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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:56:59 AM EDT
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What if we all stopped buying any overpriced guns, ammo and mags till the prices came down to nearly "normal" prices?
Reverse the current supply and demand till levels are back to normal. Crazy talk? |
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What if we all stopped buying any overpriced guns, ammo and mags till the prices came down to nearly "normal" prices? Reverse the current supply and demand till levels are back to normal. Crazy talk? What IS normal? Who decides that a steel magazine should be $10? Perhaps $2 like several years ago? Supply and demand my friend. That's what a free market aught to be. Market sets the price. You're doing your part by resisting to pay the higher price. If everyone did what you're proposing, then prices would come down. If we controlled everyone so that no one would buy anything until the price of a mag went under $5, you can force prices that way. But then at some point, the need (demand) will take over because there's someone that needs it more than the next guy. Socialists would simply legislate the price to be fixed, regardless of whatever market forces are in effect. Is that what you want? Really? |
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What if we all stopped buying any overpriced guns, ammo and mags till the prices came down to nearly "normal" prices? Reverse the current supply and demand till levels are back to normal. Crazy talk? What IS normal? Who decides that a steel magazine should be $10? Perhaps $2 like several years ago? Supply and demand my friend. That's what a free market aught to be. Market sets the price. You're doing your part by resisting to pay the higher price. If everyone did what you're proposing, then prices would come down. If we controlled everyone so that no one would buy anything until the price of a mag went under $5, you can force prices that way. But then at some point, the need (demand) will take over because there's someone that needs it more than the next guy. Socialists would simply legislate the price to be fixed, regardless of whatever market forces are in effect. Is that what you want? Really? No, I don't want to control any thing. Got too many people ho want do do that. And I absolutely agree, the free market is the only way. I'm suggesting taking a step back, take another look at things. $50-$60 for Tapco mags? They are still in business and will be cranking them out as fast as possible. And good for them. But there is no reason to pay that price. In my opinion, Congress will not pass anything remotely like an AWB because they want to be re-elected. Panic feeds on itself. I could be wrong, just my opinion. |
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What if we all stopped buying any overpriced guns, ammo and mags till the prices came down to nearly "normal" prices? Reverse the current supply and demand till levels are back to normal. Crazy talk? Free-riding is the essence of the collective action problem. Even if most buyers would resist paying the crazy prices sellers currently charge there would be those who would "shirk" and buy these overpriced goods anyway. Monitoring and enforcing compliance is difficult in big groups because the probability of detection and punishment are low. Free market has little to do with it. It may facilitate certain free riding behaviors but it does not cause them. |
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What if we all stopped buying any overpriced guns, ammo and mags till the prices came down to nearly "normal" prices? Reverse the current supply and demand till levels are back to normal. Crazy talk? Yes, crazy. Because what you're actually saying is, "Let's change human nature." Panics are driven by fear, one of the most basic of human motivations. Panic buying won't stop until peoples' fear levels subside. The best way to deal with this is to understand what motivates people prior to witnessing that motivation at its worst. In this case, that means being adequately prepared prior, so that you can sit back contently and watch panicking from the sidelines. BTW, "normal" is not a static concept. "Normal" is defined by the context of the times. Thus, many guns are not "overpriced" right now. Rather, there is a " normal" price with panic buying going on that is different from the "normal" price absent panic buying. |
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I get what op is getting at. Im sure you the herd will be along here soon to trample his ass. I think he's just saying it would be nice to go back to pre sandy prices.  Been trampled before, I'll ok to get it again. 
I guess our outlook on it also depends if you are currently buying or selling. |
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The best way to deal with this is to understand what motivates people prior to witnessing that motivation at its worst. In this case, that means being adequately prepared prior, so that you can sit back contently and watch panicking from the sidelines. Yep.. There is some stuff I wish I had stocked up a little more of but, for the most part I have just been watching everyone else go crazy. |
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What if we all stopped buying any overpriced guns, ammo and mags till the prices came down to nearly "normal" prices? Reverse the current supply and demand till levels are back to normal. Crazy talk? Not happening. People are panic buying over fear of not being able to get something before it's banned. The only way to reverse this is for it to be 100% clear that there will be no ban on any guns or magazines. People aren't just going to magically stop buying to bring prices back down. |
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I refuse to pay the jacked up panic prices, although I will buy things at the "normal" pre Sandy Hook prices even if I have to wait a while for delivery. That's the fallacy right there. I already consider pre-sandy (2012) pricing to be above normal. Normal relative to prices in 2011, and the year before that, so on so forth. We all need to accept the fact that normal prices is already based on what the market is willing to bear at whatever prices you considered normal. It's all relative. Those who got in the game earlier have a completely different perspective on what normal prices mean. I still read in wonder whenever those old farts tell how much they paid for crap we now treat as gold. Guess what? Today's high prices will be the norm a year from now (maybe sooner) for as long as there's demand. It's a huge gamble one way or the other. To those who bought cheap and stacked deep, they're probably laughing all the way to the bank. For those who didn't read the writing on the wall, they're panicking and buying everything in sight. Opportunists prey on them. Pure capitalism at it's finest gentlemen. |
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I'm hoping imports and manufactures go crazy trying to meet the demand, then demand dies off and we have a glut of cheap supply. I've bought a few magazines and rifles online at very mildly (if at all) inflated prices. I'm really trying to stop myself from buying a $2400 Colt LE6920 - that's the last addition (for now) I'm interested in buying. Hard to do it when I could have bought one 3+ weeks ago for $1100.
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To those who bought cheap and stacked deep, they're probably laughing all the way to the bank. Yeah, we are. Really tempting. My LGS just about ran out of stuff to sell and here I am procrastinating on a decision to bring a big box of extra mags I've got stashed away from my hoarding days. Lots of traffic there and people buying up mags at 4x 2012 prices. |
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I refuse to pay the jacked up panic prices, although I will buy things at the "normal" pre Sandy Hook prices even if I have to wait a while for delivery. That's the fallacy right there. I already consider pre-sandy (2012) pricing to be above normal. Normal relative to prices in 2011, and the year before that, so on so forth. We all need to accept the fact that normal prices is already based on what the market is willing to bear at whatever prices you considered normal. It's all relative. Those who got in the game earlier have a completely different perspective on what normal prices mean. I still read in wonder whenever those old farts tell how much they paid for crap we now treat as gold. Guess what? Today's high prices will be the norm a year from now (maybe sooner) for as long as there's demand. It's a huge gamble one way or the other. To those who bought cheap and stacked deep, they're probably laughing all the way to the bank. For those who didn't read the writing on the wall, they're panicking and buying everything in sight. Opportunists prey on them. Pure capitalism at it's finest gentlemen. How far do you want to go back to define "normal"? 1980s, early 1990s? Any AWB or the specter thereof is going to stimulate demand, most of these are panic buys by new buyers who haven't been stockpiling guns and ammo for decades. I'm just buying a few things at pre- Sandy Hook "normal" rather than stimulate the panic spike. Demand has been ticking up ever since the Clintonista AWB, which I think is a good thing for gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment in general. It shows that more and more people are aware of and concerned with over-reaching Big Gub'ment. They have a stake in the outcome of an AWB and are not going to be apathetic. The fact that people have jumped into this market and bought an AK for $1800 and ammo for double or triple the "normal" price shows a high level of commitment. |
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I refuse to pay the jacked up panic prices, although I will buy things at the "normal" pre Sandy Hook prices even if I have to wait a while for delivery. That's the fallacy right there. I already consider pre-sandy (2012) pricing to be above normal. Normal relative to prices in 2011, and the year before that, so on so forth. We all need to accept the fact that normal prices is already based on what the market is willing to bear at whatever prices you considered normal. It's all relative. Those who got in the game earlier have a completely different perspective on what normal prices mean. I still read in wonder whenever those old farts tell how much they paid for crap we now treat as gold. Guess what? Today's high prices will be the norm a year from now (maybe sooner) for as long as there's demand. It's a huge gamble one way or the other. To those who bought cheap and stacked deep, they're probably laughing all the way to the bank. For those who didn't read the writing on the wall, they're panicking and buying everything in sight. Opportunists prey on them. Pure capitalism at it's finest gentlemen. How far do you want to go back to define "normal"? 1980s, early 1990s? Any AWB or the specter thereof is going to stimulate demand, most of these are panic buys by new buyers who haven't been stockpiling guns and ammo for decades. I'm just buying a few things at pre- Sandy Hook "normal" rather than stimulate the panic spike. Demand has been ticking up ever since the Clintonista AWB, which I think is a good thing for gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment in general. It shows that more and more people are aware of and concerned with over-reaching Big Gub'ment. They have a stake in the outcome of an AWB and are not going to be apathetic. The fact that people have jumped into this market and bought an AK for $1800 and ammo for double or triple the "normal" price shows a high level of commitment. I'm with you. My point is, there is no normal. Everything is hinged on supply and demand as its supposed to be. What is today's outrageous prices are tomorrow's normal, maybe or maybe not. I wish I have a crystal ball to predict what is yet to come. We can only go by what we know. Supply is either dwindling or being heavily restricted. There's demand more than ever. If I wished prices went back to last months normal every time, I'd horde as much as I can. More often than not, the stuff I wish I had bought more of when I had the chance are either completely gone or priced out of my previous normal range. A new normal is established and then I have to make an economic decision to accept it or keep waiting. Wait too long I run the risk of not getting any or perhaps I get lucky and get a second chance. At the end of the day, i have to ask what's it worth to me (beyond monetary value). I can guess most people that pay higher prices think the same way. Not all gun related price hikes were due to some AWB or other political bad news. A good example are the 5.45 mags. In as late as 2011, the going rate for surplus 5.45 mags were around $10 - $15. All of a sudden, they all jumped 2x for no apparent reason, other than perhaps 5.45 has gained more popularity than ever before. 7N6 and Yugo M67 crates were sitting in warehouses waiting to be sold at insanely cheap prices (relative to late 2012). |
There's deals to be had out there, and it's especially rewarding when everything is so crazy, to make a killer gun deal.
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What if we all stopped buying any overpriced guns, ammo and mags till the prices came down to nearly "normal" prices? Reverse the current supply and demand till levels are back to normal. Crazy talk? Try telling that to the people who shop at GB. or ebay, some ebay prices have been ridiculous. Even if you could get everyone in the US to agree to stopping, many would break the agreement. Its economics/capitalism/greed/fear/etc. There is no stopping it, As for me, i did not partake in any buying any of the overprice bs. I have however been selling off a significant amount of my magazines on the equipment exchange. I'm probably going to be a little ticked if a ban does actually happen, but I'm taking my chances. |
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I refuse to pay the jacked up panic prices, although I will buy things at the "normal" pre Sandy Hook prices even if I have to wait a while for delivery. You might be waiting a very long time. Well, unless they pull a CDNN on me, the stuff is purchased, in the pipeline and on its way. |
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The best way to deal with this is to understand what motivates people prior to witnessing that motivation at its worst. In this case, that means being adequately prepared prior, so that you can sit back contently and watch panicking from the sidelines. Yep.. There is some stuff I wish I had stocked up a little more of but, for the most part I have just been watching everyone else go crazy. Me too, I mean we all had 8+ years to "stock up" .
People talk about a "brotherhood" among gun owners, all I see is every man for himself. Sad thing is most the people I see buying stuff up don't know what they are buying or why, but they are becuase they can. |
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Just to put it into perspective guys, I will provide you with these links; http://www.guncity.co.nz/armalite-ar15-ar10-xidg11721.html & http://www.guncity.co.nz/ak47-saiga-tigr-xidg11698.html THESE are our normal prices. Supply & demand + export & import restrictions = BS. Now, given this isn't what you guys have come to expect from your market, still be happy that you have access to these well below what some in the rest of the world face. ETA: fixed links. |
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Just to put it into perspective guys, I will provide you with these links; http://www.guncity.co.nz/armalite-ar15-ar10-xidg11721.html & http://www.guncity.co.nz/ak47-saiga-tigr-xidg11698.html THESE are our normal prices. Supply & demand + export & import restrictions = BS. Now, given this isn't what you guys have come to expect from your market, still be happy that you have access to these well below what some in the rest of the world face. ETA: fixed links. Do Kiwis have a constitutional right to bear arms (i.e. our 2nd Amendment)? Well, hopefully our gun lobby and public support is strong enough to prevent such rationing and defacto suppression of the 2nd Amendment. If not, I'm sure it would open up a thriving black market, as do all prohibitions, probably for full auto small arms and heavier weapons in the wrong hands (e.g. the shit load that Norinco tried to smuggle in to supply Chinese Tongs in California during the Clintonista regime). The only positives I see in NZ are sound suppressors without a license and some nice looking Aussie L1A1s. |
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There's not gonna be a ban unless you live in NY. Obama is all talk, I have said it from day one. I can almost agree with you, BUT we are now stuck with O.B. health care for life AND "I" thought that it would never fly, but its now the law of the land... Don't underestimate him or the collective stupidity of the American people. The choice is ours... You can either wait and "hope for the best" or "get it while you can." Things seem like they are in check now, but wait for the next mall, theater, school, etc., shooting and the leftist media and groups will mobilize all the dumb-@sses in the country and ALL those "sheep" will demand that something be done under an emergency government order.... I do not see a gun confiscation, but a ban on scary looking guns is very possible. To all the Fudds who don't care about this fight, just wait... Those pretty bolt action rifles you treasure WILL be next since those are evil sniper rifles!! Bottom line, the days of $250 AKs and $100 SKSs are long done, as well as those $5 dollar AK magazines... Hell, if I knew that the senior Pres. Bush would have banned those cheap Chinese AK imports in 1989, I would have bought 20 of them in 1987/1988. Hell, if I knew that Pres. Reagan would stop the manufacturing of MGs back in 1986, I would have bought a couple back in 1985 as well!! Yes, "I" paid too much for my NIB HK-93 back in 1989 when the "pre-ban panic" price was around $700, but I forked over the NEW price of a then crazy $1100. I've now have had it for close to 25 years and she is worth $2500 and that's before the latest madness. Buy it. Shoot it. Enjoy it. Take care of it.... You will not loss money. I know it's hard for Americans to think in the long term, but give it a shot... It works!! |
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