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Posted: 11/18/2012 1:17:11 PM EDT
Got a WASR-10/63 underfolder two weeks ago, took it to the range just little while ago. The first 10-15 round fire off just fine, but it start to not feed properly. I charge the first round and fire, the second round won’t go into battery. I used different mags and ammo, same problem. Here some pictures.
fe2 by gundamzaku999, on Flickr 
fe1 by gundamzaku999, on Flickr 
fe by gundamzaku999, on Flickr I’m going to clean and try again. Any suggestion what causing this? Thank |
| It's the bolt, WASR has a bolt that is narrow at the bottom that will clear the single stack mags. It is also kind of short and some mags will not work with it. My WASR-2 is like that, unless I pull on the mag while shooting, it will not work with two of my mags. Luckily, I have 15 more mags that it will work with it. You could fix it by installing a new mag release paddle that is a little higher than the current one or find mags that will work with it. |
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It's the bolt, WASR has a bolt that is narrow at the bottom that will clear the single stack mags. It is also kind of short and some mags will not work with it. My WASR-2 is like that, unless I pull on the mag while shooting, it will not work with two of my mags. Luckily, I have 15 more mags that it will work with it. You could fix it by installing a new mag release paddle that is a little higher than the current one or find mags that will work with it. A narrow bolt shouldn't override rounds in a magazine. OP, insert the magazine with some rounds and take a pic of the bolt face as it's contacting the rear of the round, but not stripping it from the magazine. Either your selector stop plate is too thick, your magazine catch is too short, or a combo of both. |
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Best picture I can get. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/longnguy/8198647674/" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8062/8198647674_7a96523ed7.jpg</a> lo by gundamzaku999, on Flickr Hmm, it looks like it's sitting just fine. Well, I should say it's not as bad as others I've seen, but it could be better. When you lock in the mag does it have back to front movement? |
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My wasr 2 did the same thing. The bolt carrier rides really loose on the rails and gets pushed up by the hammer over the rim of the cartridge. Continue to hold down the trigger after each shot like you are supposed to and you won't have this problem anymore.
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I own 5 AK, including another WASR10 and none of them have this problem. So maybe the magazine catch? I want every rifle to be reliable. Quoted:
My wasr 2 did the same thing. The bolt carrier rides really loose on the rails and gets pushed up by the hammer over the rim of the cartridge. Continue to hold down the trigger after each shot like you are supposed to and you won't have this problem anymore. Joseph How is holding down the trigger help not cause this? Quoted:
I had a problem similar to that on a regular WASR. Check how high the magazine sits in the magazine well. I replaced the mag catch to make mags sit higher. I'm still in test phase to see if it fixed the problem. How easy is it to replace the latch? Is there “how to” somewhere I can look at? |
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It's the bolt, WASR has a bolt that is narrow at the bottom that will clear the single stack mags. It is also kind of short and some mags will not work with it. My WASR-2 is like that, unless I pull on the mag while shooting, it will not work with two of my mags. Luckily, I have 15 more mags that it will work with it. You could fix it by installing a new mag release paddle that is a little higher than the current one or find mags that will work with it. A narrow bolt shouldn't override rounds in a magazine. OP, insert the magazine with some rounds and take a pic of the bolt face as it's contacting the rear of the round, but not stripping it from the magazine. Either your selector stop plate is too thick, your magazine catch is too short, or a combo of both. As I stated on the second sentence, it is not the narrow part that is wrong, it is in fact that the lower lug is short and barely strips a round off the magazine. You do test it out like this: using your support hand, grab the mag and pull it back towards your shoulder, start shooting it this way and see if it will run. My two bad mags will work 100% if I do this. Now, do the opposite with your support hand, grab the mag and push it way from your shoulder. My WASR will start having more failures and my jams look exactly like yours. Give it a try and it will know if it is the bolt or not. |
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Give it a thorough cleaning to make sure you got the cosmoline all out of it, then lube it well. Try different mags.
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Got a WASR-10/63 I think I may have found the problem. 
My WASR-10/63 is just as reliable as your ak.  Any gun from any manufacturer can have problems.+1. That gets old. |
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Got a WASR-10/63 I think I may have found the problem.
My WASR-10/63 is just as reliable as your ak. Any gun from any manufacturer can have problems.+1. That gets old. Very old indeed. There are badly built turd WASR-10/63's out there, but quality control at CAI has improved significantly in the past few years. I have owned 3 WASR's and they were all 100% reliable. I didnt run them very hard, a few thousand rounds through each, but they did what they were designed to do. |
| When your bolt is just barely stripping a round from your mag at the shoulder of the rim then as stated try mags with thicker mag catch or replace your mag paddle and slowly tune it till it functions. Pretty straight forward fix if all else is straight your ak should be fine. If you cannot rivet your can use a small bolt to secure the mag paddle on the trigger gaurd. I bet if you fix this way it will shoot well from what it looks like. |
Here is the bolt from two WASR. The left is from the trouble rifle the right is from the good rifle.
bolt by gundamzaku999, on Flickr |
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Also the latch. Does it seem lower on the right?
When compare to my other AK, doesn’t seem to be anymore play with latch. 
latch by gundamzaku999, on Flickr |
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Here is the bolt from two WASR. The left is from the trouble rifle the right is from the good rifle. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/longnguy/8203568790/" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8067/8203568790_e6c473651f.jpg</a> bolt by gundamzaku999, on Flickr It could be the angle playing a trick on me, but the left bolt's bottom lug does look shorter than the right bolt. |
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Got a WASR-10/63 I think I may have found the problem.
My WASR-10/63 is just as reliable as your ak. Any gun from any manufacturer can have problems.+1. That gets old. Very old indeed. There are badly built turd WASR-10/63's out there, but quality control at CAI has improved significantly in the past few years. I have owned 3 WASR's and they were all 100% reliable. I didnt run them very hard, a few thousand rounds through each, but they did what they were designed to do. And yet here we are again in a thread about problems with a WASR now aren't we? 
I reckon having problems consistently with what is supposed to be the worlds most reliable firearm, gets old in a hurry as well. Good to hear you have a working model. 
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| Yes I see it too, but here the deal. When I hand cycle it will feed every single time. When I pull down the magazine it occasionally cause a jam. Someone elsewhere said it might be the gas port. How exactly is gas port causing the jam? Not enough gas to cycle the gas piston maybe? |
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Got a WASR-10/63 I think I may have found the problem.
My WASR-10/63 is just as reliable as your ak. Any gun from any manufacturer can have problems.+1. That gets old. Very old indeed. There are badly built turd WASR-10/63's out there, but quality control at CAI has improved significantly in the past few years. I have owned 3 WASR's and they were all 100% reliable. I didnt run them very hard, a few thousand rounds through each, but they did what they were designed to do. And yet here we are again in a thread about problems with a WASR now aren't we?
I reckon having problems consistently with what is supposed to be the worlds most reliable firearm, gets old in a hurry as well. Good to hear you have a working model.
Plenty of threads on forums about problems with other AK's. Plenty. If this same problem with was another type of AK, would ti be one-off, or would it make the entire weapon line a POS? This is the first problem I have heard of a WASR having this particular issue. |
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This is the first problem I have heard of a WASR having this particular issue. Googling "wasr feeding problem" leads to 65,700 hits in about a third of a second. Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it isn't an issue. And you are right, plenty of issues with every firearm out there, but that statement really is meaningless, as the point is that WASR's have way more than their share per capita. |
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If I had to guess without having the gun in hand, I’d say either the magazine catch has been filed down too far, or the magazines have bad mag catches. Since it does it with several magazines (that I’m assuming are military mags), that leads me to the mag catch. Here’s a cheap, easy way to check if it’s the mag. Take one of your magazines and slightly build up the section of the mag tet that comes in contact with the magazine catch with JB Weld. Just goop some on there, and let it dry thoroughly. Once dry, slowly file it down until the magazine just barely snaps in; now test fire it. If it works, then your magazine catch is bad; replace. Replacement involves a new catch paddle and rivet; if you can’t do this, find a good gunsmith who can. Also, if the rifle is new, also know that shipping it back to Century is an option. I know a couple of people who have done this and Century did them right.
Could it be the gas port? Not likely, but I’ve seen it happen before (just not on an AK). If either the recoil spring is too weak, or the gas port too large, then you could have too much violence in the bolt carrier being driven back. When this happens, the magazine is jarred heavily and rounds bounce around. Sometimes they set downward, sometimes they jump the lips. I ran into this with an M1 Carbine some years back, new recoil spring fixed her right up. But if this rifle is under warranty, then give Century the option of making it right. By the way; congrats on the Under-Folder. I consider the under-folder AK to be about the most versatile and useful of all semi-auto rifles for purely defensive work. When I did bodyguard work, anytime I wanted just a little more peace of mind, I would carry an under-folder either in a duffel bag or tennis racquet bag with a 40 round RPK mag next to it. Did that in East LA, Panama, and Mexico; worked out perfectly. You can walk right through Times Square with an AK over your shoulder and no one’s the wiser. And a cheap under folder makes a lot of sense too, that way if you have to leave it, or it manages to get stolen or confiscated, you’re not out too much. The cheek weld sucks, but you can learn to manage that easy enough. |
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OP, I really don't want to sound like an asshole here BUT why would anybody buy a WASR at their CURRENT prices when you can get a Hungarian, Polish, Saiga or other much better made rifle for the SAME price. The WASRs were attractive at $289.00 or even $349.00 BUT now? No thank you. Too many things that can be wrong with them.
Now, doubtless others will chime in, at this point, MY WASR is a good rifle. Maybe so, but the OP's sure as hell isn't. The Romanians are on the bottom rung of aks, in terms of quality of build. It has always been so. One could argue that the MAADI misr was a worse-made rifle, I suppose, but many members probably don't remember those. That's going back a few years. |
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This is the first problem I have heard of a WASR having this particular issue. Googling "wasr feeding problem" leads to 65,700 hits in about a third of a second. Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it isn't an issue. And you are right, plenty of issues with every firearm out there, but that statement really is meaningless, as the point is that WASR's have way more than their share per capita. And they also have the highest ownership ratio as well, which yields a higher chance of failure reportings. And I get 103,000 for "Saiga feeding problems", so there you go. There are way more WASR's out there. I am not a WASR fanboy. It's just that feeding is not one of their things that are suspect. Canted sights, Yes. Mag wobble. Yes. Bad finishes. Of course. But these can and are found on any AK varaint. Heck, I just had a thread concerning the ungodly 1" mag wobble in an Arsenal Saiga was thinking of buying. But I am not running around telling folks they are POS. I am sure there are tons out there that are great. Same thing with WASR's. There are just more WASR's out there, most owned by first-time AK buyers, and with that high ownership comes a high ratio of reported problems. There are millions of good running WASR's out there. Just people don't brag on them as much because some internet commando might bash them for what they own by the rep of earlier CAI weapons. Google "Glock problems" and see how many hits you get. |
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Google "Glock problems" and see how many hits you get. Well that's because Glocks, much like Apple products, are crap. 
To each their own i guess, personally I agree with the poster above you, much better values out there for the money. I use the term "WASR" much like I use "FUBAR", i.e. "Aw hell, lady ran a red light today and clipped me on the way to work, WASR'ed my whole right rear quarter-panel." |
| Went to the range again. I was using spineless Chinese style, Yugo bolt hold open, and newer Bulgarian magazines. The Chinese one work best. The magazine that didn’t work. I reloaded them but instead of using the hand guard, I used the magazine as the grip. Pushing upward it feeding properly. I also change the recoil spring, but that didn’t seem to help much. So it seem to me it’s the magazine being too low that is causing the problem? Anyone know a good vendor I can get magazine latch from? Any other input will help. Thank |
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Google "Glock problems" and see how many hits you get. Well that's because Glocks, much like Apple products, are crap.
To each their own i guess, personally I agree with the poster above you, much better values out there for the money. I use the term "WASR" much like I use "FUBAR", i.e. "Aw hell, lady ran a red light today and clipped me on the way to work, WASR'ed my whole right rear quarter-panel." LOL. OK, insert 1911, Colt AR, Sig, H&K..... instead. And I'd trade my POS high end Droid for the an Iphone 2 at this point  .
Android Junk. I'll put my G19 and G30 up against any pistol any day though. 
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