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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Quad Stack 7.62 mags (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/12/2012 5:59:56 AM EDT
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US Palm says it's releasing it's quad stack mag at SHOT. It holds 45 rounds, MSRP is $100, length is an eighth of an inch shorter than their 30 rounder. As excited as I am about this, I think they may have missed the mark a little with this one.
They also allude to a shorter version possibly being released, but don't say what the round count is. Read about it on their facebook page. I'm hoping a few more companies release quad stack mags at SHOT, and competition brings the prices to where they ought to be. |
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Lets see if we can guess a use for this. The mag will probably take up two cells in standard double mag pouch. So you are taking a hit in that you could carry two 30 rounders for the same space. Yet compare the weight between two steel surplus mags and 1 US palm synthetic 45 rounder and it might make sense (except for the cost issue). Personally I do not spend $100 on any mag no matter how good it is...not any more. For $100 I want a drum. |
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Here's some info on it, I'll know more when I see them at SHOT next week. http://militaryarms.blogspot.com/2012/01/us-palm-annouces-new-quad-stack-762x39.html |
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Quoted: If they are only going to be 45 rounders im out, being that they are US palm they will probably cost alot and i dont see any advantage or wow factor for a measily 45 rounder. They're being sold for $99.95 which is what folks are paying for the 60 round MAG-60 Surefire quad stack for the AR15/M16. |
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Quoted: I'll wait for some credible reviews (nothing from Gabe or Warriortalk) to come in before passing judgement on the mag. Can't see myself ever purchasing one. I hope they work better than the MAG-60. I didn't give it a very favorable review based on my single example. I do have it back from repairs at Surefire so we'll see in a few weeks if they improved anything. I also plan some drop tests given reports I've read that they malfunction after being dropped loaded. I hope to have one of the new US PALM mags as soon as they release for testing. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'll wait for some credible reviews (nothing from Gabe or Warriortalk) to come in before passing judgement on the mag. Can't see myself ever purchasing one. I hope they work better than the MAG-60. I didn't give it a very favorable review based on my single example. I do have it back from repairs at Surefire so we'll see in a few weeks if they improved anything. I also plan some drop tests given reports I've read that they malfunction after being dropped loaded. I hope to have one of the new US PALM mags as soon as they release for testing. You are most certainly credible. Love your reviews. |
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Here's some info on it, I'll know more when I see them at SHOT next week. Actually, that's the exact same info :-) I think the only advantage at this point is weight, when compared to a drum.... but compared to a steel RPK 40 round magazine, the advantage may be slight. Drums are well under 100 these days. I really hope they have good metal inserts front and rear with the extra weight of the additional bullets. |
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you're better off with surplus european 40rd RPK magazines This.....I would rather sacrifice 5-rounds of capacity and a little length to get a much cheaper magazine that has confirmed functional reliability In 7.62x39, I would only buy a 50-round quad stack In 5.45x39, I would only buy a 60-round quad stack And as stated above, buying any quad stack magazine should be delayed until high-round-count torture testing has been done. |
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Ugly. WHAT'S THE POINT? Buy a drum. |
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Wow, that's ugly as shit. |
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Lets see if we can guess a use for this. The mag will probably take up two cells in standard double mag pouch. So you are taking a hit in that you could carry two 30 rounders for the same space. Yet compare the weight between two steel surplus mags and 1 US palm synthetic 45 rounder and it might make sense (except for the cost issue). Personally I do not spend $100 on any mag no matter how good it is...not any more. For $100 I want a drum. This |
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How about a break-down US Palm AK that fit's inside a size 12 shoe box?? http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6716177565_d2eb0ff6d7_o.jpg thats like having a boot sticking out your receiver |
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What does the shape of the mag vs drum have to do with gripping the rifle? I ask as it is the forearm that is supposed to be grasped instead of the feeding device. Drums are super wide and it's near impossible to grip the handguard of the rifle without it getting in the way. |
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How about a break-down US Palm AK that fit's inside a size 12 shoe box?? http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6716177565_d2eb0ff6d7_o.jpg Wow, that mag is way wider than I thought it would be. |
| IMHO this offers only a small advantage in size versus a drum magazine, and offers less capacity at an unreasonable cost. A quad stack magazine would have a much bigger hit with the 5.45 crowd even at $100 since the closest competition, converted 7.62 drum magazines, are in the $300 range. Hopefully US palm has fully worked the kinks out of their magazine construction (i.e. the "gluing" issue), and steel reinforced lips and lugs is a must when you start considering the weight of the fully loaded quad stack. |
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If they are only going to be 45 rounders im out, being that they are US palm they will probably cost alot and i dont see any advantage or wow factor for a measily 45 rounder. They're being sold for $99.95 which is what folks are paying for the 60 round MAG-60 Surefire quad stack for the AR15/M16. which as you are aware is a POS. 45 rounds for $100? i'm not seeing the value over a $69-89 Romanian drum. |
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I keep seeing this "you can't grip the forearm with a drum; can't use a drum with bending unnaturally"..... TRAIN! Ever look at WWII footage of the Soviet Horde invading Berlin running with their PPSH's? Also, if you're one of these Kool-Aide drinkers, you probably use that f'ed up straight arm over the top weirdness.... But hey, I'm not going to stop progress. My real problem with this is they half assed it. A Quad stack is suppose to be double capacity, at least that's how it was originally designed by the Russians. 45rnds is selling it short, and the price point is out of line too. IMO |
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Folks were asking why this over a drum. I gave my reason. Sure it isn't impossible to use a drum, but it isn't natural, especially for smaller folks.
The other reason I'd like one of these is I often shoot from a rest, and the 30's require me to elevate the rest higher than I prefer. I am not sure it is possible to double the capacity while retaining the same length, due to the aggregation of bullets at the top. So for 60 it would have to be longer than a 30, which doesn't help me on the bench. Is it expensive, sure. It is new, unique, and risky for Palm. Weight is the other factor to consider. A 75 round drum is heavy; the 100 is ridiculous. |
| What i think that US palm is going to find out the hard way is that people arent going to be willing to shell out 80 to 100 dollars for a 30 or 45 round magazine. When people spend that kind of money on magazine they either want something that is rare and collectable or they want a high capacity magazine that holds 60 to 100 rounds. Im not going to spend 80 bucks on a 30 round mag that has a lower profile so i can shoot easier on the bench, if i want easier bench shooting ill just go buy a bunch of 20 round mags for the same price. US palms mag reliability has been questionable in the past with their glue problems and people will be less likely to risk 100 dollars on a mag that they arent 99% sure will hold together. I love the idea of quadstack mags and i would pay 100 dollars for one if they held at least 60 rounds and i could be sure that the mag would hold together. I often wonder if US Palm ever does market research before they release their mags because they want high prices for questionable quality mags in a market that has an abundance of cheap quality surplus mags. |
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I keep seeing this "you can't grip the forearm with a drum; can't use a drum with bending unnaturally"..... TRAIN! Ever look at WWII footage of the Soviet Horde invading Berlin running with their PPSH's? Also, if you're one of these Kool-Aide drinkers, you probably use that f'ed up straight arm over the top weirdness.... But hey, I'm not going to stop progress. My real problem with this is they half assed it. A Quad stack is suppose to be double capacity, at least that's how it was originally designed by the Russians. 45rnds is selling it short, and the price point is out of line too. IMO People asked for a reason why this is better than a drum, so I gave them one that I could think of. I'm not writing drums off because of one minor glitch. Just saying this is one benefit this mag has over a drum. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Quad Stack 7.62 mags (Page 1 of 2)
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