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Posted: 3/4/2011 6:33:57 PM EDT
I am trying to build my ak to be accurate to 100 yrds More would be better, heard you can make them dead on at 600 yrds I bought a buffer, new muzzle break, and ordered an 8x42 vd sniper scope from east wave. Any ideas on other upgrades to improve accuracy heard something about gas piston replacement. Any ideas Thanks Guys by the way it is a romak wasr10-63 if that helps pretty accurate at 25 yrds but i want long distance.
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Making an AK accurate at 600 yards brings to question what is considered "accurate" what is considered an "AK" and what is considered your budget? Throwing a scope on a rifle does not make it accurate, and the AK is certainly not the right platform if you're considering accuracy. Try a bolt gun if you're looking for cheap accuracy or an AR if you've got a better budget. Accurizing an AK will only get you disappointment and laughed at.
I'm a huge AK advocate but they are not precision weapons by any stretch of the imagination. And then there's the limitation of quality factory ammo. Unless you're planning to hand load for this "sniper-AK" another severe limitation will be the quality of the loads you are shooting. That in and of itself can make HUGE differences at 100 yards, let alone 600. |
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The average group for a 7.62mm AK using commercially available cartridges at 100m/y is 4" to 6". At 600 y that translates to approximately 24" to 36" groups.
Since the rifle was designed as an infantry weapon which is generally used at LESS than 100m/y, that's acceptable. You've chosen the wrong rifle for shooting at 600 y. |
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My Wasr 10/63 is capable of 3" groups at 100 yards. That equals about 18" at 600. SOME...do a bit better, alot do worse.
I'd see how it does at 100 yards and then slowly work your way out from there. 600 yards there is a LOT of drop in the 7.62X39 round. Personally I think it "can" be done, but if you want to shoot at 600 very often, I'd look hard at a PSL, FAL,etc. the X39 round just has a lot of drop. One thing I recomend, I would get some Lapua ammo and try it. Expensive, but most people say it really tightens up groups. |
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I am trying to build my ak to be accurate to 100 yrds More would be better ,heard you can make them dead on at 600 yrds I bought a buffer, new muzzle break, and ordered an 8x42 vd sniper scope from east wave. Any ideas on other upgrades to improve accuracy heard something about gas piston replacement. Any ideas Thanks Guys by the way it is a romak wasr10-63 if that helps pretty accurate at 25 yrds but i want long distance. You heard wrong, a 7.62x39 would be a huge guessing game a 600 yards. Average AK groups at a 100 will fall between 3 and 6 inches depending on rifle/ammo and shooter. |
| I would be happy if I can get a 3 - 4 in group at a hundred yards. the range i belong to only allows you to shoot any semi or full auto at the 100 yd bunker I have heard that with the right modifications you could get a grouping simillar to that at 600yd. But I agree that it is highly unlikeley , as of right now with iron sights I can keep a grouping of about 3-4 in at 25yd but cant even hit the paper at 100 so i splurged on a good scope, bore sighter, and a new tapco muzzle break not the best one but supposed to help with recoil and muzzle lift. Just hoping I can get it set for a 100yd but if I can get better than that I wouldn't complain. |
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AKs are really not that "accurate" relative to other rifles. A REAL 3-4 MOA is unrealistic for a 7.62 AK though some here will claim it I can assure you they could not put 10 rounds in 3" or probably even 4" at 100 yards in a statistically significant manner.
None of the stuff you mentioned will help at all with accuracy. Gas pistons, muzzle brakes, and buffers don't do anything for accuracy. A scope will make it easier to shoot accurately, but of course will not make the rifle "more accurate". There really isn't much practical you can do to increase the mechanical accuracy. The AK is designed to be effective to about 300 meters, asking to double that range is completely unrealistic. You wouldn't enter a Jeep in a formula one race, would you? No. You wouldn't take a formula one car out mudding, either, would you? The AK is a "Jeep" of rifles. Trying to turn it into something it isn't will only result in failure. Use the right tool for the job. How accurate are you with other rifles? I ask because your AK should be capable of better accuracy than 3-4" at 25 yards. It sounds like you're new shooter and need to spend your money on ammo and practice rather than "upgrades". You can't "buy" yourself into being a good shooter no matter how hard you try. |
| 3-4 in groups was shooting free hand at 25yd im sure if i bench shoot it would be tighter but like I said the range I belong to only alows you to shoot at 100 yrds with semi or full auto I'm trying to get them to change it to no rapid fire at 25 or 50 yd. But you say there is nothing that can be mechanicaly done to improve accuracy? It seems everyone has different opinions, the recoil buffer and muzzle break definetly helped with recoil and muzzle climb. Wish I could find some real technical data. but thanks for your input. |
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Nope. The buffer and muzzle brake may reduce felt recoil, indeed, but have no ability to reduce group size. Make sure your muzzle attachment, whatever you use, fits tightly. Wobble is normal but tight is better for accuracy.
Other than that, you'd have to tighten up the action and remove shot-to-shot variables like handgaurd attachement method. It's really not practical. A bench would be nice to gauge the rifle's accuracy indeed. Shooting standing is hard. I don't know about others, but I have really good days and really bad ones. The only way to get better is practice....it reduces the "bad days" and increases the "good ones". 
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Nope. The buffer and muzzle brake may reduce felt recoil, indeed, but have no ability to reduce group size. Make sure your muzzle attachment, whatever you use, fits tightly. Wobble is normal but tight is better for accuracy. Other than that, you'd have to tighten up the action and remove shot-to-shot variables like handgaurd attachement method. It's really not practical. A bench would be nice to gauge the rifle's accuracy indeed. Shooting standing is hard. I don't know about others, but I have really good days and really bad ones. The only way to get better is practice....it reduces the "bad days" and increases the "good ones". No such thing as a bad day shooting. 
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I am trying to build my ak to be accurate to 100 yrds More would be better, heard you can make them dead on at 600 yrds I guess you are referring to this review of the Sako RK-95. http://www.tacticalgunfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=252&Itemid=75 It seems to me the rifle is only 25% of the equation. Lapua ammo - 25% Marksmanship - 50% |
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