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6/27/2008 7:22:17 AM EDT
i was thinking (cue dramatic music):

54r relatively economical for a full caliber BR round.  is anyone out there producing/ importing an autoloading rifle not designed for the DM role?  i believe ive seen a short barrel tigre with irons before....would be a tough gun to beat.  im thinking a eastern version of the springfield socom 16.
6/27/2008 7:34:24 AM EDT
[#1]
Start with a Romanian PSL.....Chop it down, add a folding stock and railed fore end.
6/27/2008 7:37:29 AM EDT
[#2]
The Russian went straight for the assault rifle and never went through the MBR phase.
6/27/2008 7:40:12 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Start with a Romanian PSL.....Chop it down, add a folding stock and railed fore end.


Probably the only option.

You'd have to chop the barrel, then maybe try and mod the reciever to accept AK furniture. You'd still be limited to 10 round mags unless you wanna try and get real creative...maybe mod the gun to take Bren or ZB-39 mags (which may not even be possible).
6/27/2008 8:01:28 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
The Russian went straight for the assault rifle and never went through the MBR phase.


We liked to employ out Assault Rifles like mini-battle rifles.
We made the Thompson with a long ranged rear sight and it was 10 pounds.
Look at what we did with the A2, we made it into a long ranged battle rifle
We like to use LMGs for the base of fire and to achieve fire superiority, and then use rifles for precision shots on individual targets.


The Russians employed theirs like long ranged SMGs.
Go from using weapons like the ppsh to the AK.
In russian doctrine, the majority of the squad have their AKs on auto.  On engaging the enemy, they all fire bursts to achieve fire superiority.  After that has been achieve, they switch to semi to put aimed shots on people once they have closed the distance.

Edit:  I'm not saying that the Ruskies didn't use battle rifles.  Remember bolt actions are battle rifles too (Mosin Nagant).  I'm just mentioning the mentality.

A PSL converted would prob be the OP's best bet.
6/27/2008 8:06:38 AM EDT
[#5]
SVT-38

SVT-40


I believe these qualify as a battle rifles.
6/27/2008 8:17:28 AM EDT
[#6]
The SVTs certianly count, but they're expensive, rare, and limited to 10 round magazines. It would take a lot of work to convert one to a "Socom 16"-similar configuration.

Also, IMO, cutting one up would be unforgivable.
6/27/2008 10:49:43 AM EDT
[#7]
The best way to get a Commie version of a SOCOM 16 would be to start with the Saiga .308 with 16" barrel and then Tacticool it as desired.  Sticking with the 7.62 x 54R really limits your options.  You could build any flavor you like with the big Saiga and everything is readily available.
6/27/2008 10:51:24 AM EDT
[#8]
Don't they make 7.62x54mmR Saigas but not import them?
6/27/2008 12:57:48 PM EDT
[#9]
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Quoted:
The Russian went straight for the assault rifle and never went through the MBR phase.



They didn't issue "battle rifles" to everyone. However, the TOE always has been different than ours. They have been doing the DM thing for a hellava lot longer than we have. Their TOE calls for 1 SVD per platoon. And before the SVD came out ( I think that was in 1963) they used Mosin Nagant Sniper rifles for the same purpose. In Afghanistan their paratroop units began to issue as many as 3 per platoon, due to the marksmanship abilities of their Afghan opponents. At any rate, as far as I know there never were any mags bigger than 10 rds for any of the PSL/SVD/ Al-Kedisiah rifles. For that matter, I don't think I have ever heard of a weapon in that caliber that did, other than machine guns. I have seen some pics of pretty neat setups on the newer SVDSs though, in regards to tactical attacthments.
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