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Posted: 5/4/2010 7:32:27 PM EDT
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=166848322
Correct me if I am wrong but does this look fishy to anyone else? |
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Lets see here...
Buy 5.45 mil surp at 12c a round pull bullets buy Barnes RRLP bullets for 30c a round pack 223 bullets into 5.45 cases and sell for $1 a round... hmmm 12c+30c = 42c 100c-42c = 58c profit per round THATS BRILLIANT!!! (if you can get away with it  )
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| Forgive my inexperience, but I've only ever seen Bulgarian surplus 5.45, however, I do believe that in all other rounds I have seen with a ridged area around the bullet, that ridged area always sits right under the edge of the case doesn't it? In these, the ridged area is not under the edge of the case. |
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Forgive my inexperience, but I've only ever seen Bulgarian surplus 5.45, however, I do believe that in all other rounds I have seen with a ridged area around the bullet, that ridged area always sits right under the edge of the case doesn't it? In these, the ridged area is not under the edge of the case. Google "bulgarian wasp" plenty of info out there. EDIT: I misread your post. I believe there is russian 5.45 surplus out there as well |
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Wow, so I just sent the idiot a message: "Um, can I please ask why you took a 5.45x39 case, removed the 5.45 round and replaced it with a 55gr. 5.56mm round, making it essentially a 5.56x39? You DO know this will seriously wear the fuck out of an AK74 barrel, right? Have you ever seen what a 5.45 round does when it hits an object? If you are interested, fire some into oak logs and use a maul to break up the wood. Stop when you find the rounds pointing rearwards after traveling through ass-first. They don't flip over without causing a whole lot of damage." |
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What you call the "ridged area" is actually called a cannelure, and you are right, it should not be sitting above the case neck like that. It is there to allow the case neck to be crimped into it. Quoted: Forgive my inexperience, but I've only ever seen Bulgarian surplus 5.45, however, I do believe that in all other rounds I have seen with a ridged area around the bullet, that ridged area always sits right under the edge of the case doesn't it? In these, the ridged area is not under the edge of the case. |
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Wow, so I just sent the idiot a message: "Um, can I please ask why you took a 5.45x39 case, removed the 5.45 round and replaced it with a 55gr. 5.56mm round, making it essentially a 5.56x39? You DO know this will seriously wear the fuck out of an AK74 barrel, right? Have you ever seen what a 5.45 round does when it hits an object? If you are interested, fire some into oak logs and use a maul to break up the wood. Stop when you find the rounds pointing rearwards after traveling through ass-first. They don't flip over without causing a whole lot of damage." There's .003" difference between a .224" 5.56 bullet and a .221" 5.45 bullet. These bullets could very well be sized down to .221", we really don't know. Also, what military surplus or any other type of 5.45 ammo does is completely irrelevant. These are frangible bullets. They will perform as such no matter what case they are loaded in.
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What you call the "ridged area" is actually called a cannelure, and you are right, it should not be sitting above the case neck like that. It is there to allow the case neck to be crimped into it. Quoted:
Forgive my inexperience, but I've only ever seen Bulgarian surplus 5.45, however, I do believe that in all other rounds I have seen with a ridged area around the bullet, that ridged area always sits right under the edge of the case doesn't it? In these, the ridged area is not under the edge of the case. As long as he has sufficient neck tension to hold the bullet in place, there is no requirement to crimp to the cannelure. |
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Wow, so I just sent the idiot a message: "Um, can I please ask why you took a 5.45x39 case, removed the 5.45 round and replaced it with a 55gr. 5.56mm round, making it essentially a 5.56x39? You DO know this will seriously wear the fuck out of an AK74 barrel, right? Have you ever seen what a 5.45 round does when it hits an object? If you are interested, fire some into oak logs and use a maul to break up the wood. Stop when you find the rounds pointing rearwards after traveling through ass-first. They don't flip over without causing a whole lot of damage." T There's .003" difference between a .224" 5.56 bullet and a .221" 5.45 bullet. These bullets could very well be sized down to .221", we really don't know. Also, what military surplus or any other type of 5.45 ammo does is completely irrelevant. These are frangible bullets. They will perform as such no matter what case they are loaded in.
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What you call the "ridged area" is actually called a cannelure, and you are right, it should not be sitting above the case neck like that. It is there to allow the case neck to be crimped into it. Quoted:
Forgive my inexperience, but I've only ever seen Bulgarian surplus 5.45, however, I do believe that in all other rounds I have seen with a ridged area around the bullet, that ridged area always sits right under the edge of the case doesn't it? In these, the ridged area is not under the edge of the case. As long as he has sufficient neck tension to hold the bullet in place, there is no requirement to crimp to the cannelure. Well put. Some folks that aren't familiar with this area seem to jump to conclusions too quickly. |
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As you should know, the 5.45 bullet shows more out of the case than the 5.56. These bullets are set a little 'out' to make up the correct OAL for the 5.45. I don't believe these copper-jaceted bullets will harm a 5.45 barrel or cause overpressure. would you shoot an ak bullet out of a .308? .311 through a .308 hole. its not gonna blow your gun up, but it will damage it over time... maybe even once. get a wasr with very tight headspacing and these and youll have an issue. |
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What's the problem? bullets not seated either i just read the above post, i know its not required, but if theres gonna be a cannelure, might as well do it right... anyway, its a rip off. You seat the bullets to the overall length of the cartridge. That is the "right" length. Less bullet in the case = lower pressures. Quoted:
What's the standard twist on an AK74? 1:7.87" |
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As you should know, the 5.45 bullet shows more out of the case than the 5.56. These bullets are set a little 'out' to make up the correct OAL for the 5.45. I don't believe these copper-jaceted bullets will harm a 5.45 barrel or cause overpressure. would you shoot an ak bullet out of a .308? .311 through a .308 hole. its not gonna blow your gun up, but it will damage it over time... maybe even once. get a wasr with very tight headspacing and these and youll have an issue. Maybe, with a consistent diet that no one will be using these for anyway. No. No. Headspacing has nothing to do with groove diameter or bullet diameter. Additionally, you don't know if these have been sized down or not. Listen folks, it appears a lot of you have a lot to learn about ammunition, handloading, and the how firearms and their ammo effect each other. Regardless, I'm not saying that this is a great idea or that you should go out and buy some. I'm saying you're all jumping on this product making accusations that you really don't thoroughly understand. |
That's your opinion and furthermore, your grammar sucks!  Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As you should know, the 5.45 bullet shows more out of the case than the 5.56. These bullets are set a little 'out' to make up the correct OAL for the 5.45. I don't believe these copper-jaceted bullets will harm a 5.45 barrel or cause overpressure. would you shoot an ak bullet out of a .308? .311 through a .308 hole. its not gonna blow your gun up, but it will damage it over time... maybe even once. get a wasr with very tight headspacing and these and youll have an issue. Maybe, with a consistent diet that no one will be using these for anyway. No. No. Headspacing has nothing to do with groove diameter or bullet diameter. Additionally, you don't know if these have been sized down or not. Listen folks, it appears a lot of you have a lot to learn about ammunition, handloading, and the how firearms and their ammo effect each other. Regardless, I'm not saying that this is a great idea or that you should go out and buy some. I'm saying you're all jumping on this product making accusations that you really don't thoroughly understand. |
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Well I sent the seller an E-mail asking if he had sized these to .221"...
His response was that he had sized them to .220". Sometimes it's better to ask questions than blindly pile on when you've no idea what you're talking about. Still, would I buy this product? No. I do not and would not buy reloads or handloads ... shoot my own and that's it! sized to .220 On 5/6/10, Chris_1522 <[email protected]> wrote: > A message has been sent to you by a user of GunBroker.com, please scroll > down to the MESSAGE FROM USER section below to read the text. > THE "FROM" NAME ON THIS EMAIL IS THE SENDING USER'S GUNBROKER.COM USERNAME. > REGARDING ITEM: 166848322 5.45x39 frangible hollowpoint ammo 50RDS CA > OK > http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=166848322 > > ––- begin message ––- > > Have the bullets loaded in these cartridges been resized to .221"? > > ––- end message ––- |
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Well I sent the seller an E-mail asking if he had sized these to .221"... His response was that he had sized them to .220". Sometimes it's better to ask questions than blindly pile on when you've no idea what you're talking about. Still, would I buy this product? No. I do not and would not buy reloads or handloads ... shoot my own and that's it! sized to .220 On 5/6/10, Chris_1522 <[email protected]> wrote: > A message has been sent to you by a user of GunBroker.com, please scroll > down to the MESSAGE FROM USER section below to read the text. > THE "FROM" NAME ON THIS EMAIL IS THE SENDING USER'S GUNBROKER.COM USERNAME. > REGARDING ITEM: 166848322 5.45x39 frangible hollowpoint ammo 50RDS CA > OK > http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=166848322 > > ––- begin message ––- > > Have the bullets loaded in these cartridges been resized to .221"? > > ––- end message ––- I doubt they are... who wants to buy them and take a set of calipers to em' lol |
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