds before being pulled. The original unlined / non-nitrided barrels started keyholing after 50-60k rounds but no other reported issues. They planned to replace the barrels and put them back in service. * Yeager reports about 50k rounds through their test rifle. I understand that some dispute the actual round count but they also have no proof that it's not true. * Rob Ski had about 5k trouble free rounds through his test C39v2 (which included a fair amount of abuse) before Century repossessed it. * Vast majority of owners report no issues. Some will detractors will say it's due to a lack of high volume shooting but that can be said of any firearm. Cons: * Some bolts and bolt carriers (likely consistent with Century's reported 3 or 4 percent return rate) have bad heat treatment resulting in accelerated wear / peening which Century is addressing under warranty regardless of time frame and owner. Additionally / alternately, owners can install a replacement bolt / bolt carrier (assuming it's correctly headspaced). * Cast sight blocks which have not caused any issues. I'm I missing / misstating anything? You forgot to list no cleaning rod/bayonet lug under the cons.
Personally, I couldn't care less. Thanks for the replies everyone. I live in NJ so the lack of a bayonet lug is actually a positive. Other than giving it a bit more of a traditional look, I really don't care about it not having a cleaning rod. |
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I would hold off until they get things straightened out. And remember because of the issues, the resale value will be lower than others. Actually I've done very well selling mine. LGS's can't get them or keep them... Hopefully there will be some announcements coming with the next overhaul to end the soft metal issues. We'll see... |
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Is the general consensus is that if you replace the bcg on a c39v2 then you you have a solid AK, or are there other known issues with these guns? Really love the feel and appearance of the C39, more so than the Arsenal, wasr exc...that i've shouldered, just scared away with the negative talk of soft carriers. Well, the only parts that get criticized, you just mentioned replacing. Some folks gonna hate anything US Made, some gonna hate anything Century made, and well if you get a US made Century, you better have thick skin. 
Some criticism is pure speculation. For example, the initial carrier concern was with the lightening cuts and I haven't heard of a carrier failing these. Century has claimed they have a 3-4% return for repair rate which, if true, leads me to believe the talk of issues is more common than actual issues. |
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Actually I've done very well selling mine. LGS's can't get them or keep them... Hopefully there will be some announcements coming with the next overhaul to end the soft metal issues. We'll see... Quoted:
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I would hold off until they get things straightened out. And remember because of the issues, the resale value will be lower than others. Actually I've done very well selling mine. LGS's can't get them or keep them... Hopefully there will be some announcements coming with the next overhaul to end the soft metal issues. We'll see... Unwitting buyers. Example - People are still buy IO rifles. |
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Some folks gonna hate anything US Made, some gonna hate anything Century made, and well if you get a US made Century, you better have thick skin. Some criticism is pure speculation. For example, the initial carrier concern was with the lightening cuts and I haven't heard of a carrier failing these. Century has claimed they have a 3-4% return for repair rate which, if true, leads me to believe the talk of issues is more common than actual issues. I don't think it's necessarily hate for Century and certainly not hate for anything made in the USA. Talking about known issues with a particular item is a good way to inform new/uninformed potential buyers of what has or could happen before they spend their hard earned money. I know I appreciate hearing things like that. Should we not talk about the issues with IO or Lancaster or WW, etc? I certainly don't hate Century. They have done more good for the US firearms industry/hobby than pretty much any other company. |
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I don't think it's necessarily hate for Century and certainly not hate for anything made in the USA. Talking about known issues with a particular item is a good way to inform new/uninformed potential buyers of what has or could happen before they spend their hard earned money. I know I appreciate hearing things like that. Should we not talk about the issues with IO or Lancaster or WW, etc? I certainly don't hate Century. They have done more good for the US firearms industry/hobby than pretty much any other company. Quoted:
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Some folks gonna hate anything US Made, some gonna hate anything Century made, and well if you get a US made Century, you better have thick skin. Some criticism is pure speculation. For example, the initial carrier concern was with the lightening cuts and I haven't heard of a carrier failing these. Century has claimed they have a 3-4% return for repair rate which, if true, leads me to believe the talk of issues is more common than actual issues. I don't think it's necessarily hate for Century and certainly not hate for anything made in the USA. Talking about known issues with a particular item is a good way to inform new/uninformed potential buyers of what has or could happen before they spend their hard earned money. I know I appreciate hearing things like that. Should we not talk about the issues with IO or Lancaster or WW, etc? I certainly don't hate Century. They have done more good for the US firearms industry/hobby than pretty much any other company. You're not the dude I'm talking about. You're usually cordial and explain stuff rather than throwing a blanket statement like "Their a piece of shit" 
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"Its OK IF".....really that's the deal with US manufactured AK's. C39, RAS47, IO ...they all fall short of even a WASR. I was, and am of the opinion the US should just stick to AR's....its what we know how to do. "It's OK IF..." applies to WASRs and Arsenals and any imported AK, really. That's a poor justification, and your assertion that RAS47s and C39s "fall short of even a WASR" is equally baseless. I'm a firm believer that factory arsenal AKs > US AKs all things being equal, but things are not always equal. |
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"It's OK IF..." applies to WASRs and Arsenals and any imported AK, really. That's a poor justification, and your assertion that RAS47s and C39s "fall short of even a WASR" is equally baseless. I'm a firm believer that factory arsenal AKs > US AKs all things being equal, but things are not always equal. Quoted:
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"Its OK IF".....really that's the deal with US manufactured AK's. C39, RAS47, IO ...they all fall short of even a WASR. I was, and am of the opinion the US should just stick to AR's....its what we know how to do. "It's OK IF..." applies to WASRs and Arsenals and any imported AK, really. That's a poor justification, and your assertion that RAS47s and C39s "fall short of even a WASR" is equally baseless. I'm a firm believer that factory arsenal AKs > US AKs all things being equal, but things are not always equal. Agreed. |
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After reading all the negative commentary about the Century AKs, I finally decided to buy...
A Century AK. 
I ordered a C39V2 from Atlantic a couple weeks ago and got it on Monday. I haven't shot it yet, so for all I know I might have a marshmallow bolt, but I'm incredibly impressed with how the gun looks. The fit and finish is fantastic. It almost feels "AR-ish" to me because I'm used to AKs being a bit sloppy and cheap. Ultimately I decided that I wanted a milled receiver and the accuracy of the Green Mountain barrel. Add to that the really nice looking furniture on the C39V2 and I was willing to take a chance. Even if I have to replace the bolt & carrier, my total investment is still less than other milled AKs that still may not have the same quality barrel. When I factored in the realization that there are only a handful of people with legitimate bolt problems, it made the decision easier. |
But damn it was worth it, had a real harpy, Texans are pretty prone to sticking their junk in crazy.
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After reading all the negative commentary about the Century AKs, I finally decided to buy... A Century AK.
I ordered a C39V2 from Atlantic a couple weeks ago and got it on Monday. I haven't shot it yet, so for all I know I might have a marshmallow bolt, but I'm incredibly impressed with how the gun looks. The fit and finish is fantastic. It almost feels "AR-ish" to me because I'm used to AKs being a bit sloppy and cheap. Ultimately I decided that I wanted a milled receiver and the accuracy of the Green Mountain barrel. Add to that the really nice looking furniture on the C39V2 and I was willing to take a chance. Even if I have to replace the bolt & carrier, my total investment is still less than other milled AKs that still may not have the same quality barrel. When I factored in the realization that there are only a handful of people with legitimate bolt problems, it made the decision easier. I think you will be happy with the C39V2, the folks who actually own them are all pretty happy with them, or the vast majority that I've met are. |
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Not sure if anybody cares but I contacted Century via email about obtaining a replacement carrier and bolt.
Here is their response: Good Afternoon Jason, We do not sell the bolts and carriers for these rifles as individual items. Its hard to say for sure if another carrier will work as there is no "mil-spec" for AK's as there are for AR's and M16's. If I can be of further assistance please let me know. |
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I bought one. I'm an AR guy. Decided to buy an Ak before Hillary takes over.
I don't understand all the people bashing this gun. The fit and finish is really nice. People saying it is a piece of crap ? I'd have to say they are clueless. Buy you one, it's a nice rifle for $750. |
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Before buying the POS cut up, & hollowed out Century carrier, I would use this. GARY http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/AK47-BOLT-CARRIER-NEW-159p1577.htm It'll take 3 weeks, The guy ships them from Warsaw. Polish Milled Carrier |
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I bought one. I'm an AR guy. Decided to buy an Ak before Hillary takes over. I don't understand all the people bashing this gun. The fit and finish is really nice. People saying it is a piece of crap ? I'd have to say they are clueless. Buy you one, it's a nice rifle for $750. I hate it so much I bought 4 of them over the past few years... |
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I bought one. I'm an AR guy. Decided to buy an Ak before Hillary takes over. I don't understand all the people bashing this gun. The fit and finish is really nice. People saying it is a piece of crap ? I'd have to say they are clueless. Buy you one, it's a nice rifle for $750. There are those who have had issues with their C39V2 rifles, and those issues get trumpeted by others. Most of the problems are valid and not just complaining. I am one who has had no problems with mine, and I have made it very clear how much I like them. In the ranking of really great deals, the OPAP is the best. After that, it is a toss up between the C39V2 and the WASR. Just my uneducated opinion. |
| Had a problem with my C39V2 yesterday that I have not heard of yet. Put a few rounds through it at the range and was hitting low. Checked the rear sight, and the elevation adjustment was loose on the rear sight, just kind of sliding around. Turns out the end of it broke off in my safe, found the spring and right side of it there yesterday. Must have been from the rifles leaning on each other in the safe. Tim |
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