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Posted: 10/28/2008 6:29:55 AM EDT
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Hello all,
I have an Arsenal Milled SAM-7 Carbine that I recently bought, but due to circumstances I **might** sell. My question is if OSAMA gets elected...How much can I expect for this rifle? (NO BAN configuration) I really want to wait until after the elections to **possibly** sell it. Thanks! 
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Hello all, I have an Arsenal Milled SAM-7 Carbine that I recently bought, but due to circumstances I **might** sell. My question is if OSAMA gets elected...How much can I expect for this rifle? (NO BAN configuration) I really want to wait until after the elections to **possibly** sell it. Thanks! It will probably be NFA then, I'd bet someone in the range of other NFA weapons, like $10,000-$50,000 depending on how long you're willing to hold onto it. Of course, if Obama single confiscates ALL GUNS your only option will be the black market, but you'll have to convert it to full auto, first. Probably worth a moderately attactive woman not older than 25, or maybe a dozen kilos of crack on the black market. 
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Look, if Obama bans the ammo, underground manufacturers will produce it.
If Obama bans assault weapons, the serial numbers will disappear off these guys and they will be sold on the black market. Like trying to confiscate gold, it will never work. The rifles would shoot up in value to heights never seen before. Remove tin foil hat, please. |
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Look, if Obama bans the ammo, underground manufacturers will produce it. If Obama bans assault weapons, the serial numbers will disappear off these guys and they will be sold on the black market. Like trying to confiscate gold, it will never work. The rifles would shoot up in value to heights never seen before. Remove tin foil hat, please. Riiiight.... that super cheap and reliable underground ammo... and millions of law abiding citizens committing felonies..... Although no one can predict the future... I find that all a stretch. |
| Is the presidential limo going to have Dubs? i don't know but you would think the prices would go up if Obamba gets elected. I think all the buying in the last year or so is due to the fact that a Democrat "might" get elected along with a couple of bills that have been brought up in the House. If a democrat indeed does get elected well there you go. Time will tell. I remember all the panic buying right before the last AWB was passed. People who never owned a gun were buying them just because the government said they couldn't have one. |
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Look, if Obama bans the ammo, underground manufacturers will produce it. If Obama bans assault weapons, the serial numbers will disappear off these guys and they will be sold on the black market. Like trying to confiscate gold, it will never work. The rifles would shoot up in value to heights never seen before. Remove tin foil hat, please. Riiiight.... that super cheap and reliable underground ammo... and millions of law abiding citizens committing felonies..... Although no one can predict the future... I find that all a stretch. Admittedly the former is harder. Out of the hundreds of thousands of AKs in Americans' hands, I'm quite sure a few thousand will re-enter circulation with erased markings. That lack of supply will couple with the drying up of ammo, which I argue would still be available through underground shipments from Russia (remember that very few cargo containers are ever inspected and Mexico will always continue to be a very fluid border).  In an outright ban on AWB without grandfathering, I think there will be many people who'll just shrug their shoulders on obtaining such goodies.
As far as the underground manufacturing of ammo: AKs need reliable ammo? Also, isn't creating bullets about as easy to do underground as making moonshine? |
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Ban = no imported ammo, but god forbid we still have US made 7.62x39
A ban would devastate the 5.45 IMO. 
My local funstore recently has been telling people that the US ammo will have a 500% mark up. I believe this is rumor at the moment and i dont know their source, but i will look into it. Will there be a ban if Obama is elected, maybe not, but prices will increase dramatically. Its hard to put a price on a rifle if you dont have a sufficient supply of ammo. gl rube |
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Admittedly the former is harder. Out of the hundreds of thousands of AKs in Americans' hands, I'm quite sure a few thousand will re-enter circulation with erased markings. That lack of supply will couple with the drying up of ammo, which I argue would still be available through underground shipments from Russia (remember that very few cargo containers are ever inspected and Mexico will always continue to be a very fluid border). In an outright ban on AWB without grandfathering, I think there will be many people who'll just shrug their shoulders on obtaining such goodies.
As far as the underground manufacturing of ammo: AKs need reliable ammo? Also, isn't creating bullets about as easy to do underground as making moonshine? Dude, are you like 17 or something? By your logic, tens of thousands of people would be in their basements converting their semi AK's to full auto, that would completely fool the feds because of their "erased markings" (WTF does this mean? javascript:insertText(' ');) and be listing them on the EE for a premium.
The reality is, for better or for worse, most of us are law abiding folks and contraband weapons are more or less worthless as no one wants to touch them with a ten foot pole. |
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Quoted: http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/06/austin_powers_mike_myers_as_dr_evil.jpg One million dollars?  |
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stocked to the gills in 5.45? Not yet. I only have 3k. Need about another 5k to be
somewhat happy. As for all this, I am buying a 556 barrel. So if the ammo problem pervails, I have an option. Not a cheap one, but still an option. As for an absolute all weapons ban. Doubt it highly. That kind of law takes a LOT of action. IMO, I'm not so sure OSAMA could get all the states to follow in the process. Look at how long it took prohibition to pass. And then look at how fast it was revoked. Personally I think (and I'm a bit extreme in this thought) that if an AWB went into effect, you'd be seeing some major civil strife in the US. |
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AFA: To get back to the point honestly you will be making a bet either way just as others said. If next week turns into Obamanation then IMHO prices will spike on pretty much anything "Evil." Prices as of now have gone up already do to the potential Dem take over. Check out the EE and Gunbroker and you'll see what I'm saying. Strange thing is the price differential between "Quality" AK's like the Milled SAM's and such and "regular" AK's such as the SAR-1 have gone down (From my research at least.) Its like people just want AK's and such before next week just in case they cant get them after. Flip side to this is if McCain wins and prices actually go down given all the last minute buying will stop and some will actually sell the "Extra" stuff they bought just in case. Supply goes up and Demand goes down. Obviously a buyers market.
Bottom line: complete gamble as polls mean nothing |
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AFA: To get back to the point honestly you will be making a bet either way just as others said. If next week turns into Obamanation then IMHO prices will spike on pretty much anything "Evil." Prices as of now have gone up already do to the potential Dem take over. Check out the EE and Gunbroker and you'll see what I'm saying. Strange thing is the price differential between "Quality" AK's like the Milled SAM's and such and "regular" AK's such as the SAR-1 have gone down (From my research at least.) Its like people just want AK's and such before next week just in case they cant get them after. Flip side to this is if McCain wins and prices actually go down given all the last minute buying will stop and some will actually sell the "Extra" stuff they bought just in case. Supply goes up and Demand goes down. Obviously a buyers market. Bottom line: complete gamble as polls mean nothing So now I know when to vote for socialist #1 or socialist #2. On what day do I vote for a real candidate like Baldwin or Barr?
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stocked to the gills in 5.45? Not yet. I only have 3k. Need about another 5k to be somewhat happy. As for all this, I am buying a 556 barrel. So if the ammo problem pervails, I have an option. Not a cheap one, but still an option. As for an absolute all weapons ban. Doubt it highly. That kind of law takes a LOT of action. IMO, I'm not so sure OSAMA could get all the states to follow in the process. Look at how long it took prohibition to pass. And then look at how fast it was revoked. Personally I think (and I'm a bit extreme in this thought) that if an AWB went into effect, you'd be seeing some major civil strife in the US. Not as extreme as you think... |
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Admittedly the former is harder. Out of the hundreds of thousands of AKs in Americans' hands, I'm quite sure a few thousand will re-enter circulation with erased markings. That lack of supply will couple with the drying up of ammo, which I argue would still be available through underground shipments from Russia (remember that very few cargo containers are ever inspected and Mexico will always continue to be a very fluid border). In an outright ban on AWB without grandfathering, I think there will be many people who'll just shrug their shoulders on obtaining such goodies.
As far as the underground manufacturing of ammo: AKs need reliable ammo? Also, isn't creating bullets about as easy to do underground as making moonshine? Dude, are you like 17 or something? By your logic, tens of thousands of people would be in their basements converting their semi AK's to full auto, that would completely fool the feds because of their "erased markings" (WTF does this mean?) and be listing them on the EE for a premium. The reality is, for better or for worse, most of us are law abiding folks and contraband weapons are more or less worthless as no one wants to touch them with a ten foot pole. How much are illegal AKs worth in foreign countries? Quite a lot I hear, at least with respect to the average GDP per capita. All the poster was asking was how much prices would go up, not asking about the legality of transacting with them. When gold is illegal to own again, like in 1933, I would imagine prices would skyrocket. But just like guns, a lot more people than you think would indeed be touching and buying them. Now that Comrades Bush/Paulson are in the process of hyperinflating the dollar with endless bailouts, what functions as a proper currency when you have a Weimar Republic styled economy? Guns and gold. Let me repeat: Guns and gold. Especially durable and reliable AKs. No, I'm in my 30's, well educated, and an AK owner 
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stocked to the gills in 5.45? Not yet. I only have 3k. Need about another 5k to be somewhat happy. As for all this, I am buying a 556 barrel. So if the ammo problem pervails, I have an option. Not a cheap one, but still an option. As for an absolute all weapons ban. Doubt it highly. That kind of law takes a LOT of action. IMO, I'm not so sure OSAMA could get all the states to follow in the process. Look at how long it took prohibition to pass. And then look at how fast it was revoked. Personally I think (and I'm a bit extreme in this thought) that if an AWB went into effect, you'd be seeing some major civil strife in the US. Not as extreme as you think... I'm confident it would be an AWB with a grandfather clause. Do you honestly think Dems like Jim Webb (a veteran and pro-gun blue dog) would sign on with such nonsense as a door-2-door confiscation avenue? |
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