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Posted: 1/2/2013 8:33:35 AM EDT
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I ordered a bunch of steel Bulgarian mags from CDNN for $14.99 each on 12/17 before all the AWB hi-cap magazine hysteria hit the fan and watched the price steadily climb to $17 and $20 per mag before they were "out of stock." Got a message on 12/31 that the order was "being processed."
Today I got this message: "We regret to inform you that we have sold out of all the items that you have ordered. Your order has been cancelled and is no longer active. Your credit card was never charged. Unfortunately we do not have a back order system and we are not able to process your original order at original pricing. To place a new order for alternative merchandise please call 800-588-9500. As stated on our website for the last several days we had received an overwhelming number of orders and emails. We have been unable to notify our customers if there were any issues with their order until now. We sincerely apologize for the delay in notifying you. We appreciate your business. Sincerely, CDNN Sports, Inc." I call Bull Shit. The mags were in stock when I ordered them at $14.99 so they probably just cancelled my order and filled somebody else's order with my mags @ $20+/per. 
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sorry to hear alot of this crap going around. On the other hand I just got a message from Ammo To Go that an order I placed on 12/19 just shipped, so kudos to Ammo To Go -- they're honoring their deal even though they've been sold out of most of their military caliber ammo for several days -- and did not jack up their prices along the way. I'll remember Ammo To Go in a different way... 
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Just keep a note of the "good guys" and "bad guys" since the recent events. On another AK forum, they're doing just that as a reference reminder.
I dislike how these previous decent vendors have become "bad guys" but I do understand something - if things go very badly in terms of this hobby, there will be many vendors out there who will be out of business. Some seem to be quite aware of this fact and are cashing in as much as they can before a possible demise of their companies. But it certainly doesn't excuse what some vendors are doing in terms of taking the orders at one price, then raising the prices after the order and insisting you have to pay the new price. That's ridiculous as well as illegal and unethical. One fellow on The AK Forum put it quite well when referring to what Southern Ohio Guns did to a member's order such as above. He put it perfectly by stating: "That's like buying gas and when your done filling up the guy runs out and says hey the price went up you owe me money." |
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Just keep a note of the "good guys" and "bad guys" since the recent events. On another AK forum, they're doing just that as a reference reminder. Link pls It's probably best to check it out yourself as it's another forum. Give a check on The AK Forum in the "General Discussion" section. |
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Known history of Price Gouging:
Cheaper than Dirt Classic Arms JG Sales One Source Tactical Southern Ohio Gun CNC Warrior CDNN Czechpoint-USA Rocke Guns of Griggsville, IL Solar Tactical JAX Sporting Goods "Good Guys:" AIM Surplus Apex Arms of America Atlantic Firearms Bonesteel Arms Bravo Company USA Copes Distributing Defense Solutions Group Exile Machine Greg Cote LLC ICC Manufacturing Jestice Arms Larue Tactical My Guns Northwest Nodak Operation Parts Primary Arms Ronins Grips SG Ammo Sportsman'sGuide |
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Just keep a note of the "good guys" and "bad guys" since the recent events. On another AK forum, they're doing just that as a reference reminder. I dislike how these previous decent vendors have become "bad guys" but I do understand something - if things go very badly in terms of this hobby, there will be many vendors out there who will be out of business. Some seem to be quite aware of this fact and are cashing in as much as they can before a possible demise of their companies. But it certainly doesn't excuse what some vendors are doing in terms of taking the orders at one price, then raising the prices after the order and insisting you have to pay the new price. That's ridiculous as well as illegal and unethical. One fellow on The AK Forum put it quite well when referring to what Southern Ohio Guns did to a member's order such as above. He put it perfectly by stating: "That's like buying gas and when your done filling up the guy runs out and says hey the price went up you owe me money." To the extent that vendors are actually doing shady things (like taking an order and then cancelling it), yeah, a list is helpful. However, a lot of vendors are being called "bad guys" because they had the audacity to increase their prices dramatically in the face of dramatic spikes in demand. In other words, doing exactly what they should be doing to ensure market efficiency. A lot of the comments on those "bad guy" lists are nothing but baseless claims of non-existent "price-gouging". It's as if an awful lot of gun owners think that the laws of economics either don't or shouldn't apply to them. And in this, there is enough irony to fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool. |
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Known history of Price Gouging: Cheaper than Dirt Classic Arms JG Sales One Source Tactical Southern Ohio Gun CNC Warrior CDNN Czechpoint-USA Rocke Guns of Griggsville, IL Solar Tactical JAX Sporting Goods "Good Guys:" AIM Surplus Apex Arms of America Atlantic Firearms Bonesteel Arms Bravo Company USA Copes Distributing Defense Solutions Group Exile Machine Greg Cote LLC ICC Manufacturing Jestice Arms Larue Tactical My Guns Northwest Nodak Operation Parts Primary Arms Ronins Grips SG Ammo Sportsman'sGuide I've had good experience with Midway as well. |
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I remember the 94 ban that was before most of the the web and I used a guy who regularly had a large ad in the shotgun news. I thought that I had everything covered when I placed a large order of multiple types of magazines days before the ban. Then he held my order and after the ban he conveniently lost my order but I was "welcome to re-order at the new prices"
There are a lot of scumbags in this world. I'm glad that I was not cut out for business. I've recently heard people try to explain that when they order replacement stock it will cost more. Well fine then charge more for those items when you sell them but honor the orders you took at the old price on the old stock before you found out that you could get rich by taking advantage of peoples fears. |
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This what I got from SOG on a PAP M-92 I had on order from 12/20 I got this on 12/25. My friend who I told about this deal ordered two over the phone
and got his shipped at the advertised price. Unfortunately we are unable to process your order for the AK-M92PV at the price advertised at time of purchase. Due to our merchandise selling out on a daily basis, the current price for this AK-M92PV shipment is $695.00. Please let me know as soon as possible if you wish to continue with this order, as they will sell out soon. Thanks, Angie SOG on the 26th I got this: I do apologize for the inconvenience but unfortunately, I am not able to honor the old price. I will pass this email on to my operation's manager and get this order cancelled for you. Thanks, SOG, Trish On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Bob M <[email protected]> wrote: Unless you can ship this at the advertised price I do not want this. You advertised $595 that is what I want to pay. Gouging your customers for an extra $100 is not good business regardless of the situation. rwm Yeah I probably could have swung the extra $100 but it is the principle, and also the fact they shipped two to my buddy at the advertised price and I was responsible for the sale of three guns for them.....I got the shaft for my troubles. I will remember this forever, they will never sell me as much as a barrel patch. bluz
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Just keep a note of the "good guys" and "bad guys" since the recent events. On another AK forum, they're doing just that as a reference reminder. I dislike how these previous decent vendors have become "bad guys" but I do understand something - if things go very badly in terms of this hobby, there will be many vendors out there who will be out of business. Some seem to be quite aware of this fact and are cashing in as much as they can before a possible demise of their companies. But it certainly doesn't excuse what some vendors are doing in terms of taking the orders at one price, then raising the prices after the order and insisting you have to pay the new price. That's ridiculous as well as illegal and unethical. One fellow on The AK Forum put it quite well when referring to what Southern Ohio Guns did to a member's order such as above. He put it perfectly by stating: "That's like buying gas and when your done filling up the guy runs out and says hey the price went up you owe me money." To the extent that vendors are actually doing shady things (like taking an order and then cancelling it), yeah, a list is helpful. However, a lot of vendors are being called "bad guys" because they had the audacity to increase their prices dramatically in the face of dramatic spikes in demand. In other words, doing exactly what they should be doing to ensure market efficiency. A lot of the comments on those "bad guy" lists are nothing but baseless claims of non-existent "price-gouging". It's as if an awful lot of gun owners think that the laws of economics either don't or shouldn't apply to them. And in this, there is enough irony to fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool. Hey, I have no problem with capitalism and supply and demand. That's business and free enterprise. What I do object to is placing an order (with instant payment by credit card) getting not one but two order confirmations that my merchandise is on the way and then find out that the vendor has shopped my order to the highest bidder. When I place an order and give instant payment, I don't expect to play eBay. So at this point, the mags I wanted are sold out everywhere and I'm missing out because I had the foresight to place an order before the shit hit the fan. Because CDNN screwed my order, I'll be lucky to find used mags at $30 to $40 each at this point. I've given CDNN a lot of business over the years, even when they sent me some shitty aftermarket mags in place of factory mags during the '90s AWB (which I sent back). It just goes to show that CDNN can't be trusted in a pinch. |
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So at this point, the mags I wanted are sold out everywhere and I'm missing out because I had the foresight to place an order before the shit hit the fan. Because CDNN screwed my order, I'll be lucky to find used mags at $30 to $40 each at this point. I've given CDNN a lot of business over the years, even when they sent me some shitty aftermarket mags in place of factory mags during the '90s AWB (which I sent back). It just goes to show that CDNN can't be trusted in a pinch. Actually, if you were smart you would have ordered what you needed before the recent shooting took place, maybe after the Colorado shooting, or after the Tucson shooting. Or how about before the last election? It isn't like the handwriting wasn't on the wall before this month. I haven't bought anything in two years and really have much to much for my own use even after selling the vast majority of stuff I had at prices much lower than today's prices. You say you have bought items during the previous AWB in the 90's? But you didn't have the foresight to already have what you needed once Obama got elected the first time? 
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Keep in mind that many on line gun sellers do not have a real time inventory systems and do daily or hourly updates. And inventory from their ERP system can be off for any number of reasons. I don't think CDNN was doing this to pull a fast one, based on other items still shipping that they could have sold for much more.
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Known history of Price Gouging: Cheaper than Dirt Classic Arms JG Sales One Source Tactical Southern Ohio Gun CNC Warrior CDNN Czechpoint-USA Rocke Guns of Griggsville, IL Solar Tactical JAX Sporting Goods "Good Guys:" AIM Surplus Apex Arms of America Atlantic Firearms Bonesteel Arms Bravo Company USA Copes Distributing Defense Solutions Group Exile Machine Greg Cote LLC ICC Manufacturing Jestice Arms Larue Tactical My Guns Northwest Nodak Operation Parts Primary Arms Ronins Grips SG Ammo Sportsman'sGuide I've had good experience with Midway as well. ARAK guns were good for not gouging also. Of course like all the good guys, they are sold out of everything. |
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So at this point, the mags I wanted are sold out everywhere and I'm missing out because I had the foresight to place an order before the shit hit the fan. Because CDNN screwed my order, I'll be lucky to find used mags at $30 to $40 each at this point. I've given CDNN a lot of business over the years, even when they sent me some shitty aftermarket mags in place of factory mags during the '90s AWB (which I sent back). It just goes to show that CDNN can't be trusted in a pinch. Actually, if you were smart you would have ordered what you needed before the recent shooting took place, maybe after the Colorado shooting, or after the Tucson shooting. Or how about before the last election? It isn't like the handwriting wasn't on the wall before this month. I haven't bought anything in two years and really have much to much for my own use even after selling the vast majority of stuff I had at prices much lower than today's prices. You say you have bought items during the previous AWB in the 90's? But you didn't have the foresight to already have what you needed once Obama got elected the first time? Regrettably, time and money are limited at any particular moment, so I do what I can when I can. Of course, if I had a crystal ball and owned all the coffee in the world, things would be different! I probably would have bought a thousand pre ban Chinese AKs back in the day and made a mint... |
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Keep in mind that many on line gun sellers do not have a real time inventory systems and do daily or hourly updates. And inventory from their ERP system can be off for any number of reasons. I don't think CDNN was doing this to pull a fast one, based on other items still shipping that they could have sold for much more. Just my 2cents. CDNN is big enough and has been around and done business online long enough to keep track of their inventory -- they had enough of a handle on their inventory to start jacking up their prices 25% in the space of two days, so they probably had some idea what their inventory was. Many smaller operations list their inventory on line. and tell you if t's sold out before they take any more orders. The problem is, with the expectation that I had purchased their product (with 2 email confirmations) they tied up my order for two weeks and then did not honor it, for whatever reason. It just smells fishy to me, so in the future I'll find somebody more reliable to do business with. |
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I would like to know how Dec. 17th is before the hysteria started?
The Sandy Hook shooting was on the 14th. If you think the starting pistol on this shit hadnt fired long before you placed your order you should re-examine the timeline. The 15th there were several sales records busted. 16th saw even more. By the 17th it is was fucking pandemonium. |
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CDNN is big enough and has been around and done business online long enough to keep track of their inventory -- they had enough of a handle on their inventory to start jacking up their prices 25% in the space of two days, so they probably had some idea what their inventory was. Many smaller operations list their inventory on line. and tell you if t's sold out before they take any more orders. The problem is, with the expectation that I had purchased their product (with 2 email confirmations) they tied up my order for two weeks and then did not honor it, for whatever reason. It just smells fishy to me, so in the future I'll find somebody more reliable to do business with. You are welcome to your opinion, and you may be right. However, I work in the business and you would be shocked how weak the systems in use is a most major distributors. And CDNN is a distributor. Everyone in the industry is seeing an unprecedented upswing in purchases, that is why many are backed up 20 days for shipping. Most of these places just don't have the systems in place to deal with this surge, and it came at a time when people were taking vacations and many places were running skeleton crews. |
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I would like to know how Dec. 17th is before the hysteria started? The Sandy Hook shooting was on the 14th. If you think the starting pistol on this shit hadnt fired long before you placed your order you should re-examine the timeline. The 15th there were several sales records busted. 16th saw even more. By the 17th it is was fucking pandemonium. Whatever you say, boss. The panic and price hikes took a few days and Obama speeches to gain momentum, where $1,000 SLRs started getting priced at $1,799.00 etc. and tins of 5.45 ammo started getting priced at $899,00. I have no problem with supply and demand, merchandise is worth what someone will pay. I placed the order at $15/ea.,, CDNN sent me two confirmations and then canceled two weeks later after the price went to $20/ea.. At best it's incompetence and at worst unethical. If CDNN had stated that they reserve the right to cancel orders or change the price on existing orders without prior notice, I never would have placed the order with them. There are plenty of other companies that have honored their deals through this panic. If you think it's OK for vendors to shop your paid order around for a better price or tie you up for two weeks while they get a handle on their inventory, that's your prerogative; You're welcome to trade with CDNN, caveat emptor. |
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I would like to know how Dec. 17th is before the hysteria started? The Sandy Hook shooting was on the 14th. If you think the starting pistol on this shit hadnt fired long before you placed your order you should re-examine the timeline. The 15th there were several sales records busted. 16th saw even more. By the 17th it is was fucking pandemonium. Whatever you say, boss. The panic and price hikes took a few days and Obama speeches to gain momentum, where $1,000 SLRs started getting priced at $1,799.00 etc. and tins of 5.45 ammo started getting priced at $899,00. I have no problem with supply and demand, merchandise is worth what someone will pay. I placed the order at $15/ea.,, CDNN sent me two confirmations and then canceled two weeks later after the price went to $20/ea.. At best it's incompetence and at worst unethical. If CDNN had stated that they reserve the right to cancel orders or change the price on existing orders without prior notice, I never would have placed the order with them. There are plenty of other companies that have honored their deals through this panic. If you think it's OK for vendors to shop your paid order around for a better price or tie you up for two weeks while they get a handle on their inventory, that's your prerogative; You're welcome to trade with CDNN, caveat emptor. I have purchased from CDNN since the early 90's and will continue to do so,as will most people. When this finally passes(and it will)CDNN won't be bothered sales wise by your little rand,nor will any other vendor out there. People have a short memory for this stuff and WILL buy from anyone that has the lowest price. You are getting pissy because YOU failed to be stocked up BEFORE the shit hit the fan. |
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They canceled my order for 5 Glock 17 mags, oh well. There loss will never order from them again. I'll throw the bullshit flag right here as an example. When the storm passes,and everyone calms down and CDNN has trade in G17 mags for 12.99 each you and everyone else will be burnin up your CC trying to get a hundred. Stop acting like children,stomping your feet. |
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I would like to know how Dec. 17th is before the hysteria started? The Sandy Hook shooting was on the 14th. If you think the starting pistol on this shit hadnt fired long before you placed your order you should re-examine the timeline. The 15th there were several sales records busted. 16th saw even more. By the 17th it is was fucking pandemonium. Whatever you say, boss. The panic and price hikes took a few days and Obama speeches to gain momentum, where $1,000 SLRs started getting priced at $1,799.00 etc. and tins of 5.45 ammo started getting priced at $899,00. I have no problem with supply and demand, merchandise is worth what someone will pay. I placed the order at $15/ea.,, CDNN sent me two confirmations and then canceled two weeks later after the price went to $20/ea.. At best it's incompetence and at worst unethical. If CDNN had stated that they reserve the right to cancel orders or change the price on existing orders without prior notice, I never would have placed the order with them. There are plenty of other companies that have honored their deals through this panic. If you think it's OK for vendors to shop your paid order around for a better price or tie you up for two weeks while they get a handle on their inventory, that's your prerogative; You're welcome to trade with CDNN, caveat emptor. I have purchased from CDNN since the early 90's and will continue to do so,as will most people. When this finally passes(and it will)CDNN won't be bothered sales wise by your little rand,nor will any other vendor out there. People have a short memory for this stuff and WILL buy from anyone that has the lowest price. You are getting pissy because YOU failed to be stocked up BEFORE the shit hit the fan. Don't worry yourself, I found some unissued East German mags at a more reputable establishment for less than CDNN was charging. I'll let you know when they come in!
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I would like to know how Dec. 17th is before the hysteria started? The Sandy Hook shooting was on the 14th. If you think the starting pistol on this shit hadnt fired long before you placed your order you should re-examine the timeline. The 15th there were several sales records busted. 16th saw even more. By the 17th it is was fucking pandemonium. Whatever you say, boss. The panic and price hikes took a few days and Obama speeches to gain momentum, where $1,000 SLRs started getting priced at $1,799.00 etc. and tins of 5.45 ammo started getting priced at $899,00. I have no problem with supply and demand, merchandise is worth what someone will pay. I placed the order at $15/ea.,, CDNN sent me two confirmations and then canceled two weeks later after the price went to $20/ea.. At best it's incompetence and at worst unethical. If CDNN had stated that they reserve the right to cancel orders or change the price on existing orders without prior notice, I never would have placed the order with them. There are plenty of other companies that have honored their deals through this panic. If you think it's OK for vendors to shop your paid order around for a better price or tie you up for two weeks while they get a handle on their inventory, that's your prerogative; You're welcome to trade with CDNN, caveat emptor. I have purchased from CDNN since the early 90's and will continue to do so,as will most people. When this finally passes(and it will)CDNN won't be bothered sales wise by your little rand,nor will any other vendor out there. People have a short memory for this stuff and WILL buy from anyone that has the lowest price. You are getting pissy because YOU failed to be stocked up BEFORE the shit hit the fan. Don't worry yourself, I found some unissued East German mags at a more reputable establishment for less than CDNN was charging. I'll let you know when they come in!
Ain't worried a bit,I'm sittin on all the mags I need because I bought them when nobody wanted them 
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I would like to know how Dec. 17th is before the hysteria started? The Sandy Hook shooting was on the 14th. If you think the starting pistol on this shit hadnt fired long before you placed your order you should re-examine the timeline. The 15th there were several sales records busted. 16th saw even more. By the 17th it is was fucking pandemonium. Whatever you say, boss. The panic and price hikes took a few days and Obama speeches to gain momentum, where $1,000 SLRs started getting priced at $1,799.00 etc. and tins of 5.45 ammo started getting priced at $899,00. I have no problem with supply and demand, merchandise is worth what someone will pay. I placed the order at $15/ea.,, CDNN sent me two confirmations and then canceled two weeks later after the price went to $20/ea.. At best it's incompetence and at worst unethical. If CDNN had stated that they reserve the right to cancel orders or change the price on existing orders without prior notice, I never would have placed the order with them. There are plenty of other companies that have honored their deals through this panic. If you think it's OK for vendors to shop your paid order around for a better price or tie you up for two weeks while they get a handle on their inventory, that's your prerogative; You're welcome to trade with CDNN, caveat emptor. I have purchased from CDNN since the early 90's and will continue to do so,as will most people. When this finally passes(and it will)CDNN won't be bothered sales wise by your little rand,nor will any other vendor out there. People have a short memory for this stuff and WILL buy from anyone that has the lowest price. You are getting pissy because YOU failed to be stocked up BEFORE the shit hit the fan. Don't worry yourself, I found some unissued East German mags at a more reputable establishment for less than CDNN was charging. I'll let you know when they come in!
Ain't worried a bit,I'm sittin on all the mags I need because I bought them when nobody wanted them
Bet you gave more than $2 each for them. Well, hell, at $2 a pop, that's just a "windfall" for you -- you can afford to give me some of those mags for free. As Obama bin Biden would say, "share the wealth."
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