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Posted: 1/15/2011 3:08:23 AM EDT
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was reading this post: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=133576
I dont understand the 922R law. Chinese Mac 90 as the example....Is it ok to own and or shoot if its 100% orig. all chinese parts ? Once you put one US made part on ( such as a new stock) you have to make it 922R with the rest of the required # of US parts? I am thinking YES and YES but want to be sure I am reading things correctly |
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ANY legally imported firearm which remains in it's original configuration is legal to own under FEDERAL LAW. 922R prohibits individuals from ASSEMBLING a "nonsporting" semiauto weapon with 10 or more foreign parts. If you read the information at this link , you should be able to better understand the law. http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/BuildAkVerifyCompliance 
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was reading this post: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=133576 I dont understand the 922R law. Chinese Mac 90 as the example....Is it ok to own and or shoot if its 100% orig. all chinese parts ? Once you put one US made part on ( such as a new stock) you have to make it 922R with the rest of the required # of US parts? I am thinking YES and YES but want to be sure I am reading things correctly If you change the configuration to one which is not approved for importation (like removing the stock and replacing it with a standard stock and pistol grip) you can't use more than 10 countable foreign made parts. If you change a part which doesn't alter the configuration (like the gas piston) you do not have to comply with the regulations which implement 18 USC 922 (r). |
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The regulation regarding repair or replacement of parts on rifles imported before the BushI administration changed the interpretation of what qualified under the "sporting use" requirement is less than crystal clear, but in general it's thought that 18 USC 922(r) does not apply to rifles imported before July 1989.
In any case, replacing a standard AK stock which was imported with a standard AK stock that was made in the US does not require you to replace other foreign made parts. |
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So if you bought it in the 80s and it is preban, and you change the stock to American. Why he did that I don't know. Would you then have to the make it 922r? And just remember, there is no such thing as a pre-ban MAK-90. "MAK" means Modified AK, as in modified to comply with the ban. If you bought a genuine pre-ban AK, you're free to do with it as you wish and do not have to comply with 922r. |
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So if you bought it in the 80s and it is preban, and you change the stock to American. Why he did that I don't know. Would you then have to the make it 922r? You can do basically whatever you want to a legit preban gun without having to worry about 922r. Just remember that it's easy to confuse preban when it comes to AK's because it's different than AR's. Preban AKs were imported prior to 1989, where preban AR's were made prior to the (now history) 1994 ban. So an AK that was imported in 1991 would still be subject to the 1989 imported assault weapons ban. If you're confused just find out what model the AK you are looking at is a post it here, we'll tell you what the deal is. |
| He's got a preban it's an older dude, that bought it in the 80s he even has the receipt . Never even fired it. It's a Norinco not a MAK. I don't know what kind though. Had that red plastic furniture on it, that he actually messed up taking it off, I told him to be careful. He wanted wood, so I directed him to Ironwood. Looks good, but I would have left it. |
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was reading this post: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=133576 I dont understand the 922R law. Chinese Mac 90 as the example....Is it ok to own and or shoot if its 100% orig. all chinese parts ? Once you put one US made part on ( such as a new stock) you have to make it 922R with the rest of the required # of US parts? I am thinking YES and YES but want to be sure I am reading things correctly 922r is to prevent people from circumventing regulations on importations of firearms. An enterprising dealer could just import the parts to an AK-74 and build it himself rather than import the whole rifle. A long while back, it used to be perfectly legal to import "assault weapons", with bayonet lugs, threaded barrels and all; hence you could get yourself a MAK-90 for less than 250$ new in box. Of course, the ATF reinterpreted the import laws and banned the importation of Norinco firearms. anyway, with 922r, you have to have a certain amount of US made parts in your rifle for it to qualify as "Made in the USA", hence why almost all AKs out there have Tapco G2 trigger groups. That said, You can buy the MAK-90 if it was imported before 1992 (I think). If someone is selling a MAK-90 that was built yesterday, he's breaking a whole smorgasbord of federal laws. |
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A long while back, it used to be perfectly legal to import "assault weapons", with bayonet lugs, threaded barrels and all; hence you could get yourself a MAK-90 for less than 250$ new in box. MAK-90s were never imported with pistol grips, bayonet lugs or threaded barrels. MAKSs were developed to comply with the 1989 (decades before you were born) reinterpretation of the sporting use provision of the law. Have you considered actually going to a gun show or shop (with your father of course) and asking a dealer if you can hold some of these rifles BEFORE you post your misinformation? |
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Of course, the ATF reinterpreted the import laws and banned the importation of Norinco firearms. Actually I think it was George W.'s daddy who did that in 1989. No more Chinese rifles could come in, and those that were already here had to be modified before sale to the public –– spawning the MAK90, NHM91, etc. |
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was reading this post: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=133576 I dont understand the 922R law. Chinese Mac 90 as the example....Is it ok to own and or shoot if its 100% orig. all chinese parts ? Once you put one US made part on ( such as a new stock) you have to make it 922R with the rest of the required # of US parts? I am thinking YES and YES but want to be sure I am reading things correctly 922r is to prevent people from circumventing regulations on importations of firearms. An enterprising dealer could just import the parts to an AK-74 and build it himself rather than import the whole rifle. A long while back, it used to be perfectly legal to import "assault weapons", with bayonet lugs, threaded barrels and all; hence you could get yourself a MAK-90 for less than 250$ new in box. Of course, the ATF reinterpreted the import laws and banned the importation of Norinco firearms. anyway, with 922r, you have to have a certain amount of US made parts in your rifle for it to qualify as "Made in the USA", hence why almost all AKs out there have Tapco G2 trigger groups. That said, You can buy the MAK-90 if it was imported before 1992 (I think). If someone is selling a MAK-90 that was built yesterday, he's breaking a whole smorgasbord of federal laws. WHAT!? Your info is way off. I mean WAY off. 1. MAK-90s were never imported with the evil features that defined then as assault weapons. While some did have threaded barrels, they had nuts or covers on the threaded ends, they were welded on to prevent removal. 2. The "certain number of US parts" is incorrect. Actually, the law reads that no more than 10 parts can be imported, so the number of required US parts depends on the the gun's configuration. 3. TAPCO FCGs have nothing to do with the AKs out there. 922r allows you to mix and match parts to come up with the 10 or less result. How anyone achieves that is up to them. Therefore, you could buy a milled MAK-90 and put on some Ironwood furniture, replace the follower in the magazine (not touch the FCG), and be perfectly compliant. 4. You can buy any MAK-90 you want, regardless of the date it was built. That is irrelevant. MAK-90s are perfectly legal to own. 5. No MAK-90s were built yesterday, making the violation of federal laws for buying one a non-issue. |
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Thanks for the input.
I decided to keep all my parts intact and not change the guns configuration I sanded the stock down so that its grip is nicer (for me). I got a good deal on the gun $350 and cant see putting hundreds more into it so that I can change out the stock. is there a way to tell the mfg date from the serial number? 
?? no picture? link to pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sailmirage/5366340123/in/photostream/ |
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922r is to prevent people from circumventing regulations on importations of firearms. An enterprising dealer could just import the parts to an AK-74 and build it himself rather than import the whole rifle. A long while back, it used to be perfectly legal to import "assault weapons", with bayonet lugs, threaded barrels and all; hence you could get yourself a MAK-90 for less than 250$ new in box. Of course, the ATF reinterpreted the import laws and banned the importation of Norinco firearms. anyway, with 922r, you have to have a certain amount of US made parts in your rifle for it to qualify as "Made in the USA", hence why almost all AKs out there have Tapco G2 trigger groups. That said, You can buy the MAK-90 if it was imported before 1992 (I think). If someone is selling a MAK-90 that was built yesterday, he's breaking a whole smorgasbord of federal laws. you really have no idea what you're talking about. let me try to clarify. 1) MAK-90 didn't exist prior to 1994 AWB since (as another poster said) it means 'modified AK', i.e., no bayo, no pistol grip. Modified meaning that it complies with federal regulations regarding 'assault weapons' (a now defunct term since the law itself redefined 'assault weapon') 2) a 'MAK' build yesterday wouldn't break any laws. there is nothing illegal about the MAK assuming it complied with the importation laws of parts currently (just as any other rifle would have had to in 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, etc etc etc. that said, they are not built because they are not built (see 3). thus this point is pointless. 3) note, people do not 'build MAKs' currently because the reason to build them is not there. there is no AWB to avoid. 922 != AWB 94' 4) you can indeed import rifles with bayonet lugs, evil features, etc. 5) to my knowledge the ATF has never 'reinterpreted' anything except the rule regarding the importation of barrels in parts kits- especially not to specifically ban the importation of norinco firearms. (with the exception of the rules on importation offered during the AWB 94'). if i'm wrong about a general ban on norinco not linked to 94' i'm not aware of it (although i may well be wrong on this, so i'm hesitant to post it). 6) AWB 94' expired after a 10 year sunset.. e.g., 2004. hope that clears up some things. I really think you should read a bit more on the forums and even wikipedia. it would do you well because it seems in general that you are not understanding the way the two laws differ and how they interact with one another. |
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Thanks for the input. I decided to keep all my parts intact and not change the guns configuration I sanded the stock down so that its grip is nicer (for me). I got a good deal on the gun $350 and cant see putting hundreds more into it so that I can change out the stock. is there a way to tell the mfg date from the serial number? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sailmirage/5366340123/in/photostream/ ?? no picture? link to pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sailmirage/5366340123/in/photostream/ You got a milled MAK90 for $350. A steal. |
| I did my stamped MAK90 on the cheap. No need to spend a lot to make it look "right". I went to IWD (Ironwood Design) and looked on their woodpile section for a "seconds" stock set. I got it shipped for about $48. Another $25 or so for the Tapco fire control gourp and that was all I needed. |
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[1) MAK-90 didn't exist prior to 1994 AWB Almost correct. The Modified AK (19)90 was produced to meet the Bush I administration's changed interpretation of the "sporting use" requirement. That change took place on 1989. The rifle was first produced and imported in late '89 or early '90. |
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Has anyone, ever been prosecuted for a 922R violation? No one knows. Since 90+% of federal prosecutions end with a plea bargain, there's no way to determine whether someone was charged and pled guilty without checking the records of every district court clerk in the country. And even if no one has been prosecuted up to today, that's no guarantee that it won't happen next week, next month or next year. |
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