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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:12:19 PM EDT
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This guy does it in about 1 second or so it seems. Opinions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkhq_3nKoyg&feature=channel |
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in combat, realistically you are better off doing it behind cover, unless its a 3-gun competition, just get behind cover and reload This. If you have expended your magazine and are still standing in the open you have failed. Reloading quickly is nowhere near as necessary as finding decent cover. |
| I never could get used to knocking the empty mag out with the fresh mag. It is just too fine of a motor skill for me. I can only imagine it being even more difficult under stress. I know it's not ideal for accuracy, but I adopted the "mag hold" which has helped a bit with mag changes since my thumb is already close to the mag latch. |
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I never could get used to knocking the empty mag out with the fresh mag. It is just too fine of a motor skill for me. I can only imagine it being even more difficult under stress. I know it's not ideal for accuracy, but I adopted the "mag hold" which has helped a bit with mag changes since my thumb is already close to the mag latch. +1, I use the same technique. I find it plenty fast and works well while moving also... but the tradeoff for me is that its not terribly fast when shooting offhand. More practice offhand would probably help, as it would with any of these skills. Z |
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I think it is a poor idea. But then, I don't consider magazines an expendable item. And for those who say "you can go back and collect your mags" in some of the training I did in the Army, my squad would end up several clicks from where the engagement started with no realistic way to go back and recover mags.
I teach a technique which I developed based on the Israeli 2- mag galil clamp. which holds the second mag slightly higher than the one in the gun. I just do the mag change as if the two mags were clamped together in this offset "V" shape, but using my hand as the clamp. I made a video but being incompetent at all things digital, have been unable to post it on youtube (anyone walk me through this?) Anyway, it has the dual benefit of retaining your magazine and allowing a "tactical reload" to a not-quite empty magazine. Simply grasp the new magazine toward the bottom, pointy side forward. Place it along side the magazine that is in the gun, which you grasp in the middle. Activate the mag catch, rock forward., The top of that magazine is now far below the top of the new mag so there is no obstruction in moving your fresh mag over and rocking it in. Stuff empty inside your jacket (if not wearing armor) or in your dump pouch. It is smooth, and doesn't require you run the mag dry to change mags.Nor do you lose your mags. I ran this by an instructor who is well regarded in the AK community, and who recommends removing old mag, putting away, taking out new mag and inserting it. His point is that it is a larger muscle movement and less likely to fumble. I've done it thousands of times both ways and don't see any additional fumbling with my method, and it is definitely faster. So anyway, I had a You tube account once, and don't remember the password and "email password" doesn't work and I tried to open a new account, but I must be a maroon because I can't seem to make it happen. For the first user name, it said I had to sign in through yahoo where the account was created (it wasn't) and now it wants my google account, which I also don't have, I use my own POP3 through another provider and have never had, nor want, a google account. the video is 3 minutes, MP4 and 225 MB |
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in combat, realistically you are better off doing it behind cover, unless its a 3-gun competition, just get behind cover and reload This. If you have expended your magazine and are still standing in the open you have failed. Reloading quickly is nowhere near as necessary as finding decent cover. Ah, that's easy enough to say, but you really never know what you'll run into if you're talking about actual combat situations. Getting caught in an open area during a far ambush will put you in a situation where you will just be dumping rounds to fight thru the ambush without any cover around. Or you could be bounding towards an objective thru an open area while under fire. Again, very little cover and no real way to just move to it for a reload. Or you could be clearing a building.. sure, you can reload before you go to the next room, but you have no idea if someones about to come thru the door. Speed reloads are a necessary skill and shouldn't be discounted because "you should be reloading behind cover." I was an infantryman in the 82nd Abn for 5 years(03-08), so I've been around the block with this a few hundred times. |
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I teach a technique which I developed based on the Israeli 2- mag galil clamp. which holds the second mag slightly higher than the one in the gun. I just do the mag change as if the two mags were clamped together in this offset "V" shape, but using my hand as the clamp. I made a video but being incompetent at all things digital, have been unable to post it on youtube (anyone walk me through this?) Anyway, it has the dual benefit of retaining your magazine and allowing a "tactical reload" to a not-quite empty magazine. Simply grasp the new magazine toward the bottom, pointy side forward. Place it along side the magazine that is in the gun, which you grasp in the middle. Activate the mag catch, rock forward., The top of that magazine is now far below the top of the new mag so there is no obstruction in moving your fresh mag over and rocking it in. Stuff empty inside your jacket (if not wearing armor) or in your dump pouch. It is smooth, and doesn't require you run the mag dry to change mags.Nor do you lose your mags. nice.. the bang the mag out method sucks. that being said im runnig for cover if my mag runs dry... or im on the deck (no cover) reloading.. always retain the mag unless you know its empty is my though edit edit.. that dude was SMMOOOTTTHH.. smooth = fast.. that being said.. i suspect I will NEvER need to reload that rapidly.. im more concerned he can shoot better than I.. thats whats counts |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcA3j0R6gSE
Best I can do (was actually seeing if the rifle was properly repaired from CAI). A little more realistic when you are actually feeding and operating the weapon. |
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in combat, realistically you are better off doing it behind cover, unless its a 3-gun competition, just get behind cover and reload This. If you have expended your magazine and are still standing in the open you have failed. Reloading quickly is nowhere near as necessary as finding decent cover. Ah, that's easy enough to say, but you really never know what you'll run into if you're talking about actual combat situations. Getting caught in an open area during a far ambush will put you in a situation where you will just be dumping rounds to fight thru the ambush without any cover around. Or you could be bounding towards an objective thru an open area while under fire. Again, very little cover and no real way to just move to it for a reload. Or you could be clearing a building.. sure, you can reload before you go to the next room, but you have no idea if someones about to come thru the door. Speed reloads are a necessary skill and shouldn't be discounted because "you should be reloading behind cover." I was an infantryman in the 82nd Abn for 5 years(03-08), so I've been around the block with this a few hundred times. Standing upright in the situations you've described will probably get you dead if you happen to be fighting a skilled, disciplined enemy and might get you dead even if the enemy is a rag tag collection of untrained individuals who pull the trigger and pray. There's even less chance of surviving such an encounter without a squad or platoon around you. In any event, there's no reason to attempt to change a magazine standing up, since you can always lie down and reduce your exposure. And I've been around the block myself, having been on the wrong side of an ambush or two and having spent more than my share of time lying in the mud. Last, anyone who's a devotee of high speed magazine changes should try this exercise: Buy a cheap pair of gloves. Wrap two layers of electrical tape around each finger and thumb. Try a magazine change wearing the gloves. Now ask yourself this question: Would I survive performing that magazine change standing on my feet, in the open if someone was shooting at me? |
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in combat, realistically you are better off doing it behind cover, unless its a 3-gun competition, just get behind cover and reload This. If you have expended your magazine and are still standing in the open you have failed. Reloading quickly is nowhere near as necessary as finding decent cover. Ah, that's easy enough to say, but you really never know what you'll run into if you're talking about actual combat situations. Getting caught in an open area during a far ambush will put you in a situation where you will just be dumping rounds to fight thru the ambush without any cover around. Or you could be bounding towards an objective thru an open area while under fire. Again, very little cover and no real way to just move to it for a reload. Or you could be clearing a building.. sure, you can reload before you go to the next room, but you have no idea if someones about to come thru the door. Speed reloads are a necessary skill and shouldn't be discounted because "you should be reloading behind cover." I was an infantryman in the 82nd Abn for 5 years(03-08), so I've been around the block with this a few hundred times. Standing upright in the situations you've described will probably get you dead if you happen to be fighting a skilled, disciplined enemy and might get you dead even if the enemy is a rag tag collection of untrained individuals who pull the trigger and pray. There's even less chance of surviving such an encounter without a squad or platoon around you. In any event, there's no reason to attempt to change a magazine standing up, since you can always lie down and reduce your exposure. And I've been around the block myself, having been on the wrong side of an ambush or two and having spent more than my share of time lying in the mud. Last, anyone who's a devotee of high speed magazine changes should try this exercise: Buy a cheap pair of gloves. Wrap two layers of electrical tape around each finger and thumb. Try a magazine change wearing the gloves. Now ask yourself this question: Would I survive performing that magazine change standing on my feet, in the open if someone was shooting at me? COMPLETELY AgREED... my post above semi reflects that |
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in combat, realistically you are better off doing it behind cover, unless its a 3-gun competition, just get behind cover and reload This. If you have expended your magazine and are still standing in the open you have failed. Reloading quickly is nowhere near as necessary as finding decent cover. Ah, that's easy enough to say, but you really never know what you'll run into if you're talking about actual combat situations. Getting caught in an open area during a far ambush will put you in a situation where you will just be dumping rounds to fight thru the ambush without any cover around. Or you could be bounding towards an objective thru an open area while under fire. Again, very little cover and no real way to just move to it for a reload. Or you could be clearing a building.. sure, you can reload before you go to the next room, but you have no idea if someones about to come thru the door. Speed reloads are a necessary skill and shouldn't be discounted because "you should be reloading behind cover." I was an infantryman in the 82nd Abn for 5 years(03-08), so I've been around the block with this a few hundred times. Standing upright in the situations you've described will probably get you dead if you happen to be fighting a skilled, disciplined enemy and might get you dead even if the enemy is a rag tag collection of untrained individuals who pull the trigger and pray. There's even less chance of surviving such an encounter without a squad or platoon around you. In any event, there's no reason to attempt to change a magazine standing up, since you can always lie down and reduce your exposure. And I've been around the block myself, having been on the wrong side of an ambush or two and having spent more than my share of time lying in the mud. Last, anyone who's a devotee of high speed magazine changes should try this exercise: Buy a cheap pair of gloves. Wrap two layers of electrical tape around each finger and thumb. Try a magazine change wearing the gloves. Now ask yourself this question: Would I survive performing that magazine change standing on my feet, in the open if someone was shooting at me? Ok, I suppose I should have pointed out that when out in the open and under fire, you will by laying in the prone. That is just one of those things that is simply understood to me, so I didn't really mention it. I've put my boot in the asses of many privates who didn't get this concept. Obviously doing high speed mag changes in front of a mirror at home is way different than being under fire. However, going thru the motions thousands of times creates muscle memory and makes you faster than you were before in any situation. Yeah, you will never be as fast underfire as you are in your bathroom.. obviously. I say it's a necessary skill to be able to reload quick because the less time you have a weapon with no ammo in it, the better. You never know what you'll run into in a firefight. Your cover can quickly become null and void if whoever you are fighting decides to split up and come around from the side of you that is exposed. Now I'll throw out there that I don't train for any of this crap..haha I don't obsess over SHTF or any Red Dawn event. |
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Practicing magazine changes standing up makes it more likely that you'll attempt it when under pressure. The result may well be fatal.
If you intend to change magazines while on the ground, practice it that way. Better yet, try it lying in the mud. You'll discover a few interesting things, like the fact that your HSLD open top pouches let the mud cover the magazines, making them slippery. And you'll discover that when you hold the rifle in your right hand and roll to the right, the operating handle ends up covered in mud and ... you guessed it, slippery. Your muscle memory developed in the bathroom won't help you cope with either of those situations. |
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I think it is a poor idea. But then, I don't consider magazines an expendable item. And for those who say "you can go back and collect your mags" in some of the training I did in the Army, my squad would end up several clicks from where the engagement started with no realistic way to go back and recover mags. I teach a technique which I developed based on the Israeli 2- mag galil clamp. which holds the second mag slightly higher than the one in the gun. I just do the mag change as if the two mags were clamped together in this offset "V" shape, but using my hand as the clamp. I made a video but being incompetent at all things digital, have been unable to post it on youtube (anyone walk me through this?) Anyway, it has the dual benefit of retaining your magazine and allowing a "tactical reload" to a not-quite empty magazine. Simply grasp the new magazine toward the bottom, pointy side forward. Place it along side the magazine that is in the gun, which you grasp in the middle. Activate the mag catch, rock forward., The top of that magazine is now far below the top of the new mag so there is no obstruction in moving your fresh mag over and rocking it in. Stuff empty inside your jacket (if not wearing armor) or in your dump pouch. It is smooth, and doesn't require you run the mag dry to change mags.Nor do you lose your mags. I ran this by an instructor who is well regarded in the AK community, and who recommends removing old mag, putting away, taking out new mag and inserting it. His point is that it is a larger muscle movement and less likely to fumble. I've done it thousands of times both ways and don't see any additional fumbling with my method, and it is definitely faster. So anyway, I had a You tube account once, and don't remember the password and "email password" doesn't work and I tried to open a new account, but I must be a maroon because I can't seem to make it happen. For the first user name, it said I had to sign in through yahoo where the account was created (it wasn't) and now it wants my google account, which I also don't have, I use my own POP3 through another provider and have never had, nor want, a google account. the video is 3 minutes, MP4 and 225 MB you got a link to this video? |
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