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Posted: 8/25/2010 7:31:27 PM EDT
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I want to sell my AR and buy an AK because the AR has too many parts and it pisses me off how expensive stuff is and is heavy as hell compared to an AK.
I want to know what is the accuracy of a 74 at 100 yds...most likely I will want a 47 so I can go boar hunting with it.. What's the best group you guys got from the 47 at 100 yds. I know its not accurate. But it will do the job... |
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An AR-15 is about 1"-2" weapon.
A high quality 74 is about a 2"-3" weapon (I've heard claims of 1.5" groups) A low quality 74 is about a 3"-4" weapon A high quality 47 is about a 3"-4" weapon (I've seen 2.5" with a milled Arsenal) A low qualilty 47 is about a 4"-5" weapon. Of course the shooter and the ammo used can have a significant effect on accuracy. |
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An Ak round 3" either way- left or right of ur heart make no difference (combat accuracy) whats up "t" wait till you see my S12k Yes and no. The original grouping is in a perfect situation from bench rest likely. A 3" group with an AK is 3x larger than an A/R. In a combat situation where your A/R groupings might be more like 6 - 12 inches minute of man at 100 yards, suddenly your AK grouping is 18 - 36 inches under the same situation/stress. Either way, you wont be at a disadvantage using either firearm. I sure wouldn't want to be shot at with either. I just wanted to point out that it's more than only a few inches difference, it a multiple factor. |
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The 74 will take down a boar. I kill them with my AR all day long using 55gr FMJ. Behind the shoulder and they domino. I also knock down my dear with my AR. None have yet made it more than a few feet if they didn't drop right here. Behind the shoulder, and they are dead meat. The .223/5.56 round hits hard, and does a good amount of damage. Now elk, I would have to go with something larger lol. Largest boar was 375lbs. I hit him with a 55gr at roughly 50 yards, and it tipped over like a truck hit it, kicked its legs 4 or 5 times and died right there quickly. Don't listen to the dirty harry folks who think you need a 300 to kill anything.
My buddy, the same day I shot that big boar was teasing me about using the AR. He just got back from alaska gizzy hunting with his 300. When he shot his 250lb boar behind the shoulder, it rand 100 yards and took 20 minutes to die. |
| Ok let me start off by saying I am not bashing either weapon system here, but unless you cover an AR in a bunch of low quality crap it will not be a "heavy" weapon compared to an AK. My 14.5'' BCM AR with a VLTOR stock and aimpoint weighs the same as my AK74....which has no optics. |
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The 74 will take down a boar. I kill them with my AR all day long using 55gr FMJ. Behind the shoulder and they domino. I also knock down my dear with my AR. None have yet made it more than a few feet if they didn't drop right here. Behind the shoulder, and they are dead meat. The .223/5.56 round hits hard, and does a good amount of damage. Now elk, I would have to go with something larger lol. Largest boar was 375lbs. I hit him with a 55gr at roughly 50 yards, and it tipped over like a truck hit it, kicked its legs 4 or 5 times and died right there quickly. Don't listen to the dirty harry folks who think you need a 300 to kill anything. My buddy, the same day I shot that big boar was teasing me about using the AR. He just got back from alaska gizzy hunting with his 300. When he shot his 250lb boar behind the shoulder, it rand 100 yards and took 20 minutes to die. dam dude where do you live? good reading. |
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get a Colt SP1. it's super light. the 20" barrel + the 1:12 twist rate will produce a terrible wound *with 55 GR. FMJ*.
i have personally looked at the wounds produced by a Colt 6921 (62 GR. FMJ) and SP1 (55 GR. FMJ). the exit wound produced by the SP1 is catastrophic and nauseous to look at. |
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An AR-15 is about 1"-2" weapon. A high quality 74 is about a 2"-3" weapon (I've heard claims of 1.5" groups) A low quality 74 is about a 3"-4" weapon A high quality 47 is about a 3"-4" weapon (I've seen 2.5" with a milled Arsenal) A low qualilty 47 is about a 4"-5" weapon. Of course the shooter and the ammo used can have a significant effect on accuracy. Well stated Sir 
I have some high quality 74's that yield about 3" groups (10shots) and as low as 1.5" groups (5shots). Once the barrel is Hot, accuracy is out the door. 
My AR can give me SubMOA w/ the right ammo and still give me 2" w/ surplus (both 10shot groups). A lot less effected by heat as well. xm193 > 5.45 Surplus for hogs 
Talk about trying to squeeze out accuracy 
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I hear a lot of peopl saying that the 223 round is bad...been told that its good for boar and not for deer...so that why I am debating to sell m ar for a higher caliberr 1:9 = 69gr 1:7 = 75gr or 77gr 70gr Barnes is badass, espically if you dont want any fagmentation. |
| I have my rifle now that is basically an M4 with 1x7 twist...its a nice rifle and I like it but if I try and make it to a hunting gun then I gotta get a FF handguard and its gunna be a pain....but if you can guarentee a deer with a 55 gr then I will put my money into my AR to make it a hunting rifle |
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I have my rifle now that is basically an M4 with 1x7 twist...its a nice rifle and I like it but if I try and make it to a hunting gun then I gotta get a FF handguard and its gunna be a pain....but if you can guarentee a deer with a 55 gr then I will put my money into my AR to make it a hunting rifle My personal choice is 75gr TAP. Very reliable fragmentation and penetration. Some posted pix of kills out to 225 yards w/ great success. Hell w/ good shot placement 53gr 5.45 will take a deer down w/o an issue. Killed a doe last season, one shot and she fell dead ~35 yards off. |
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Quoted: but if you can guarentee a deer with a 55 gr then I will put my money into my AR to make it a hunting rifle
Your .223 will kill a lot of deer.....if you make a perfect shot. Make a bad shot or shoot one where tracking is tough and you will end up with a sad face and a wasted deer. If you can be patient and have the opportunity to wait on a perfect broadside double lung shot you should be good to go. If you dont I would find a decent used bolt action in a real deer caliber- .308, .270, 30-06, etc. Lots of good deals out there for under $400. They are much more forgiving on shoulder, liver, and odd angle shots as well as accurate. Keep the AR for fun and get an AK for fun too when you can afford it. |
| 5 years straight, and have never had a deer get more than 20 feet. Tap is damn good ammo for deer hunting, and do use it as well. Anywhere behind the shoulder is good. If you use the FMJs you will get an exit wound that will shoot blood out like a cheesy holloween film. Easy tracking! |
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I have my rifle now that is basically an M4 with 1x7 twist...its a nice rifle and I like it but if I try and make it to a hunting gun then I gotta get a FF handguard and its gunna be a pain....but if you can guarentee a deer with a 55 gr then I will put my money into my AR to make it a hunting rifle I'm also not an avid hunter, but I'm pretty sure that the .223 is illegal to use for deer in the state of FL. I don't know the exact regulations, so verification would be a good idea, but I believe you need .243 or better for deer. Hogs are fair game with an AR, from what I hear. If anyone can refute or confirm the abiove info, please do so. Just thought I'd mention it before you forsake the 7.62 goodness of the AK. |
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I have my rifle now that is basically an M4 with 1x7 twist...its a nice rifle and I like it but if I try and make it to a hunting gun then I gotta get a FF handguard and its gunna be a pain....but if you can guarentee a deer with a 55 gr then I will put my money into my AR to make it a hunting rifle I'm also not an avid hunter, but I'm pretty sure that the .223 is illegal to use for deer in the state of FL. I don't know the exact regulations, so verification would be a good idea, but I believe you need .243 or better for deer. Hogs are fair game with an AR, from what I hear. If anyone can refute or confirm the abiove info, please do so. Just thought I'd mention it before you forsake the 7.62 goodness of the AK. Here is what I found from their Game and Wildlife site: Site 
I would contact your local wildlife officer office and just ask them |
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Here's a crappy video of the corbon with the barnes bullet vs a watermelon
This is out of my Yugo underfolder. link The watermelon doesn't stand a chance. There's a lot of destructive power unleashed with those barnes bullets 
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Here's a crappy video of the corbon with the barnes bullet vs a watermelon This is out of my Yugo underfolder. link The watermelon doesn't stand a chance. There's a lot of destructive power unleashed with those barnes bullets Camera man SUCKS 
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I hear a lot of peopl saying that the 223 round is bad...been told that its good for boar and not for deer...so that why I am debating to sell m ar for a higher caliberr A proper expanding bullet in a .223 will kill either of those - but there are literally Dozens of other cartridges which will do a better job with less margin for error. The AK-74 AND the M16 were both designed to disablel MEN efficiently and cheaply - not to hunt sizeable game with. The AK47 7.62 round with an expanding bullet is actually pretty close in performance to some of the older deer gun calibers like .30.30 and .300 savage. 
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Quoted: Why?????I have my rifle now that is basically an M4 with 1x7 twist...its a nice rifle and I like it but if I try and make it to a hunting gun then I gotta get a FF handguard and its gunna be a pain....but if you can guarentee a deer with a 55 gr then I will put my money into my AR to make it a hunting rifle Your AR is most likely more accurate right now than any AK your going to buy. Get a decent optic if you want to shoot at any distance buy good ammo and shoot/practice with your rifle. I used a mini 14 with cheap ass remington 55gr sp (ammo choices were limited in those days) from the time i was 12 till i was 18 to take 20+ south Texas deer(you gotta love 4 deer counties  ).I've lost count of how many i've killed with bolt guns and Ar's in 223. Good shot placement is all you need. I'm not trying to talk you out of an Ak hell i plan to hunt with mine this yr using the new Hornady ammo (gonna use an FAL too)......but i'm doing it because i want to not because i need a different gun to kill deer. |
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OP, if you perceive a significant weakness in the AR vs. AK, you may be basing that on flawed perceptions. I own both and both are extremely reliable but I have had malfunctions in both weapon systems. Both are accurate enough to hit a man at any range you would likely NEED to do so, but the AR is much more accurate. That may seem like splitting hairs until you consider that often it's not the distance of the target, but the size that matters. If your opponent has taken cover behind a car and the only target you have is the part of his kneecap that's sticking past the wheel, that's the target you'll need to hit and if that 2" target is 35m away, you may have a difficult time doing it with a shitty trigger and notch sights. Both weapons are reasonably light but can get pretty heavy if you put a bunch of useless shit on them. The '74 and the AR have the advantage over the '47 in weight. The AR has a massive advantage in ergonomics.
I see you haven't been around here very long. I recommend you spend a lot more time reading before you commit to selling what you have or to spending any more money. Both types of rifle are great. Whatever you do, get lots of mags and ammo and spend the money on a competent carbine course. And have fun. |
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I hear a lot of peopl saying that the 223 round is bad...been told that its good for boar and not for deer...so that why I am debating to sell m ar for a higher caliberr The people telling you that don't know shit about real world ballistics. Do some reading on the ammo forum. There are a lot of variables involved, but commonly available 5.56mm is generally much MORE effective than commonly available 7.62X39mm or 5.45X39mm inside of 100m, give or take. |
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