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Posted: 1/17/2009 8:02:17 PM EDT
| I was about 2-3 days from sending 4 kits to HDI to have them built when I came across what appeared to be a shotty build by them. The guy did not post who had built the rifles for weeks but did show pictures and ask what everyone thought long before he posted the builder. He did and many people have tried to contact HDI about this. I want to know why they have not got back to him or anyone else about this and I dont want a SHOT excuse because this has been much longer than that. I as a consumer want to know why HDI has let this go unresolved for so long. |
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It isn't your rifle? Why don't you contact them and ask them yourself instead of posting it on the forum? I would guess HDI would be Henderson Defense Industries.
They have an industry forum here, was the question asked there? Do you have a link on this board where this issue has been raised? Provide it. Or was it raised somewhere else? If not, why are you bringing the problem here if it wasn't your rifle? If you have already posted it in their forum here and it was ignored or deleted by them then that is another issue. |
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It isn't your rifle? Why don't you contact them and ask them yourself instead of posting it on the forum? I would guess HDI would be Henderson Defense Industries. They have an industry forum here, was the question asked there? Do you have a link on this board where this issue has been raised? Provide it. Or was it raised somewhere else? If not, why are you bringing the problem here if it wasn't your rifle? If you have already posted it in their forum here and it was ignored or deleted by them then that is another issue. There is a ongoing thread on theakforum I apologize for not mentioning that. I assumed that everyone who is into ak's and has the net visits that forum as well. If you have been on there it is a hot topic. In terms of emails HDI has never returned any email I have ever sent them regardless of what it was about. The rifle is not mine but like I said as a consumer I want answers. If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. Plus I don't want to call the place and get a BS answer. They can do it in the open if they have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so. I know I would want to set the record straight. I posted here because it will get seen more which it should be seen. It should not be put somewhere that will get little attention. I will be completely honest with you, if you have a problem with me asking a valid question I dont care. I will never care. I want an answer and I know several other people do as well. HDI are members at theakforum but they are not responding there. I was just waiting because I figured it was best but as I said before I AS A CONSUMER WANT AN ANSWER. BTW it appears you are unfamiliar with theakforum. Check it out its a great forum with a wealth of information. |
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Hmm,why not have your AKs built by someone else other then HDI? I am, but some guy got (a) Edit:2 shit builds... he paid for it and HDI is not paying any attention to him over there or his emails so I brought it up here to get answers. I want it resolved if someone has some issues with your work you come in and explain yourself or set the record straight as troy did. I think its important to not only pick up the phone when someone is calling about future work but also when someone is calling about issues with prior work. Its just basic business practices. I am going to keep bringing it up until HDI addresses the issue. I saw the pictures and the work sucks. I seriously doubt he lied about who built it so with that said it needs to be fixed at the expense of HDI. |
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When was this?
I ordered an AK-101 from HDI a while ago. It had extraction problems with numerous stovepipes. They paid for expedited shipping both ways and are replacing all the internals. Top notch service and quality still. They've always answered the phone when I called and respond to my emails by the next business day. The only time they were hard to reach was around Christmas-New Years time. But that's to be expected. |
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The 5 page thread in question:
http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=81669&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 I believe you have to be a member to view it (can join for free) and the close up pics are on page 4 if I remember correctly. |
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There is a ongoing thread on theakforum I apologize for not mentioning that. I assumed that everyone who is into ak's and has the net visits that forum as well. If you have been on there it is a hot topic. In terms of emails HDI has never returned any email I have ever sent them regardless of what it was about. The rifle is not mine but like I said as a consumer I want answers. If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. Plus I don't want to call the place and get a BS answer. They can do it in the open if they have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so. I know I would want to set the record straight. I posted here because it will get seen more which it should be seen. It should not be put somewhere that will get little attention. I will be completely honest with you, if you have a problem with me asking a valid question I dont care. I will never care. I want an answer and I know several other people do as well. HDI are members at theakforum but they are not responding there. I was just waiting because I figured it was best but as I said before I AS A CONSUMER WANT AN ANSWER. BTW it appears you are unfamiliar with theakforum. Check it out its a great forum with a wealth of information. OK...It's not your rifle but you come here instead of letting the owner bring it here? You don't care about posting it in the proper forum or you don't care if anyone questions you putting it in the proper forums on the site (feedback or HDI's Industry forum) and not in a Technical Forum? Why is the actual owner of the rifle not the one bringing the issue to the forefront? Has he assigned you as his representative? Nobody is forcing you to send your kits to Henderson Defense are they? Then why do you feel that they should answer to you about someone else's property if they don't even have your kits in their possession? I really doubt you are sending kits to them and if you are I really doubt they would build them for you. Why don't you put your real name in this posting instead of making anonymous claims that are related to ruining someone's business? A decent and honest person would have no problem with their name being known if they are going to make such claims on the Internet for some claim of injury not concerning them. This is the same type of claim you are making concerning them, that everything should be done in the open. If you have a valid claim then as you put in your own words: "You can do it in the open if you have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so". " If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. " Let's see your real name posted in your threads if this is a valid claim and not some rumor or attempt to damage a company's reputation. If Henderson Defense has a forum over on theakforum.net then it should be handled there. If the aggrieved party has complaints then they should be the one bringing it to this site and putting it in the proper forum. By the way, Henderson Defense is at the SHOT show until Monday. |
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There is a ongoing thread on theakforum I apologize for not mentioning that. I assumed that everyone who is into ak's and has the net visits that forum as well. If you have been on there it is a hot topic. In terms of emails HDI has never returned any email I have ever sent them regardless of what it was about. The rifle is not mine but like I said as a consumer I want answers. If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. Plus I don't want to call the place and get a BS answer. They can do it in the open if they have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so. I know I would want to set the record straight. I posted here because it will get seen more which it should be seen. It should not be put somewhere that will get little attention. I will be completely honest with you, if you have a problem with me asking a valid question I dont care. I will never care. I want an answer and I know several other people do as well. HDI are members at theakforum but they are not responding there. I was just waiting because I figured it was best but as I said before I AS A CONSUMER WANT AN ANSWER. BTW it appears you are unfamiliar with theakforum. Check it out its a great forum with a wealth of information. OK...It's not your rifle but you come here instead of letting the owner bring it here? You don't care about posting it in the proper forum or you don't care if anyone questions you putting it in the proper forums on the site (feedback or HDI's Industry forum) and not in a Technical Forum? Why is the actual owner of the rifle not the one bringing the issue to the forefront? Has he assigned you as his representative? Nobody is forcing you to send your kits to Henderson Defense are they? Then why do you feel that they should answer to you about someone else's property if they don't even have your kits in their possession? I really doubt you are sending kits to them and if you are I really doubt they would build them for you. Why don't you put your real name in this posting instead of making anonymous claims that are related to ruining someone's business? A decent and honest person would have no problem with their name being known if they are going to make such claims on the Internet for some claim of injury not concerning them. This is the same type of claim you are making concerning them, that everything should be done in the open. If you have a valid claim then as you put in your own words: "You can do it in the open if you have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so". " If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. " Let's see your real name posted in your threads if this is a valid claim and not some rumor or attempt to damage a company's reputation. If Henderson Defense has a forum over on theakforum.net then it should be handled there. If the aggrieved party has complaints then they should be the one bringing it to this site and putting it in the proper forum. By the way, Henderson Defense is at the SHOT show until Monday. Do you even care about the real issue or are you going to cry about me not posting it in the thread you deem correct? I came here on my own because I think he paid a professional fee for sub amateur work. Maybe you ought to go look at the work before you blindly defend it. I would appreciate if you could read my posts before making comments. I clearly stated that HDI will not address the issue there and they have been silent so I brought it up here. They at one point told him that they felt the rivets on the build were ok. So cry a river about me posting about some guy getting F'd over and not posting where you want. |
| Well there are pictures to illustrate the poor work. If you really cared about the issue you would go look at it instead of blindly defending. BTW my name is Justin Marshall . I have nothing to hide. I am not hurting their reputation. They hurt it when they made those rifles. |
| HDI had not problem completely talking down on lancaster when I told them I purchased a milled receiver from them during a phone call for a quote. They had never even seen the receiver but when on about how bad it was. I know who will do all my work on stamped AK's. |
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There is a ongoing thread on theakforum I apologize for not mentioning that. I assumed that everyone who is into ak's and has the net visits that forum as well. If you have been on there it is a hot topic. In terms of emails HDI has never returned any email I have ever sent them regardless of what it was about. The rifle is not mine but like I said as a consumer I want answers. If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. Plus I don't want to call the place and get a BS answer. They can do it in the open if they have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so. I know I would want to set the record straight. I posted here because it will get seen more which it should be seen. It should not be put somewhere that will get little attention. I will be completely honest with you, if you have a problem with me asking a valid question I dont care. I will never care. I want an answer and I know several other people do as well. HDI are members at theakforum but they are not responding there. I was just waiting because I figured it was best but as I said before I AS A CONSUMER WANT AN ANSWER. BTW it appears you are unfamiliar with theakforum. Check it out its a great forum with a wealth of information. OK...It's not your rifle but you come here instead of letting the owner bring it here? You don't care about posting it in the proper forum or you don't care if anyone questions you putting it in the proper forums on the site (feedback or HDI's Industry forum) and not in a Technical Forum? Why is the actual owner of the rifle not the one bringing the issue to the forefront? Has he assigned you as his representative? Nobody is forcing you to send your kits to Henderson Defense are they? Then why do you feel that they should answer to you about someone else's property if they don't even have your kits in their possession? I really doubt you are sending kits to them and if you are I really doubt they would build them for you. Why don't you put your real name in this posting instead of making anonymous claims that are related to ruining someone's business? A decent and honest person would have no problem with their name being known if they are going to make such claims on the Internet for some claim of injury not concerning them. This is the same type of claim you are making concerning them, that everything should be done in the open. If you have a valid claim then as you put in your own words: "You can do it in the open if you have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so". " If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. " Let's see your real name posted in your threads if this is a valid claim and not some rumor or attempt to damage a company's reputation. If Henderson Defense has a forum over on theakforum.net then it should be handled there. If the aggrieved party has complaints then they should be the one bringing it to this site and putting it in the proper forum. By the way, Henderson Defense is at the SHOT show until Monday. Do you even care about the real issue or are you going to cry about me not posting it in the thread you deem correct? I came here on my own because I think he paid a professional fee for sub amateur work. Maybe you ought to go look at the work before you blindly defend it. I would appreciate if you could read my posts before making comments. I clearly stated that HDI will not address the issue there and they have been silent so I brought it up here. They at one point told him that they felt the rivets on the build were ok. So cry a river about me posting about some guy getting F'd over and not posting where you want. K... get your head out of your butt please. The reason people are asking you if you are the OWNER is simple. Most companies contact CUSTOMERS via phone, email, and other forms of private communication. You have no idea if HDI has been in contact with them or for how long. All you have are pictures of another person's gun, and the posts of other observers. That's why others think you're trying to drag a company's name through the mud. |
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There is a ongoing thread on theakforum I apologize for not mentioning that. I assumed that everyone who is into ak's and has the net visits that forum as well. If you have been on there it is a hot topic. In terms of emails HDI has never returned any email I have ever sent them regardless of what it was about. The rifle is not mine but like I said as a consumer I want answers. If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. Plus I don't want to call the place and get a BS answer. They can do it in the open if they have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so. I know I would want to set the record straight. I posted here because it will get seen more which it should be seen. It should not be put somewhere that will get little attention. I will be completely honest with you, if you have a problem with me asking a valid question I dont care. I will never care. I want an answer and I know several other people do as well. HDI are members at theakforum but they are not responding there. I was just waiting because I figured it was best but as I said before I AS A CONSUMER WANT AN ANSWER. BTW it appears you are unfamiliar with theakforum. Check it out its a great forum with a wealth of information. OK...It's not your rifle but you come here instead of letting the owner bring it here? You don't care about posting it in the proper forum or you don't care if anyone questions you putting it in the proper forums on the site (feedback or HDI's Industry forum) and not in a Technical Forum? Why is the actual owner of the rifle not the one bringing the issue to the forefront? Has he assigned you as his representative? Nobody is forcing you to send your kits to Henderson Defense are they? Then why do you feel that they should answer to you about someone else's property if they don't even have your kits in their possession? I really doubt you are sending kits to them and if you are I really doubt they would build them for you. Why don't you put your real name in this posting instead of making anonymous claims that are related to ruining someone's business? A decent and honest person would have no problem with their name being known if they are going to make such claims on the Internet for some claim of injury not concerning them. This is the same type of claim you are making concerning them, that everything should be done in the open. If you have a valid claim then as you put in your own words: "You can do it in the open if you have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so". " If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. " Let's see your real name posted in your threads if this is a valid claim and not some rumor or attempt to damage a company's reputation. If Henderson Defense has a forum over on theakforum.net then it should be handled there. If the aggrieved party has complaints then they should be the one bringing it to this site and putting it in the proper forum. By the way, Henderson Defense is at the SHOT show until Monday. Do you even care about the real issue or are you going to cry about me not posting it in the thread you deem correct? I came here on my own because I think he paid a professional fee for sub amateur work. Maybe you ought to go look at the work before you blindly defend it. I would appreciate if you could read my posts before making comments. I clearly stated that HDI will not address the issue there and they have been silent so I brought it up here. They at one point told him that they felt the rivets on the build were ok. So cry a river about me posting about some guy getting F'd over and not posting where you want. K... get your head out of your butt please. The reason people are asking you if you are the OWNER is simple. Most companies contact CUSTOMERS via phone, email, and other forms of private communication. You have no idea if HDI has been in contact with them or for how long. All you have are pictures of another person's gun, and the posts of other observers. That's why others think you're trying to drag a company's name through the mud. Maybe you are right. However, they did send the rifles out fucked and that is undeniable. Then they said that the rivets were ok but should not have been mismatched. Flat rivets have their place but they did not belong there period. The work sucked and they let it leave there like that. |
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There is a ongoing thread on theakforum I apologize for not mentioning that. I assumed that everyone who is into ak's and has the net visits that forum as well. If you have been on there it is a hot topic. In terms of emails HDI has never returned any email I have ever sent them regardless of what it was about. The rifle is not mine but like I said as a consumer I want answers. If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. Plus I don't want to call the place and get a BS answer. They can do it in the open if they have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so. I know I would want to set the record straight. I posted here because it will get seen more which it should be seen. It should not be put somewhere that will get little attention. I will be completely honest with you, if you have a problem with me asking a valid question I dont care. I will never care. I want an answer and I know several other people do as well. HDI are members at theakforum but they are not responding there. I was just waiting because I figured it was best but as I said before I AS A CONSUMER WANT AN ANSWER. BTW it appears you are unfamiliar with theakforum. Check it out its a great forum with a wealth of information. OK...It's not your rifle but you come here instead of letting the owner bring it here? You don't care about posting it in the proper forum or you don't care if anyone questions you putting it in the proper forums on the site (feedback or HDI's Industry forum) and not in a Technical Forum? Why is the actual owner of the rifle not the one bringing the issue to the forefront? Has he assigned you as his representative? Nobody is forcing you to send your kits to Henderson Defense are they? Then why do you feel that they should answer to you about someone else's property if they don't even have your kits in their possession? I really doubt you are sending kits to them and if you are I really doubt they would build them for you. Why don't you put your real name in this posting instead of making anonymous claims that are related to ruining someone's business? A decent and honest person would have no problem with their name being known if they are going to make such claims on the Internet for some claim of injury not concerning them. This is the same type of claim you are making concerning them, that everything should be done in the open. If you have a valid claim then as you put in your own words: "You can do it in the open if you have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so". " If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. " Let's see your real name posted in your threads if this is a valid claim and not some rumor or attempt to damage a company's reputation. If Henderson Defense has a forum over on theakforum.net then it should be handled there. If the aggrieved party has complaints then they should be the one bringing it to this site and putting it in the proper forum. By the way, Henderson Defense is at the SHOT show until Monday. Do you even care about the real issue or are you going to cry about me not posting it in the thread you deem correct? I came here on my own because I think he paid a professional fee for sub amateur work. Maybe you ought to go look at the work before you blindly defend it. I would appreciate if you could read my posts before making comments. I clearly stated that HDI will not address the issue there and they have been silent so I brought it up here. They at one point told him that they felt the rivets on the build were ok. So cry a river about me posting about some guy getting F'd over and not posting where you want. K... get your head out of your butt please. The reason people are asking you if you are the OWNER is simple. Most companies contact CUSTOMERS via phone, email, and other forms of private communication. You have no idea if HDI has been in contact with them or for how long. All you have are pictures of another person's gun, and the posts of other observers. That's why others think you're trying to drag a company's name through the mud. Maybe you are right. However, they did send the rifles out fucked and that is undeniable. Then they said that the rivets were ok but should not have been mismatched. Flat rivets have their place but they did not belong there period. The work sucked and they let it leave there like that. Then give them a chance to correct their mistake. |
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Do you even care about the real issue or are you going to cry about me not posting it in the thread you deem correct? I came here on my own because I think he paid a professional fee for sub amateur work. Maybe you ought to go look at the work before you blindly defend it. I would appreciate if you could read my posts before making comments. I clearly stated that HDI will not address the issue there and they have been silent so I brought it up here. They at one point told him that they felt the rivets on the build were ok. So cry a river about me posting about some guy getting F'd over and not posting where you want. If you aren't the owner of the rifle in question then post your name in your thread and don't do it anonymously. I haven't defended their work. I could care less. If the owner of the rifle comes and makes a complaint himself with full knowledge from HDI on who the rifle belongs to that is one thing. You making an anonymous attack on a business you are not involved with is another. As of right now, if you aren't the owner of the rifle you are just someone anonymously slandering the company, I don't care what company it is, identify yourself as either the owner of the rifle or post your name instead of just some bullshit anonymous slandering. If it happened at theakforum, then all of those experts and owners of that board should be the ones to sort the issue out. Not you bringing it over here and dragging it through a technical forum. That wouldn't be allowed over at theakforum, they don't allow posting of anything the owners don't agree with so why should you be allowed to come over here and post in the incorrect forum a slanderous attack which you won't even put your real name to? |
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There is a ongoing thread on theakforum I apologize for not mentioning that. I assumed that everyone who is into ak's and has the net visits that forum as well. If you have been on there it is a hot topic. In terms of emails HDI has never returned any email I have ever sent them regardless of what it was about. The rifle is not mine but like I said as a consumer I want answers. If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. Plus I don't want to call the place and get a BS answer. They can do it in the open if they have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so. I know I would want to set the record straight. I posted here because it will get seen more which it should be seen. It should not be put somewhere that will get little attention. I will be completely honest with you, if you have a problem with me asking a valid question I dont care. I will never care. I want an answer and I know several other people do as well. HDI are members at theakforum but they are not responding there. I was just waiting because I figured it was best but as I said before I AS A CONSUMER WANT AN ANSWER. BTW it appears you are unfamiliar with theakforum. Check it out its a great forum with a wealth of information. OK...It's not your rifle but you come here instead of letting the owner bring it here? You don't care about posting it in the proper forum or you don't care if anyone questions you putting it in the proper forums on the site (feedback or HDI's Industry forum) and not in a Technical Forum? Why is the actual owner of the rifle not the one bringing the issue to the forefront? Has he assigned you as his representative? Nobody is forcing you to send your kits to Henderson Defense are they? Then why do you feel that they should answer to you about someone else's property if they don't even have your kits in their possession? I really doubt you are sending kits to them and if you are I really doubt they would build them for you. Why don't you put your real name in this posting instead of making anonymous claims that are related to ruining someone's business? A decent and honest person would have no problem with their name being known if they are going to make such claims on the Internet for some claim of injury not concerning them. This is the same type of claim you are making concerning them, that everything should be done in the open. If you have a valid claim then as you put in your own words: "You can do it in the open if you have done nothing wrong they would be more than willing to do so". " If they have done nothing wrong they can clear their name. " Let's see your real name posted in your threads if this is a valid claim and not some rumor or attempt to damage a company's reputation. If Henderson Defense has a forum over on theakforum.net then it should be handled there. If the aggrieved party has complaints then they should be the one bringing it to this site and putting it in the proper forum. By the way, Henderson Defense is at the SHOT show until Monday. Do you even care about the real issue or are you going to cry about me not posting it in the thread you deem correct? I came here on my own because I think he paid a professional fee for sub amateur work. Maybe you ought to go look at the work before you blindly defend it. I would appreciate if you could read my posts before making comments. I clearly stated that HDI will not address the issue there and they have been silent so I brought it up here. They at one point told him that they felt the rivets on the build were ok. So cry a river about me posting about some guy getting F'd over and not posting where you want. K... get your head out of your butt please. The reason people are asking you if you are the OWNER is simple. Most companies contact CUSTOMERS via phone, email, and other forms of private communication. You have no idea if HDI has been in contact with them or for how long. All you have are pictures of another person's gun, and the posts of other observers. That's why others think you're trying to drag a company's name through the mud. Maybe you are right. However, they did send the rifles out fucked and that is undeniable. Then they said that the rivets were ok but should not have been mismatched. Flat rivets have their place but they did not belong there period. The work sucked and they let it leave there like that. Then give them a chance to correct their mistake. So far their reaction was to send a cleaning rod and refund the shipping charges. The rivits suck. It is not like it is a quick fix like a canted sight. Thats not ok. |
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Do you even care about the real issue or are you going to cry about me not posting it in the thread you deem correct? I came here on my own because I think he paid a professional fee for sub amateur work. Maybe you ought to go look at the work before you blindly defend it. I would appreciate if you could read my posts before making comments. I clearly stated that HDI will not address the issue there and they have been silent so I brought it up here. They at one point told him that they felt the rivets on the build were ok. So cry a river about me posting about some guy getting F'd over and not posting where you want. If you aren't the owner of the rifle in question then post your name in your thread and don't do it anonymously. I haven't defended their work. I could care less. If the owner of the rifle comes and makes a complaint himself with full knowledge from HDI on who the rifle belongs to that is one thing. You making an anonymous attack on a business you are not involved with is another. As of right now, if you aren't the owner of the rifle you are just someone anonymously slandering the company, I don't care what company it is, identify yourself as either the owner of the rifle or post your name instead of just some bullshit anonymous slandering. If it happened at theakforum, then all of those experts and owners of that board should be the ones to sort the issue out. Not you bringing it over here and dragging it through a technical forum. That wouldn't be allowed over at theakforum, they don't allow posting of anything the owners don't agree with so why should you be allowed to come over here and post in the incorrect forum a slanderous attack which you won't even put your real name to? Well thanks for proving my point. You do not read my posts. I have already provided my name. For future reference slander only occurs when some says something untrue about someone or an entity. So first off I have not stated any false statements therefore no libel or slander has been committed. Second since I wrote all of this, had I been lying which we all know I have not, it would be called libel. It seems you do not visit theakforum so how would you know what they would do? The discussion thread is technically not a technical forum. It is a discussion forum. Where things get discussed. so here we are. From some of your statements it appears you do not feel theakforum is a technical forum. You are missing out on a lot of info. |
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And if by stating facts I have no idea how I could be dragging their name in the mud. They made the rifles. The did a bad job. I dont like it. So I voiced it. Get over it. You don't like it? So you are the owner of the rifle in question? Do you not read? Are you serious? I have stated already that I am not the owner. Look I am done with you. You are not an individual who cares to address facts. You seem to be run on emotion. Which is fine but this is a factual issue and your emotional tie to HDI has rendered you blind |
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I've got no ties to HDI, haven't done any business with them. Here go to this link, you will see that the AK Discussion forum is a Technical Forum
Rules are loose in the AK Technical forum, but I personally have an intolerance for those that want to post attacks against companies when they are not the aggrieved party. It seems suspicious. If the theakforum can't handle the individuals problem then why are you getting involved on this witch hunt if the owner of the firearm has not contracted you as a representative. Or you aren't the owner of the rifle yourself? Instead you go on a rant when HDI is out of town at the SHOT show and try to ruin his chances of getting the firearm fixed? There are proper forums to address this problem if the actual owner wants to address them. You say you aren't the owner and this isn't the proper venue. |
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Do you even care about the real issue or are you going to cry about me not posting it in the thread you deem correct? I came here on my own because I think he paid a professional fee for sub amateur work. Maybe you ought to go look at the work before you blindly defend it. I would appreciate if you could read my posts before making comments. I clearly stated that HDI will not address the issue there and they have been silent so I brought it up here. They at one point told him that they felt the rivets on the build were ok. So cry a river about me posting about some guy getting F'd over and not posting where you want. If you aren't the owner of the rifle in question then post your name in your thread and don't do it anonymously. I haven't defended their work. I could care less. If the owner of the rifle comes and makes a complaint himself with full knowledge from HDI on who the rifle belongs to that is one thing. You making an anonymous attack on a business you are not involved with is another. As of right now, if you aren't the owner of the rifle you are just someone anonymously slandering the company, I don't care what company it is, identify yourself as either the owner of the rifle or post your name instead of just some bullshit anonymous slandering. If it happened at theakforum, then all of those experts and owners of that board should be the ones to sort the issue out. Not you bringing it over here and dragging it through a technical forum. That wouldn't be allowed over at theakforum, they don't allow posting of anything the owners don't agree with so why should you be allowed to come over here and post in the incorrect forum a slanderous attack which you won't even put your real name to? In fact when you made the false allegation that I was committing slander when I infact was not you yourself committed libel by defamating of my character. |
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n. 1. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation. 2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone. re·port (r-pôrt -prt) n. 1. An account presented usually in detail. 2. A formal account of the proceedings or transactions of a group. 3. A published collection of authoritative accounts of court cases or of judicial decisions. Often used in the plural. 4. Common talk; rumor or gossip: For HDI's future reference: Quoted:
Well there are pictures to illustrate the poor work. If you really cared about the issue you would go look at it instead of blindly defending. BTW my name is Justin Marshall . I have nothing to hide. I am not hurting their reputation. They hurt it when they made those rifles. |
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I've got no ties to HDI, haven't done any business with them. Here go to this link, you will see that the AK Discussion forum is a Technical Forum Rules are loose in the AK Technical for, but I personally have an intolerance for those that want to post attacks against companies when they are not the aggrieved party. It seems suspicious. If the theakforum can't handle the individuals problem then why are you getting involved on this witch hunt if the owner of the firearm has not contracted you as a representative. Or you aren't the owner of the rifle yourself? Instead you go on a rant when HDI is out of town at the SHOT show and try to ruin his chances of getting the firearm fixed? There are proper forums to address this problem if the actual owner wants to address them. You say you aren't the owner and this isn't the proper venue. Wow a real piece of work. So you feel that it is theakforum's duty to get HDI decent work? INTERESTING. I have stated that I am bringing this up because it was wrong but in your ideals it is wrong to question just take it. So why exactly do you feel that by me stating a fact about the work that HDI did on this guys rifles would motivate them to not make good on their poor workmanship that was done on those two specific rifles? See this is no attack its a question if you feel that questions are threatening then that too is interesting. But this is my final response to you. If you feel that you can handle discussing the issues about the rifles then I will continue to speak with you but at this point you just want argue. I do not know why you feel I can not pose a question in this forum that is related to a builder bewilders me beyond belief. |
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slan·der (slndr) n. 1. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation. 2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone. re·port (r-pôrt -prt) n. 1. An account presented usually in detail. 2. A formal account of the proceedings or transactions of a group. 3. A published collection of authoritative accounts of court cases or of judicial decisions. Often used in the plural. 4. Common talk; rumor or gossip: Cute but you bold the wrong words there. See they have to be false or malicious. |
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slan·der (slndr) n. 1. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation. 2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone. re·port (r-pôrt -prt) n. 1. An account presented usually in detail. 2. A formal account of the proceedings or transactions of a group. 3. A published collection of authoritative accounts of court cases or of judicial decisions. Often used in the plural. 4. Common talk; rumor or gossip: Cute but you bold the wrong words there. See they have to be false or malicious. Making a report or statement that is factual is in no way slander. |
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Wow a real piece of work. So you feel that it is theakforum's duty to get HDI decent work? INTERESTING. I have stated that I am bringing this up because it was wrong but in your ideals it is wrong to question just take it. So why exactly do you feel that by me stating a fact about the work that HDI did on this guys rifles would motivate them to not make good on their poor workmanship that was done on those two specific rifles? See this is no attack its a question if you feel that questions are threatening then that too is interesting. But this is my final response to you. If you feel that you can handle discussing the issues about the rifles then I will continue to speak with you but at this point you just want argue. I do not know why you feel I can not pose a question in this forum that is related to a builder bewilders me beyond belief. Hey slick, I know it may be a bit too much for you to understand but there are proper forums for problems to be handled. When a problem occurs on this site it is handled on this site in the proper forum on the Equipment Exchange where site staff and moderators contact the problem individual and work it out for the aggrieved party. Now I know this might be too hard for you to understand, but a frigging Technical Forum is not the place for an Equipment Exchange problem from a vendor. The Feedback Forum on the EE is the place to handle it. AR15.com handles problems involving the membership of this site. But you want them to handle the problems of the membership of theakforum now for an individual who won't come forward on his own. Do you want AR15.com to handle the problems on Craigslist? How about Walmart? Taco Bell? I have a problem with my neighbor across the street. Should I contact the owners of AR15.com to handle that for me? Now, a member of this site had a little problem with a guy here in Arizona who sold him a gun on gunbroker. He contacted me off the board, not in a Technical Forum and asked if I could help him with the problem. I did and got some guys involved and got his gun for him. You can read about it here. You will see from the comment from Site Staff that it wasn't the first time I helped someone with a problem with getting a firearm or getting one repaired. But the guy who was the actual buyer (i.e. owner) didn't bring it into a Technical Forum and I asked site staff for permission before I posted it in the HTF. I went through proper channels and got it OKed first. Now really, if you aren't the owner, it didn't happen on this board, it isn't posted in the correct forum and you come off as an ass stating you are going to close your account if the thread gets deleted even though you didn't post it in the correct place. Well, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, slick. I guess AR15.com just needs to close down all the technical forums and have nothing but a crew of guys working on problems that arise over on every other gun website. |
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Wow a real piece of work. So you feel that it is theakforum's duty to get HDI decent work? INTERESTING. I have stated that I am bringing this up because it was wrong but in your ideals it is wrong to question just take it. So why exactly do you feel that by me stating a fact about the work that HDI did on this guys rifles would motivate them to not make good on their poor workmanship that was done on those two specific rifles? See this is no attack its a question if you feel that questions are threatening then that too is interesting. But this is my final response to you. If you feel that you can handle discussing the issues about the rifles then I will continue to speak with you but at this point you just want argue. I do not know why you feel I can not pose a question in this forum that is related to a builder bewilders me beyond belief. Hey slick, I know it may be a bit too much for you to understand but there are proper forums for problems to be handled. When a problem occurs on this site it is handled on this site in the proper forum on the Equipment Exchange where site staff and moderators contact the problem individual and work it out for the aggrieved party. Now I know this might be too hard for you to understand, but a frigging Technical Forum is not the place for an Equipment Exchange problem from a vendor. The Feedback Forum on the EE is the place to handle it. AR15.com handles problems involving the membership of this site. But you want them to handle the problems of the membership of theakforum now for an individual who won't come forward on his own. Do you want AR15.com to handle the problems on Craigslist? How about Walmart? Taco Bell? I have a problem with my neighbor across the street. Should I contact the owners of AR15.com to handle that for me? Now, a member of this site had a little problem with a guy here in Arizona who sold him a gun on gunbroker. He contacted me off the board, not in a Technical Forum and asked if I could help him with the problem. I did and got some guys involved and got his gun for him. You can read about it here. You will see from the comment from Site Staff that it wasn't the first time I helped someone with a problem with getting a firearm or getting one repaired. But the guy who was the actual buyer (i.e. owner) didn't bring it into a Technical Forum and I asked site staff for permission before I posted it in the HTF. I went through proper channels and got it OKed first. Now really, if you aren't the owner, it didn't happen on this board, it isn't posted in the correct forum and you come off as an ass stating you are going to close your account if the thread gets deleted even though you didn't post it in the correct place. Well, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, slick. I guess AR15.com just needs to close down all the technical forums and have nothing but a crew of guys working on problems that arise over on every other gun website. Did I email you to fix it? Did I say oh please ar15 fix these rifles. Fuck no. I stated facts about builds. Go cry to someone else. This is the right place. It needs to be discussed but you and I going at this is not going to help any. You dont care that the rifles were built poorly. You care to get this away from everyone's eyes and posted in some dark corner of the forum. Hide it quick it has facts. See had you went to look at the pictures we would have been able to have a discussion about the rivets. There is quite a bit of technical discussion that could have occurred here however you wanted to look at this superficially and complain that I posted here rather than having a real discussion. |
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Here are some pics. Not my rifle either but I think its reasonable to believe that HDI feels these are acceptable. That thread has been going on for a few weeks. The rivets are set decently and I am sure it would be 100% safe. The way they arbitrarily flattened them is lazy though.
If you have ever built an AK you know that you can't just bang out rivets and not noticce how each is turning out. Even those guys do them one at a time. I feel this is no different that talking about Keyholing issues with Century Tantals or poor fit and finish on an arsenal. Its not slander or attacks just a heads up on a substantiated issue. 
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I'll make this simple. If someone wants to post here asking about this companies work, that is fine.
If someone has a problem with one of their builds, that is up to the owner to post, and they can deal with that in the proper forum. This is not the proper forum. Someone coming here and complaining about another persons rifle, well that is just strange. I'm locking this thread, and if you don't like it, well 
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