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Posted: 2/15/2010 8:18:00 AM EDT
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Has anybody modified a Zastava to accept a double stack magazaine, or knows anybody that has?
i've heard its not as easy as others to modify. and on a totally different topic, has anybody had experience with I.O. Inc. rifles http://www.ioinc.us/ Im trying to narrow my AK choice down and make a purchase in the next couple weeks, WASR is at the top of the list, but the Zastava and these I.O. Rifles look interesting |
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I assume you are referring to the PAP. I know of no one who has done the deed. I have spoken to Mario at POHF about converting my PAP to a double stack and he estimated the cost at $125, final cost would be determined when he actual saw the rifle and analyzed it in more detail. He has not done one, but he was very willing to do it. The narrow front trunnion complicates things and makes it more than simply hogging out the opening in the receiver. I was/am looking at having him do this in conjunction with installing a Green Mtn. Tabuk barrel on my PAP. Haven't completely made up my mind on this yet. |
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I got one of the first ones available in this country. I doubt many people have owned one longer than I have. The rifle has been 100% reliable with Wolf Military Classic and Barnaul FMJ. I have not tried any other ammo but I have no reason to think it would be any less reliable. The PAP is not built from a kit. It is a Zastava factory built rifle using all new factory parts. Zastava is in Serbia, part of the former Yugoslavia. Zastava |
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Has anybody modified a Zastava to accept a double stack magazaine, or knows anybody that has? i've heard its not as easy as others to modify. and on a totally different topic, has anybody had experience with I.O. Inc. rifles http://www.ioinc.us/ Im trying to narrow my AK choice down and make a purchase in the next couple weeks, WASR is at the top of the list, but the Zastava and these I.O. Rifles look interesting I would be interested in this too. In general how is I.O.? The receivers are american made but by who? |
| Isn't there a magazine with a narrow top that fits the single-stack rifles, but it widens to double-stack outside the mag well? Maybe there's a longer mag that could hold 20 instead of 10. I know Zastava is a quality maker - excellent military quality like FEG used to be. I would be inclined not to make such a drastic and permanent modification. |
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Has anybody modified a Zastava to accept a double stack magazaine, or knows anybody that has? i've heard its not as easy as others to modify. and on a totally different topic, has anybody had experience with I.O. Inc. rifles http://www.ioinc.us/ Im trying to narrow my AK choice down and make a purchase in the next couple weeks, WASR is at the top of the list, but the Zastava and these I.O. Rifles look interesting If there are that many problems doing A 922 on a PAP. Have you looked into a converted Saiga build? Where in New York are you? |
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I got one of the first ones available in this country. I doubt many people have owned one longer than I have. The rifle has been 100% reliable with Wolf Military Classic and Barnaul FMJ. I have not tried any other ammo but I have no reason to think it would be any less reliable. The PAP is not built from a kit. It is a Zastava factory built rifle using all new factory parts. Zastava is in Serbia, part of the former Yugoslavia. Zastava Do you have a scope on yours and the black synthetic stock ? It looks like there is no side rail and the base is attached to the receiver cover which is usually never a good thing. I saw one at the NRA convention 2 years ago in Louisville with a wood stock and was very impressed with the quality but never knew they actually made it into the country. |
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Im in Rochester, NY....I can get a WASR from Herb Philipsons Army Navy in the Syracuse area for $499 that is ready to go, complete with 30rd magazine, or a new Zastava locally for $400.
not sure what im doing yet, but going to make a decision soon. I really like what im hearing about the Zastava, Im all for a quality rifle, thats why I paid a little more to get a STAG AR, but I kind of like the idea of having a Romanian AK with wood furniture, for some reason it doesn't bother me that the WASR is a little rough around the edges, I don't expect it to be a sniper rifle by any means, the WASR is more of an "authentic" AK rifle to me, but the Zastava looks very high end, and is something different, the price is hard to beat also. comparing a Zastava to WASR is like comparing apples to oranges, I would buy one of each if I had the cash. |
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Quoted: Mine, complete with side rail:Quoted: I got one of the first ones available in this country. I doubt many people have owned one longer than I have. The rifle has been 100% reliable with Wolf Military Classic and Barnaul FMJ. I have not tried any other ammo but I have no reason to think it would be any less reliable. The PAP is not built from a kit. It is a Zastava factory built rifle using all new factory parts. Zastava is in Serbia, part of the former Yugoslavia. Zastava Do you have a scope on yours and the black synthetic stock ? It looks like there is no side rail and the base is attached to the receiver cover which is usually never a good thing. I saw one at the NRA convention 2 years ago in Louisville with a wood stock and was very impressed with the quality but never knew they actually made it into the country.   |
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I got one of the first ones available in this country. I doubt many people have owned one longer than I have. The rifle has been 100% reliable with Wolf Military Classic and Barnaul FMJ. I have not tried any other ammo but I have no reason to think it would be any less reliable. The PAP is not built from a kit. It is a Zastava factory built rifle using all new factory parts. Zastava is in Serbia, part of the former Yugoslavia. Zastava Do you have a scope on yours and the black synthetic stock ? It looks like there is no side rail and the base is attached to the receiver cover which is usually never a good thing. I saw one at the NRA convention 2 years ago in Louisville with a wood stock and was very impressed with the quality but never knew they actually made it into the country. http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i123/Wolvydude/AK%20Pics/f4fd014b.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i123/Wolvydude/AK%20Pics/66c9af55.jpg Yep that looks like the one I saw in Louisville. Very nice looking rifle  . What kind of accuracy do you get compared to other AK's. I seem to remember them being heavier than the WASR and other AK's.
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Im in Rochester, NY....I can get a WASR from Herb Philipsons Army Navy in the Syracuse area for $499 that is ready to go, complete with 30rd magazine, or a new Zastava locally for $400. not sure what im doing yet, but going to make a decision soon. I really like what im hearing about the Zastava, Im all for a quality rifle, thats why I paid a little more to get a STAG AR, but I kind of like the idea of having a Romanian AK with wood furniture, for some reason it doesn't bother me that the WASR is a little rough around the edges, I don't expect it to be a sniper rifle by any means, the WASR is more of an "authentic" AK rifle to me, but the Zastava looks very high end, and is something different, the price is hard to beat also. comparing a Zastava to WASR is like comparing apples to oranges, I would buy one of each if I had the cash. Zastava is known to make good stuff, but comparing a low cap Zastava to a hi cap Wasr to me IMHO would be a no brainer. Even though the PAP is probably better quality your looking at $100.00 difference. If you modify the PAP to double stack your also playing with the 922 parts game. It may not be able to be modified as someone stated before or if it can a real bitch. If you question the WASR and like the feel of the PAP I would again look to a Saiga conversion. Authentic Russian, not a parts gun. Even though you'll play the parts game of 922, Alot of Saigas have been modified so the route has been taken and is proven it can be done with little hassle. |
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I got one of the first ones available in this country. I doubt many people have owned one longer than I have. The rifle has been 100% reliable with Wolf Military Classic and Barnaul FMJ. I have not tried any other ammo but I have no reason to think it would be any less reliable. The PAP is not built from a kit. It is a Zastava factory built rifle using all new factory parts. Zastava is in Serbia, part of the former Yugoslavia. Zastava Do you have a scope on yours and the black synthetic stock ? It looks like there is no side rail and the base is attached to the receiver cover which is usually never a good thing. I saw one at the NRA convention 2 years ago in Louisville with a wood stock and was very impressed with the quality but never knew they actually made it into the country. http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i123/Wolvydude/AK%20Pics/f4fd014b.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i123/Wolvydude/AK%20Pics/66c9af55.jpg That is the only thumbhole stock AK I have ever thought was good looking. Beautiful rifle. You mentioned Green Mtn. Tabuk barrel's.... is there still a source for those....? |
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Here it is...WASR 10/63, with TAPCO G2 trigger group from Century, almost no noticeable sight cant, and no gas block cant that I can see.
Purchased at AllStar Tactical in Rochester, NY, package included all the normal goodies, plus 4 short mags and they threw in a 30rd mag for me. Machine work was done locally, all the mags fit snug, no rattling, but still very easy to change mags. the rifle and extra mags are little greasy with cosmoline but that is to be expected. 
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