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With all the complaints about recent production SIG arms and the new models especially, I am going to go ahead and never buy this rifle. It has only one advantage over an AK, the selector switch. But it even lacks features, without upgrading, taht the AK has, iron sights. So what is the attraction here, besides the adjustable gas system that the AK doesn't even need? Is it that a new unproven rifle from a currently terrible company is just cooler than a battle hardened 60+ year old proven design? SIG has been a piss poor company lately, selling Chinese Aimpoint knock-offs and tactical lights for high prices. Yes it’s the buyers fault for purchasing their crap accessories, but I’m sure most of them do it based on SIG’s previously good name. I will never buy a SIG again until the moral fortitude of the company changes back to what it was. Save your money and buy another AK! AZHONKY Actually it has several advantages over current AK offerings, and those advantages were enumerated in one or two of the previous posts on this rifle. A quick recap of those advantages: 1. With the scope rail, it will be much easier to mount a wide variety of optics; 2. The cold hammer-forged, gas-nitrided barrel will likely be capable of better accuracy than what you'd normally get from an AK. 3. The SIG556 two-stage trigger is widely acknowledged to be one of the best factory triggers available in a carbine today. (This, combined with the barrel, increases the chances that it will provide greater accuracy than what one would typically expect from an AK). Like many, I'm eagerly awaiting the reviews on this rifle. In a sense, this is the rifle the original Sig 556 should have been. I see it as a modern take on the AK, with most of the features that make an AK a great rifle, plus some added features that may potentially address ergonomic issues and one of the greatest complaints about the AK: "minute of man" accuracy. If SIG gets this one right, if it proves to be durable and reliable, and if it is as accurate as it sounds like it could be, I think it will make a nice alternative to some of the more expensive 7.62 AK's on the market. It could even potentially be the "AK" that gets many AR shooters - who would have never previously considered an AK - into the AK game. That would be a good thing. |
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The biggest improvement IMO is the rail... Basically the Sig 556R is a AK/AR hybrid that is almost perfect IMO. In theory anyways... The 556's I fondled felt like shit, but the trigger is nice. The one review I found so far said the new stock and hand guards were tight now.
So if reports keep coming and they are good I may get one. If you love "western" optics (like me) for $1000 it really isn't that much more than a standard AK. Of course you need to add sights as well... Anyways: SGL21 - 750ish + tax and/or transfer fee TWS gen 2 rail - 180ish with peep Then you still don't have the folder. So if you want a folder on the SGL your looking at 50$ for a Romy folder or 150+ for a ACE or lots of modifications for a real AK poly folder. So in all reality it depends on what you want. If you want a gun you can easily mount optics on and you want the safety lever the sig is great. If you want an AK then get an AK. While similar these are two different animals and should be views as such. I personally have way to much invested in my AK74 trying to make it work better for me. It would be a lie if I said I didn't try to turn it into an AR since the 5.45 upper is what got me in the round to begin with. If it would have ran as good as my 556 AR's I would never have ventured over to the AK74 world. In short- yes I will get one of these unless Sig once again screwed it up. |
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Rails can be added to an AK, you can have one built with the barrel you want, and tune your trigger too. My point is that this is no AK and wont be around 60 years from now, but the AK will be.... again.
In fact I now feel this gun is not even worthy of being discussed in the AK forum in a comparative matter to the AK-47. I know I started the thread, sorry. AZHONKY |
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Wasn't there a problem with wear marks on the bolt or carrier with certain serial #'s? Was this problem ever worked out? GARY N4KVE Yea that was worked out IIRC. I wanted a 556 in .223 for awhile so I did some research and it seemed as if they dropped the price and raised the QC. Who knows with Sig these days...I hope this works and works well. I want a reliable 7.62x39 rifle that offers good optics mounting. |
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Is it that a new unproven rifle from a currently terrible company is just cooler than a battle hardened 60+ year old proven design? By that logic we should never design new weapons and we should all just be using M1 Garands. At one time the AK was a new, unproven rifle. I'm assuming your glad people gave it a chance to be proven and battle hardened for 60+ years? |
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Rails can be added to an AK, you can have one built with the barrel you want, and tune your trigger too. My point is that this is no AK and wont be around 60 years from now, but the AK will be.... again. In fact I now feel this gun is not even worthy of being discussed in the AK forum in a comparative matter to the AK-47. I know I started the thread, sorry. AZHONKY haha this is getting hilarious. You seem to be taking the release of Sigs new rifle as a personal insult or something. I mean really, who cares. If you aren't interested, don't buy it. No need to go around trashing a rifle you have zero experience with. |
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Rails can be added to an AK, you can have one built with the barrel you want, and tune your trigger too. My point is that this is no AK and wont be around 60 years from now, but the AK will be.... again. In fact I now feel this gun is not even worthy of being discussed in the AK forum in a comparative matter to the AK-47. I know I started the thread, sorry. AZHONKY You honestly think the AK will be around and relevant 60 years from now? It will be in a museum. The Sig 556R shares the caliber but is a step onward in so many ways it isn't even worth debating. If this 556R runs anything like my 556s in .223, it will be an incredible rifle and a screaming value at the likely street price ($950 or so). |
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Link me to some pics http://zero7one.defensemk.com/SHOT_Show_2011/slides/zero7one_SHOT_Show_2011_SIG_556R_001.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5005/5368914386_4df82d9a86_z.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5207/5368305095_90c23f8618_z.jpg |
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Quoted: +1Quoted: Rails can be added to an AK, you can have one built with the barrel you want, and tune your trigger too. My point is that this is no AK and wont be around 60 years from now, but the AK will be.... again. In fact I now feel this gun is not even worthy of being discussed in the AK forum in a comparative matter to the AK-47. I know I started the thread, sorry. AZHONKY You honestly think the AK will be around and relevant 60 years from now? It will be in a museum. The Sig 556R shares the caliber but is a step onward in so many ways it isn't even worth debating. If this 556R runs anything like my 556s in .223, it will be an incredible rifle and a screaming value at the likely street price ($950 or so). |
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This looks really interesting. Can use AK parts like mags and the bolt? Good idea.
This thing just has to have an ACOG mounted on it –– that would be a sweet combo. So this is a semi-auto only version that will be available here? http://www.ammoland.com/2011/01/18/sig-sauer-sig556r-rifle-in-762x39mm/ http://www.ammoland.com/2011/01/18/sig-sauer-sig556r-rifle-in-762x39mm/ |
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Rails can be added to an AK, you can have one built with the barrel you want, and tune your trigger too. My point is that this is no AK and wont be around 60 years from now, but the AK will be.... again. In fact I now feel this gun is not even worthy of being discussed in the AK forum in a comparative matter to the AK-47. I know I started the thread, sorry. AZHONKY You honestly think the AK will be around and relevant 60 years from now? Yes. And so will the 1911. For rugged use in dirty enviornments, where parts are scarce I (guerilla warfare), this design will be around for a very long time. The AK has been changing the face of warfare for over 60 years, and I'm guessing it has at least that much left in it. |
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Rails can be added to an AK, you can have one built with the barrel you want, and tune your trigger too. My point is that this is no AK and wont be around 60 years from now, but the AK will be.... again. In fact I now feel this gun is not even worthy of being discussed in the AK forum in a comparative matter to the AK-47. I know I started the thread, sorry. AZHONKY You honestly think the AK will be around and relevant 60 years from now? It will be in a museum. The Sig 556R shares the caliber but is a step onward in so many ways it isn't even worth debating. If this 556R runs anything like my 556s in .223, it will be an incredible rifle and a screaming value at the likely street price ($950 or so). I'm not a super huge AK fan if you want some background. IMO the AK will for sure be 100 year rifle. Sure the parts kits will have dried up by then but I really think between the sheer number of rifles that will be out there and the fact that USA manfacturing could pick up part of that slack I think the AK will be around for another 30-40 years at least. When it comes down to it, the availability of 7.62x39 will really be the deciding factor cause new production brass 7.62x39 isn't cheap if that's all we had to rely on. |
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This looks really interesting. Can use AK parts like mags and the bolt? Good idea. This thing just has to have an ACOG mounted on it –– that would be a sweet combo. So this is a semi-auto only version that will be available here? http://www.ammoland.com/2011/01/18/sig-sauer-sig556r-rifle-in-762x39mm/ http://www.ammoland.com/2011/01/18/sig-sauer-sig556r-rifle-in-762x39mm/ Yes |
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I think it is an interesting alternative to the AK platform. I have several different once and to have another option why not. I sure will not jump on it right away - would like to see some reviews and Videos on it and see it in person and than perhaps get one.
As to the quality problems with SIG I must say that I have several SIG hand guns and have no issue what so ever. It is possible to have problems with any platform wither Handgun or Rifle. |
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when I saw this, I thought about replacing my Bulgy with this one, but on second thought, I think I will keep it.
Parts are going to be more expensive and less available. Just about the only advantage I see is the ability to easily mount optics. And that's a big advantage to be sure. I have never seen a satisfactory optics system for the AK. Nothing that mounts on the dust cover inspires confidence. Just a tiny fraction of a MM and you will be off if you don't return to zero. I thought this would look nice with an ACOG but I already have other stuff with ACOG 3.5x35mm. AK is a nice carbine even with iron sights. That makes it very light and compact and hard to destroy. So "it depends". 556R range report: http://www.sigarms556.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10411 |
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I like it. if it proves as good as the 556 variant in...5.56, I will be very interested in trading my Arsenal in on one.
Big disadvantage for me is the (to me) overly complex gas system with the huge SS nut on the front of the rifle. Weight may be an issue. Safety, optics rail, accuracy, and ability to take AK mags a big plus. I think it shares enoug design details to be worthy of inclusion in the AK section. thanks for the thread, AZHONKY! |
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I like it. if it proves as good as the 556 variant in...5.56, I will be very interested in trading my Arsenal in on one. Big disadvantage for me is the (to me) overly complex gas system with the huge SS nut on the front of the rifle. Weight may be an issue. Safety, optics rail, accuracy, and ability to take AK mags a big plus. I think it shares enoug design details to be worthy of inclusion in the AK section. thanks for the thread, AZHONKY! Weight shouldn't be too much of an issue unless people go crazy with accessories, as sometimes happens with AR's. The SIG556R weighs 7 pounds, which is comparable to the SGL21 that weighs in at 7.15 pounds. Even with an optic, it shouldn't be too much of a pig. And although I wouldn't flat-out call this rifle an "AK", I agree...it is similar enough that comparing it to an AK is not a stretch. I think of it as a "modernized AK" that alleviates some of the biggest complaints about the AK. And the thought of having a 7.62x39 rifle like this that could legitimately fulfill both CQB and DMR rolls, is exciting. |
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Wasn't there a problem with wear marks on the bolt or carrier with certain serial #'s? Was this problem ever worked out? GARY N4KVE It was a bad run done in 2009, it has been corrected and it only affected those with a certain serial number cluster with a manufacture date in 2009. My 556 was built July 2010 and its flawless, except for one tiny issue with the folding stock retention clip, which I permanently fixed with $0.20 worth of epoxy (as Sig recommends if you have this issue). |
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Quoted: I need to see proof that it is in fact 7lbs. Every 556 I have felt is heavier than that, but I am interested unless it weighs a ton. I will probably add a 1-4x to it so it will be a fairly heavy pig. I adhere to the Boris the Blade theory of firearms design.  |
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I need to see proof that it is in fact 7lbs. Every 556 I have felt is heavier than that, but I am interested unless it weighs a ton. I will probably add a 1-4x to it so it will be a fairly heavy pig. Well, 7lbs. is SIG's claim. And yes, the standard 5.56mm SIG556 weighs 8.2 pounds. So unless SIG is lying (and I'd hope they'd be smarter than that), this rifle should feel better than the older 5556's. Spec Sheet on SIG556R |
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With all the complaints about recent production SIG arms and the new models especially, I am going to go ahead and never buy this rifle. It has only one advantage over an AK, the selector switch. But it even lacks features, without upgrading, taht the AK has, iron sights. So what is the attraction here, besides the adjustable gas system that the AK doesn't even need? AZHONKY I love AKs as much as anyone but they are NOT the only rifles I own. 
And despite all the SIG bashing I have three SIG pistols and will own more. 
I'm willing to bet that the new SIG will outshoot ANY factory AK even with wolf ammo. 
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Not just some of the responses to this post but it seems like a lot lately that I just don't get it. So many like the AK but...... it's an antiquated pos. Then why hang out at an AK forum? I have other rifles too. If I felt they were superior I wouldn't waste my time here.  I guess I just don't have enough time to waste expounding on things that I don't believe in for conversations sake, How enriching. With my limited time budget and capacity for extraneous material I'd have to head for the AR side or the Sig board or whatever it was that I thought was so much preferable to the AK that I had to come here to sing of it's superiority. Whatever it may be please do let it be known how your lastest fad is doing ten years from now or how about even five, how many countries issue it and when it hits a hundred million copies. Since the laws of physics aren't likely to change... until defensive weapons move beyond the current technology there is nothing to change my belief in the AK design even if a new gadget is a little more accurate or you can stand in front of the mirror and change magazines and work the safety really, really fast.
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Not just some of the responses to this post but it seems like a lot lately that I just don't get it. So many like the AK but...... it's an antiquated pos. Then why hang out at an AK forum? I have other rifles too. If I felt they were superior I wouldn't waste my time here. I guess I just don't have enough time to waste expounding on things that I don't believe in for conversations sake, How enriching. With my limited time budget and capacity for extraneous material I'd have to head for the AR side or the Sig board or whatever it was that I thought was so much preferable to the AK that I had to come here to sing of it's superiority. Whatever it may be please do let it be known how your lastest fad is doing ten years from now or how about even five, how many countries issue it and when it hits a hundred million copies. Since the laws of physics aren't likely to change... until defensive weapons move beyond the current technology there is nothing to change my belief in the AK design even if a new gadget is a little more accurate or you can stand in front of the mirror and change magazines and work the safety really, really fast.Agreed completely. AZHONKY |
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Not just some of the responses to this post but it seems like a lot lately that I just don't get it. So many like the AK but...... it's an antiquated pos. Then why hang out at an AK forum? I have other rifles too. If I felt they were superior I wouldn't waste my time here. I guess I just don't have enough time to waste expounding on things that I don't believe in for conversations sake, How enriching. With my limited time budget and capacity for extraneous material I'd have to head for the AR side or the Sig board or whatever it was that I thought was so much preferable to the AK that I had to come here to sing of it's superiority. Whatever it may be please do let it be known how your lastest fad is doing ten years from now or how about even five, how many countries issue it and when it hits a hundred million copies. Since the laws of physics aren't likely to change... until defensive weapons move beyond the current technology there is nothing to change my belief in the AK design even if a new gadget is a little more accurate or you can stand in front of the mirror and change magazines and work the safety really, really fast.If you don't want it, don't buy it. Who gives a shit what other people want or like. This Sig seems like a nice gun to me, but I have no desire to buy one. |
| it looks funny to me, esp the mag release part. but I got a feeling it will outshoot 7.62 AKs as well. but the SIG is definitely derived from the AK47, same rotating bolt/carrier/piston. it is the highest evolution of the AK. I'm glad they did away w/the AK's top cover & went to a AR type setup so u can finally mount optics to the upper. |
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Don't call it German. There's no way the Germans would make such hunks of shit as the Sig 556 series. They are actually extremely robust and reliable rifles. Cheap accessories and some questionable furniture choices (on the early ones)? Yes, but solid overall and a great value in an age of $2,000+ wonder rifles. |
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