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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:55:50 PM EDT
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The AK is so unique that cost does not imply quality and weirdly they are imported and somewhat destroyed then rebuilt using either good parts or garbage. I can't really tell the difference on a website. I don't even think I could tell the difference on an AK in person.
I didn't really want a war torn used AK. I didn't want new quality imported AK to be destroyed only to be rebuilt with substandard parts too. Is this any good ?C39v2 Is the new Kalashnikov USA (concern clone) ok? I'm into the classic wood look. Also I'm tall and the one I rented would just almost pop me in the face from recoil when I'm hunched down to use the sites. I think my LOP is 15.5" on a shotgun. |
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New imports aren't "destroyed then rebuilt using substandard parts" unless your referring to de-milled parts kits. Factory-new imports are converted by adding US-made parts to make them 922r compliant, but generally these new parts are 1) used sparingly, 2) non-critical parts, or 3) not substandard. A typical imported rifle has its furniture, muzzle device, gas piston, and FCG replaced with US parts. Of those, the FCG is the most critical but in most cases the U.S.-manufactured FCG is better than the factory set it replaces.
The C39v2 appears to be a fine rifle and their owners seem to love them. I don't know that anyone has ever described them as "high end" but, then again, most people use that terms loosely and tend to tie it to price. The Kalashnikov USA rifles are just partially converted Saiga imports, and a pretty basic conversion at that. I'd steer clear of them as your first AK unless you want to learn how to build an AK or just have to have a Russian-made rifle. |
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What does "high end" mean to you? If you can afford it/justify the price take a look at pre-ban Valmets. They are unique, and I'm pretty sure they had a longer length of pull than Comm block AKs. Take a look at the M-76. Krebs and rifle dynamics aren't out of the question..... except rifle dynamics doesn't seem to offer wood, and krebs only has one wooden model which is used and on consignment on his site. Neither of the big names in high end seem to care about wood from their offerings. High end to me mean very reliable, somewhat accurate (at least not out of line for an AK), and a great level of finish. I want my first AK to have wood. It may be cheesy but it reminds me of the AKs my childhood best friend's father used to show me. He had this Russian and Nazi collection of firearms and other memorabilia. If I ever get a second one it would be a mount friendly plastic stock with a rail for mounting a lights and a scope. |
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Kalash USA is having some probmes atm... i'd get a Arsenal SLR-107 Arsenal SLR-107 isn't in available wood. I'm hunting pre-ban but I keep getting used rifle auction listings which are expired. I was hoping for new. What kind of problems is Kalash USA having? |
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New imports aren't "destroyed then rebuilt using substandard parts" unless your referring to de-milled parts kits. Factory-new imports are converted by adding US-made parts to make them 922r compliant, but generally these new parts are 1) used sparingly, 2) non-critical parts, or 3) not substandard. A typical imported rifle has its furniture, muzzle device, gas piston, and FCG replaced with US parts. Of those, the FCG is the most critical but in most cases the U.S.-manufactured FCG is better than the factory set it replaces. The C39v2 appears to be a fine rifle and their owners seem to love them. I don't know that anyone has ever described them as "high end" but, then again, most people use that terms loosely and tend to tie it to price. The Kalashnikov USA rifles are just partially converted Saiga imports, and a pretty basic conversion at that. I'd steer clear of them as your first AK unless you want to learn how to build an AK or just have to have a Russian-made rifle. I don't know what I'm referring to actually. I read so much online I don't know what to believe. I've read 922r converters are lesser than the original factory components they replace. Most people think 1,000 is too much to spend on an american made AK so it's compared as nice with the exception of a missing cleaning rod. That really bothers online reviewers. |
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Ignoring the fact that it's easy to bolt on wood furniture to an ak, If I had lots of free money I'd got to the rifle dynamics build class. They were building off of polish kits with wood furniture, plus you know, actually making the rifle which is cool.
Anyways back on topic, Definitive Arms 4150 |
I have shot and owned many many aks many... Fantastic guns... If your budget is 300-600 get a wasr if it's 900-1200 get a slr107 or slr of your caleber preference... If you want a customs I would go Krebs I love every gun I have that he has tuned up... Also rifle dynamics and difinitive arms are quality forsure... Pretty much decide what you are looking to spend then decide if you want it all tuned up new school ak or keeping it classic.. Check out Atlantic Firearms also... Good company and have a great selection of aks... Happy hunting and keep us posted on what you decide on...
Ran the crap outta my Krebs today In the 11 deg November air.... Amazing gun.. 
Also one of the Krebs playing in the mud at my three gun shoot I put on this fall 
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Arsenal SLR-107 isn't in available wood. I'm hunting pre-ban but I keep getting used rifle auction listings which are expired. I was hoping for new. What kind of problems is Kalash USA having? Quoted:
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Kalash USA is having some probmes atm... i'd get a Arsenal SLR-107 Arsenal SLR-107 isn't in available wood. I'm hunting pre-ban but I keep getting used rifle auction listings which are expired. I was hoping for new. What kind of problems is Kalash USA having? Get a wood handguard set. 5 minute install. 
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https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/russian-rak-ak47-classic-detail.html?Itemid=0
Is this one considered any good? |
| Rod is the cleaning rod that hoes with the cleaning kit in the stock.. I am getting the red just because I think it is beautiful... It is just different color stain so nothing fancy... Some aks don't come with the. Cleaning rod just because most don't care I think it is a essential peice of a ak.... But that is just my $0.02..... Seriously if you get one of these you got to post pics...there is like three Wyoming guys watching this thread getting excited for you haha getting your first ak is a big day... |
I just ordered from Atlantic. I hope they have a decent finish. If people complain about arsenal I can only imagine what I've got myself into 
Orange or red was a tough call. Maybe I need both We'll see how well the first one works out for me. I thought I'd only want one with wood furniture, maybe a second with poly. Now I'm OCD over red and orange lol.
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Personally I would not pay anywhere near the asking price for those converted Saigas at Atlantic. They are nice, but will not command the value in later years that a genuine Arsenal SGL/SLR would. If arsenal made a wooden AK I would have bought it instead. If I want a plastic furniture AK I'll definitely get one from Arsenal, Krebs, or Rifle Dynamics. Are Saigas that bad? I'm asking because I don't know....... I just saw Russian writings on the AK along with pretty wood, and you guys also said Atlantic is very reputable. For me this AK will be sort of a safe queen/luxury shooter hybrid and not an investment piece. |
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A factory Remington 870 is about $400, and if Wilson Combat rebuilt an 870 it would be about $1500. A Remington 870 has earned a great reputation to be inexpensive and reliable which makes it a popular weapon to build from.
What is truly a huge waste of money is a cabot 1911, I own 2. I'll never see any resale on those. |
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A factory Remington 870 is about $400, and if Wilson Combat rebuilt an 870 it would be about $1500. A Remington 870 has earned a great reputation to be inexpensive and reliable which makes it a popular weapon to build from. What is truly a huge waste of money is a cabot 1911, I own 2. I'll never see any resale on those. Atlantic doesn't say who converted them, certainly nobody with name recognition like Wilson or Cabot, and for what it's worth a similar conversion of a Saiga is only a couple hundred bucks over the base price, assuming you have the tools and skill to do it. Saigas are great AKs, all I'm saying if you're going to spend 1.5k on one, it better also say "Arsenal'" on it somewhere, and come with a LOT of extras. |
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Vepr is the best quality-wise by a good bit in stock format. DDI makes nice rifles. Beyond those expect to pay an extra 1000 for a "custom" rifle (translation: "custom"=somebody bolted a few aftermarket parts to a stock gun and got some reviewers to say it's the be-all end-all of AK's).
If you need 15 inches of LOP, good way is to use an adapter to be able to use an AR stock, the adapters usually add up to an inch extra length, then throw on a good fixed stock like the Magpul rifle stock, or the fixed carbine stock with an extra thick buttpad, I got right at 15.5 IIRC using a Canis adapter on a Vepr with a Magpul rifle stock. |
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$1,339. for an AK. This must be one of the 7 signs that the world is coming to an end.
I really don't see any significant quality difference that would justify the price difference between a WASR 10 and an Arsenal. I had 2 Arsenals( bought when they cost $600) and an old Polish kit built on an OhioOrd stamped receiver. Sold all 3. Due to BRD, I recently bought a WASR10 for $ 575.Ouch! If I didn't previously own Arsenals, I might have bought into the $1000 AK bullshit. My Arsenals were really $400 guns. So, at $ 1,339, it really must be the end of the world. My recommendation is that you overpay for an AKM by buying a WASR10 for $575. Paint it with Brownells Alumahyde II to satisfy your artistic and aesthetic needs. (It's the best and easiest spray paint). Shoot it. Shoot it some more. You'll never wear it out and it shoots like every other AK regardless of price. Allow it 200 rounds to smooth out. I think AKs are great and seriously underrated. My WASR10 hits good at 300 yards. At $300, it's the perfect AK |
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If arsenal made a wooden AK I would have bought it instead. If I want a plastic furniture AK I'll definitely get one from Arsenal, Krebs, or Rifle Dynamics. Are Saigas that bad? I'm asking because I don't know....... I just saw Russian writings on the AK along with pretty wood, and you guys also said Atlantic is very reputable. For me this AK will be sort of a safe queen/luxury shooter hybrid and not an investment piece. Quoted:
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Personally I would not pay anywhere near the asking price for those converted Saigas at Atlantic. They are nice, but will not command the value in later years that a genuine Arsenal SGL/SLR would. If arsenal made a wooden AK I would have bought it instead. If I want a plastic furniture AK I'll definitely get one from Arsenal, Krebs, or Rifle Dynamics. Are Saigas that bad? I'm asking because I don't know....... I just saw Russian writings on the AK along with pretty wood, and you guys also said Atlantic is very reputable. For me this AK will be sort of a safe queen/luxury shooter hybrid and not an investment piece. Your good to go brother it will be a fine peice and one that you can hand Down to future generations... You gotta take comments on arfcom with a smile and a beer... Some are rather funny... I have been told my aks are shit and my augs are crap all because a tattoo was showing in a pic made me giggle getting peoples panties in a bunch....if you don't like her shoot me a im and I'll buy it from you to add to the safe.. So just smile and enjoy you got a nice ak coming.... Post up pics when your Russian lady arrives.. 
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$1,339. for an AK. This must be one of the 7 signs that the world is coming to an end. I really don't see any significant quality difference that would justify the price difference between a WASR 10 and an Arsenal. I had 2 Arsenals( bought when they cost $600) and an old Polish kit built on an OhioOrd stamped receiver. Sold all 3. Recently bought a WASR10 for $ 575.Ouch! Hits fine at 300 yards. They all did. Realistically, they were all $300 guns. They still are. So, at $ 1,339, it really must be the end of the world. Buy a WASR10. Paint it. Shoot it. +1, I have one and did exactly that, it's a great rifle and never fails me. WASR's are great too in that pretty much everything aftermarket works on a WASR, re-doing mine now furniture wise and so far it's turning out great. Scored a used troy front handguard and just custom cut an MD arms molot grip to direct fit for a forward vert grip, added a QD socket and modded a romy sling with a front QD swivel instead of the clip etc. Here it is with previous furniture: 
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I ordered a couple orange bakelite mags to go with my new orange wood AK. The only problem is that FedEx seemed to have lost the directions to my house. 
For some reason they think the quickest way from Delaware to North Carolina is through Illinois! It was supposed to arrive at my FFL on Thursday but they updated it to Monday. Can't wait. BTW how does one make the sling reverse for southpaws? I'm thinking of getting an extra sling mount for the opposite side of my stock. I see that some loop a wire through between the barrel and piston for the sling in the front. Is there a way to mount the front sling bracket in reverse? Or do I need a wire too? How does that work for plastic AK stocks? |
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