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Posted: 8/10/2009 2:40:04 PM EDT
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Hi Guys!
I bought an AK variant from Henderson Defense a while ago. I suppose it is a romanian wasr. It has a triangle with an arrow inside and next to it, it has the date 1975. I heard that this rifle is suppose to have a higher quality compared to the regular wasr. Can anybody tell me more about this rifle??? One says it's a 10/63 for the triangle, other says it's a GP 1975... I don't know, I'm kind of confused since I'm no AK expert (it came with wood furniture). Anybody? Also... Can anybody tell me at what distance to sight in the iron sights? I have no ideia of the ballistic of the 7.62X39... What would be a good distance to sight in to have a flatter trajectory? Thanks A BUNCH! |
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Not an expert but.., From my understanding the GP (general purpase) 1975 comes in a black stock and is a mostly a US manufactured parts weapon.
The WASR GP 10/63 is a High Cap WASR with the only distinction is that the receiver (triangle with arrow) inidicates it was made from a military spec receiver and the year is stamped on it.., Triangle with arrow followed by 1975 (mine is 1984) and then the serial number. I have been told and read that these weapons do not have the notorious site cant and sloppy magazine well of the previous WASR's. We bought 3 as a group and all were dang near perfect. I'm sure someone else will kick in with some addditional info or corrections soon.., |
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If it is a WASR 10/63, it will say on the side of the receiver "GP WASR-10/63"
The triangle and serial number and date you are referring to are not on the receiver but actually on the front trunnion. I'm not sure what the GP 1975 says however. The GP 1975 should come with polymer furniture and a US made barrel that is NOT chrome lined. That's really all I know about them. The WASR 10/63 was built on a single stack receiver in Romania, then imported here where the receiver is milled out to accept double stack magazines. This receiver is not actually a military spec receiver as it does not have the dimples near the magazine well. For God's sake don't ask what the dimples do because it will cause a huge argument between everyone here, just accept that military receivers have them, and the single stack and modified receivers do not. |
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To answer your question regarding how to properly sight your rifle, see here:
http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/sightin.htm |
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Also... Can anybody tell me at what distance to sight in the iron sights? I have no ideia of the ballistic of the 7.62X39... What would be a good distance to sight in to have a flatter trajectory? The distance at which you sight the rifle in has no effect on the trajectory of the bullet. 
Put the rear sight at "1". Since you're not familiar with the sights, do your initial zero at 25 or 50 yards to make sure you're close. Then move back to 100 yards to confirm and do the final vertical adjustment. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Also... Can anybody tell me at what distance to sight in the iron sights? I have no ideia of the ballistic of the 7.62X39... What would be a good distance to sight in to have a flatter trajectory? The distance at which you sight the rifle in has no effect on the trajectory of the bullet. Put the rear sight at "1". Since you're not familiar with the sights, do your initial zero at 25 or 50 yards to make sure you're close. Then move back to 100 yards to confirm and do the final vertical adjustment. there is no 25 or 50 to it. for the sights to function as designed it must be 25 meters. put the rear sight on 1, get the rifle zeroed at 25m / 27yds using 3 shot groups. once zeroed at 25 meters your ak is ready to go using the rear sight as numbered in increments of 100 meters. now, if you want to battle zero the ak at the 1 setting using yards instead of meters that is a different ball of wax. to get torso hits out to 250yds without having to use any adjustments, sight the gun in at 20yds or 200yds (these are the points where the bullet will cross the same plane) the poi will be no higher than 3.5" and no lower than 6" out to a 250yd target, giving you the ability to keep shots within the vitals section of the human torso. personally, i battle zero all my rifles i use iron sights with. the ak is not very effective much more than the 250yds anyways. on my ar's i zero my back up sights in at 50yds and they are good to 250yds also while keeping less than a 8" poi. on my carry handles and lmt rear sight i use the ribz method. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=328143 |
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Thanks for the info... I think I will zero it at 25 meters at #1 mark and see where it hits at 100 meters (since the local range only goes that far)...
As far as the weapon itself, it only has the triangle with an arrow followed by 1975, the mag well is for double stack mags and the furniture is wood... |
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there is no 25 or 50 to it. for the sights to function as designed it must be 25 meters. put the rear sight on 1, get the rifle zeroed at 25m / 27yds using 3 shot groups. once zeroed at 25 meters your ak is ready to go using the rear sight as numbered in increments of 100 meters. Good luck with that procedure.
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'The distance at which you sight the rifle in has no effect on the trajectory of the bullet'
Actually, it has everything to do with it. Just view some trajectories based on different near zeroes on a ballistics program. The closer the near zero to the muzzle, the higher the arch of the trajectory. To sight the AK at 100 yds (which is close enough to 100m as to be a non-issue), place the rear sight selector on the line just under the number '1', and shoot to point of aim by adjusting windage and elevation with the front sight. This is a flatter trajectory and very useful in the combat ranges usually associated with the AK. |
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The distance at which you sight the rifle in has no effect on the trajectory of the bullet. Put the rear sight at "1". Since you're not familiar with the sights, do your initial zero at 25 or 50 yards to make sure you're close. Then move back to 100 yards to confirm and do the final vertical adjustment. Quoted: The distance at which you sight the rifle in has no effect on the trajectory of the bullet. Put the rear sight at "1". Since you're not familiar with the sights, do your initial zero at 25 or 50 yards to make sure you're close. Then move back to 100 yards to confirm and do the final vertical adjustment. Quoted: there is no 25 or 50 to it. for the sights to function as designed it must be 25 meters. put the rear sight on 1, get the rifle zeroed at 25m / 27yds using 3 shot groups. once zeroed at 25 meters your ak is ready to go using the rear sight as numbered in increments of 100 meters. Good luck with that procedure. just do it pams way and you'll be good to go. monday, wednesday, and friday use 25yds, tuesday, thursday, and saturdays use 50yds, alternate every sunday and you'll be good to go. what's wrong pam don't like using the manual? every other post you swear by it. for whatever reason when you sight the weapon in you think there are variables. i guess you build them and clean them but don't shoot them. hahahaha |
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What he meant is that the bullet will travel the same arc no matter where the sights are set. That is, after all, why you adjust the sights to the point of impact, not the point of impact to the sights. Absolutely correct ... unless you believe, as some do, that setting the sight at 1000 somehow makes the bullet travel faster. |
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just do it pams way and you'll be good to go. monday, wednesday, and friday use 25yds, tuesday, thursday, and saturdays use 50yds, alternate every sunday and you'll be good to go. what's wrong pam don't like using the manual? every other post you swear by it. for whatever reason when you sight the weapon in you think there are variables. i guess you build them and clean them but don't shoot them. hahahaha I don't suppose you considered that not everyone has access to a range that has both 25 and 50 yard firing lines. I did. There is no functional difference in the initial range used as long as one makes the final adjustments at the 100 yard range The Soviet manual specifies a 100 meter range, the sight set a 300 meters and a very specific target. It works fine if you have the target (or are willing to make one) but it is needlessly complex since the procedure results in POI well above POA. |
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Quoted: Quoted: just do it pams way and you'll be good to go. monday, wednesday, and friday use 25yds, tuesday, thursday, and saturdays use 50yds, alternate every sunday and you'll be good to go. what's wrong pam don't like using the manual? every other post you swear by it. for whatever reason when you sight the weapon in you think there are variables. i guess you build them and clean them but don't shoot them. hahahaha I don't suppose you considered that not everyone has access to a range that has both 25 and 50 yard firing lines. I did. There is no functional difference in the initial range used as long as one makes the final adjustments at the 100 yard range The Soviet manual specifies a 100 meter range, the sight set a 300 meters and a very specific target. It works fine if you have the target (or are willing to make one) but it is needlessly complex since the procedure results in POI well above POA. http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/sightingin.html http://www.gunsnet.net/linx310/sightin.htm |
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Two excellent reasons not to believe everything one reads on the internet. Zero at 25 meters automatically gives you the correct zero at all other ranges. 
The second site simply copies from the first. There is nothing wrong with using 25 or 50 yards (or meters) as an initial range, so long as one confirms the 100 meter (or yard) zero and makes the adjustments needed. |
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