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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - My First AK47! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/19/2010 10:07:32 AM EDT
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Looks nice. Did you refinish the rifle and wood or is it all original finish? Got a Tapco G2 single hook fire control group in it? The wood is the original Soviet finish. It does not have a Tapco G2 single fire control group, the control group is orginal. |
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Looks like someone installed a bayonet lug gas block on it. Does the gas block have the ears on the lug? It does have the ears. Please note this is a pre 1994 gunban model that was never converted to compile with the ban. You do realize that if it was not a pre-1989 gun it is not preban and would have had a thumbhole stock installed on it originally and that to change from a thumbhole stock configuration you would need to comply with 922(r) and install the required US parts. Who is the importer? There was only one importer of preban rifles (pre-1989), all others were imported with thumbhole stocks. |
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Looks like someone installed a bayonet lug gas block on it. Does the gas block have the ears on the lug? It does have the ears. Please note this is a pre 1994 gunban model that was never converted to compile with the ban. You do realize that if it was not a pre-1989 gun then it is not preban and would have had a thumbhole stock installed on it originally and that to change from a thumbhole stock configuration you would need to comply with 922(r) and install the required US parts. Who is the importer? +1 million |
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Don't want to burst your bubble but please tell us who the importer is? If it isn't the correct one someone fed you a line of BS.
Please post pictures of the importer's marking and we can alleviate your concerns if it is the correct one. The manual you have there appears to be for an ARM model imported by ACC/INTRAC which were imported from 1993 to 1995 with a thumbhole stock and a muzzle nut tack welded on covering the threads. That model also had the ears ground down on the bayonet lug. 
My ACC/Intrac had the importer's marking at the same place I see import markings on your's 
Some had a hieroglyph on the left side of the left side of the sight base with the year of import in the hieroglyph. 
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Its ACC Int/Intrac, Knox KT is the importer. The year is 93, and it has the Egyptian crown. I just read on the 922r compliant. Kind of a bs law. But I'll have to legal her up... So, did you buy it from someone that misrepresented it? Pisses me off when people sell something as preban when it isn't. The rifle you have looks like it would be worth $550-$650.00 if it had the correct compliance parts. It appears to have been unbanned well and looks in good shape. Some of the Maadis had trigger slap. A preban Steyr import would have been worth $1,000+ to the right buyer |
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Its ACC Int/Intrac, Knox KT is the importer. The year is 93, and it has the Egyptian crown. I just read on the 922r compliant. Kind of a bs law. But I'll have to legal her up... So, did you buy it from someone that misrepresented it? Pisses me off when people sell something as preban when it isn't. The rifle you have looks like it would be worth $550-$650.00 if it had the correct compliance parts. It appears to have been unbanned well and looks in good shape. Some of the Maadis had trigger slap. A preban Steyr import would have been worth $1,000+ to the right buyer It does have trigger slap, do you know how to reduce it? |
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It does have trigger slap, do you know how to reduce it? Easy way is to install a Tapco G2 single hook fire control group that also takes care of your compliance part problem for three of the parts. You need 6 US parts off the compliance list. The rifle could have a US Century FCG in it which suffered from trigger slap but probably not if it is a Intrac import unless someone installed it. Copes has the fire control groups and US slant brakes probably. You can also cure the trigger slap by cutting the tail off the disconnector. trigger slap fix You wouldn't see a spot weld if they changed out the FSB and gas block |
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Its ACC Int/Intrac, Knox KT is the importer. The year is 93, and it has the Egyptian crown, but no sport weld. It also has an extra Y stamp on the receiver. I just read on the 922r compliant. Kind of a bs law. But I'll have to legal her up... Did you buy it off gunbroker? There are a ton of non-922 compliant rifles there and plenty of "Pre-ban" descriptions which are bogus. If you want to keep the Russian wood, you need to have at least 6 US parts because the receiver is not US. Besides a Tapco FCG, get a US slant break, a US piston, and US pistol grip. AK Collecting is Serious Business... 
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Its ACC Int/Intrac, Knox KT is the importer. The year is 93, and it has the Egyptian crown, but no sport weld. It also has an extra Y stamp on the receiver. I just read on the 922r compliant. Kind of a bs law. But I'll have to legal her up... Did you buy it off gunbroker? There are a ton of non-922 compliant rifles there and plenty of "Pre-ban" descriptions which are bogus. If you want to keep the Russian wood, you need to have at least 6 US parts because the receiver is not US. Besides a Tapco FCG, get a US slant break, a US piston, and US pistol grip. YA that sounds like a good idea. Thanks I will do!!! |
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Where did you get it and was it represented as preban? How much was it? Got it from gunbroker. It was $600. I'd say it was a decent price even if you need to get some parts. Mag followers aren't much. There is a place I got a US slant brake for $8.00 shipped with paypal. Tapco G2 is around $28.00 and it will be an imporvement, no trigger slap. |
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Where did you get it and was it represented as preban? How much was it? Got it from gunbroker. It was $600. I'd say it was a decent price even if you need to get some parts. Mag followers aren't much. There is a place I got a US slant brake for $8.00 shipped with paypal. Tapco G2 is around $28.00 and it will be an imporvement, no trigger slap. How could I tell what parts are US (if any) in this weapon? Since some are not marked with a serial number? |
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The fire control group will be marked with a C if Century, Tapco G2 if Tapco, G2 if Gordon Tech, FSE if First Son Entreprises, or will have casting marks down the centerline if Hesse or some other US maker. Arsenal or K-VAR US FCG parts may be marked with an A or US.
Foreign parts are usually milled from solid stock and will have no casting lines. You can see the casting lines of a Tapco set in this picture on the hammer and disconnector. 
If a slant brake isn't marked with USA, US or some marking it is considered a foreign part. Foreign gas pistons are chrome plated, US are usually stainless. |
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At least it's not one of those other Intrac Maadi models.... I still recall the day I received the letter.......  Did they come and get it or did you cut it up? I shipped each and everyone back stripped. In return, I got completed rifles, though it did take about a month or so.. |
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My MAK90 was imported by ACC Int/Intrac, Knox TN. So just in case, whats the quality of the Maadi's? When they first came in they were not big sellers. I saw them sit on the shelves of one gun store for 7 years at $350.00. The original wood was brittle and to me the paint looked like hell. Had trigger slap. Funny how time has gone by and now they are prized by some as a good start for a Russian clone. But now you have Russian Saigas imported by Arsenal and I would pay more for one of those. |
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If the OP didnt assemble it, 922r is not applicable. If the Op assembled it, that would be a different story. It looks as if no one has actually read 922r and based everything on internet myth and lore. Even if this is true, it will take 6-12 months and thousands of dollars in legal fees to get your rifles back after they are seized by someone who dosen't agree with your interpretation of the law. I prefer the spend the extra $30 and make them compliant "just in case". And since he has no proof that he did not change it from "ban" configuration to "no-ban" configuration, he will likey loose any case. BTW, nice rifle! |
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If the OP didnt assemble it, 922r is not applicable. If the Op assembled it, that would be a different story. It looks as if no one has actually read 922r and based everything on internet myth and lore. Would you really want to fight a fight that would ruin you financially when $50.00 in parts would protect you? He has a screwed up trigger that he can fix with $30.00 of that amount. |
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Yes, it's not hard to make it compliant. My 2001 SAR-1 has these parts: Russian: All the wood Pistol grip Sling Rear site Bolt carrier Bakelite mag body U.S. parts: Slant brake Piston Mag follower and base FCG G2 http://lh3.ggpht.com/_MgHEncEAut4/RPCC3nDAABI/AAAAAAAAAKU/A6xgLTMMnPs/s640/MY_AKM3.JPG You do realize the sling and rear sight don't count as parts for 922r, right? On a stamped AK, the ATF considers the following the parts that make up the AK: 1. Receiver 2. Barrel 3. Muzzle attachment 4. Front trunnion 5. Bolt carrier 6. Bolt 7. Gas piston 8. Hammer 9. Trigger 10. Sear 11. Buttstock 12. Upper and lower handguards count as one 13. Pistol grip 14. Magazine body 15. Magazine follower 16. Magazine base plate |
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If you can show me just one case of anyone ever being prosecuted under 922r, I'm all ears. My best advice for anyone concerned about 922r is to read it for themselves. If you didnt assemble the rifle, 922r is not applicable, it's that simple. If this is true, I'm curious why do companies like Century, Arseanl, TGI and others that buy assembled rifles from third parties in other contries make all of them 922 compliant? They did not assemble the rifles, the third party across the ocean did. Seems like a lot of added expense just to meet a non existant law. I guess none of them or their lawyers read it for themselvs either. To each his own. |
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If you can show me just one case of anyone ever being prosecuted under 922r, I'm all ears. My best advice for anyone concerned about 922r is to read it for themselves. If you didnt assemble the rifle, 922r is not applicable, it's that simple. I knew a taxidermist who sat in federal prison for two years for stuffing two ducks. I saw a person locked up in prison for picking up a piece of dead saguaro cactus rib and putting it in their truck bed. A toy store had their airsoft rifles confiscated by a demoted ATF supervisor a few weeks ago who claims they can be converted into machine guns but he didn't know how to insert the mag into the airsoft rifle correctly. A member here, Olafson sits in prison for having an AR15 the BATF was able to get to malfunction, I told him he was going to prison but he was too smart for his own good and thought he could beat the case without hiring a proper attorney and keeping his mouth shut until it was too late. Did Olafson assemble a fully automatic AR15 or did the ATF keep switching things to get the rifle to malfunction and shoot more than one round with the single pull of a trigger (slam fire). You can be the test case, it only takes one case to ruin you financially if you are the one they decide to test. Got an extra hundred thousand to mount your defense case in court? Got proof you aren't the one to assemble that rifle in the configuration it is in? Those who think the gov't can't sway a jury to a conviction in a simple violation would be suprised. Go sit in on some court cases. Or does it make more sense to spend the $50.00 to have a rifle that there will be no question about? |
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You do realize the sling and rear sight don't count as parts for 922r, right? Go back and read his post. The top portion is just listing what he has on his rifle. He then lists his US made compliance parts. He was listing Russian parts he put on his Romanian rifle in the top part. |
| Why don't you re-read his post. He says it's not hard to make a rifle compliant. That's the subject of that post. Next, he lists his compliance parts and foreign parts. A follows B. He lists the sling and rear sight under foreign parts. That's what I'm responding to. |
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If you can show me just one case of anyone ever being prosecuted under 922r, I'm all ears. My best advice for anyone concerned about 922r is to read it for themselves. If you didnt assemble the rifle, 922r is not applicable, it's that simple. If this is true, I'm curious why do companies like Century, Arseanl, TGI and others that buy assembled rifles from third parties in other contries make all of them 922 compliant? They did not assemble the rifles, the third party across the ocean did. Seems like a lot of added expense just to meet a non existant law. I guess none of them or their lawyers read it for themselvs either. To each his own. They are importers/assemblers. As such, they're responsible for 922r. If you purchase one of these rifles new, you're responsible for maintaining 922r. If you purchase a used rifle, you're not accountable for it if the previous owner changed out US made parts with foreign made parts, since it's impossible for you the buyer to determine the origin of said parts unless so marked! |
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