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1/20/2009 4:32:19 PM EDT
Was discussing guns with a vet at work and I mentioned I had a couple of AKs.
He's from the old BS camp that thinks all AKs are FA and I said nah, mine are semi and legal.

Then he asked what's the difference between the two? what makes one FA and the other semi.

This was a question I didn't know the answer to. I shrugged and threw down the rubberstamp answer "the receiver"
1/20/2009 4:41:08 PM EDT
[#1]
From my observations:

Third hole drilled in receiver for additional pin to hold auto-sear trip

Right rear side of bolt carrier, semi has the nub milled off that catches the sear trip, full still has the nub

Selector stop on the right side for the safety to stop about midway between safe and semi

Also, I believe the disconnector and hammer are different

That's it in a nutshell. The difference is also 10 years and $250,000k fine if not properly registered. Oh, and price diff. between LEGAL full auto and semi is about $13,000, plus the $200 transfer tax.
1/20/2009 5:00:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Even if one wanted to risk the jail time being Bubba's boyfriend just to take a shot at big brother, why bother with FA?  The "cool factor" of spray 'n pray is meaningless unless you're in the military and assaulting the enemy with entire divisions of troops.  You can fire the rifle as quickly as you can pull the trigger, often at a cycle rate of 100 rounds/min or higher.  Plus, you'll get greater accuracy.  I don't own AKs to show them off.  I enjoy them because of their look, reliability, and versatility.

Some guy did a youtube video on how the dias (drop in auto sear) is set up.  Since it's legal to own the part in Germany but not to install it on a working AK, he apparently is legally able to record the video and upload it.
1/20/2009 5:12:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Even if one wanted to risk the jail time being Bubba's boyfriend just to take a shot at big brother, why bother with FA?  The "cool factor" of spray 'n pray is meaningless unless you're in the military and assaulting the enemy with entire divisions of troops.  You can fire the rifle as quickly as you can pull the trigger, often at a cycle rate of 100 rounds/min or higher.  Plus, you'll get greater accuracy.  I don't own AKs to show them off.  I enjoy them because of their look, reliability, and versatility.

Some guy did a youtube video on how the dias (drop in auto sear) is set up.  Since it's legal to own the part in Germany but not to install it on a working AK, he apparently is legally able to record the video and upload it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gErsF7hKQv8
1/20/2009 5:50:52 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Even if one wanted to risk the jail time being Bubba's boyfriend just to take a shot at big brother, why bother with FA?  The "cool factor" of spray 'n pray is meaningless unless you're in the military and assaulting the enemy with entire divisions of troops.  You can fire the rifle as quickly as you can pull the trigger, often at a cycle rate of 100 rounds/min or higher.  Plus, you'll get greater accuracy.  I don't own AKs to show them off.  I enjoy them because of their look, reliability, and versatility.

Some guy did a youtube video on how the dias (drop in auto sear) is set up.  Since it's legal to own the part in Germany but not to install it on a working AK, he apparently is legally able to record the video and upload it.


unless your post was directed to the last line of the post above yours, I think you drew the wrong interpretation from my post. I'm not intending to try to change my AKs to FA. It would devalue the collectibility at the very least, and I know the ramifications of illegal NFA... c'mon son, this isn't my first day on arfcom. I don't own AKs to show them off either, but I don't mind showing them off when they rock, especially the ones I built.
1/21/2009 5:37:49 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
From my observations:

Third hole drilled in receiver for additional pin to hold auto-sear trip

Right rear side of bolt carrier, semi has the nub milled off that catches the sear trip, full still has the nubNot always and makes no difference

Selector stop on the right side for the safety to stop about midway between safe and seminot always and makes no difference

Also, I believe the disconnector and hammer are differentnot always and makes no difference

That's it in a nutshell. The difference is also 10 years and $250,000k fine if not properly registered. Oh, and price diff. between LEGAL full auto and semi is about $13,000, plus the $200 transfer tax.


1/21/2009 6:20:40 AM EDT
[#6]
3rd axis pin and auto sear... or in case of a dias, just the sear
1/21/2009 8:39:15 AM EDT
[#7]
For a Chicom rifle:

Third pin for the sear.  The sear itself.  The bolt carrier does have a different groove(for lack of a better term) on the bottom side.  there is another notch for the selector lever.

The axis pin retaining wire is different as well as it sits on the sear.

There is a rate reducer on eurospec rifles, but I am unfimiliar with them.

There may be other illegal and unsafe ways to do this but that is how a factory gun works.
1/21/2009 9:07:09 AM EDT
[#8]
Um,... the main difference is that the full auto can fire more than one round with a single press of the trigger....
1/21/2009 11:44:32 AM EDT
[#9]

Semi = BANG

F/A = BANG BANG BANG
1/22/2009 12:50:32 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
From my observations:

Third hole drilled in receiver for additional pin to hold auto-sear trip

Right rear side of bolt carrier, semi has the nub milled off that catches the sear trip, full still has the nubNot always and makes no difference

Selector stop on the right side for the safety to stop about midway between safe and seminot always and makes no difference

Also, I believe the disconnector and hammer are differentnot always and makes no difference

That's it in a nutshell. The difference is also 10 years and $250,000k fine if not properly registered. Oh, and price diff. between LEGAL full auto and semi is about $13,000, plus the $200 transfer tax.




Bolt carrier does have a projection for the sear.
Hammer has been machined for the sear to catch it.
Upper rail usually is stepped
right lower rail is clearanced for the sear trip level (a slot is cut into it).
Disconnector has a leg on it
Selector (in a semi has been ground to miss this leg(disconnector) but not always)

Had to learn to fire and field strip AK's in the army (back in the ancient days) "Familiarization with eastern bloc arms" was the name of the course.
They walked us through the function of the parts. Did SKS,SVD too

Yep,messing with your rifle will get you lodging in the "Gray Bar Hotel"
1/22/2009 1:14:27 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Semi = BANG [red]TriggerSlap

F/A = BANG TriggerSlap BANG TriggerSlap BANG


Fixed to reflect the AK 'Finger Tenderizer' feature...

Of course, there's a fix for that (dremel)
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