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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:59:59 AM EDT
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I installed an Ultimak on my x39 Arsenal. Installed Bushnell TRS25. Love the co-witness. However, after 2 mags, front lens flew out. Will return optic but want to install something else. Must co-witness. Opinions?
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| You've got a quality rifle, get a decent optic -Aimpoint Micro. Buy once, cry once! I run several on various platforms and have never seen one fail in training/hard use. Mine never get turned off. I just changed a battery that had been in constant use for 5yrs. It was still going strong! |
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I installed an Ultimak on my x39 Arsenal. Installed Bushnell TRS25. Love the co-witness. However, after 2 mags, front lens flew out. Will return optic but want to install something else. Must co-witness. Opinions? Front fell off! Wow, they just don't make the TRS-25's like they used to. I have an old Gen1 with the bluer glass and it's seen 2k+ rounds out of my AK with no issues.. still running. If you're going for budget, I suggest the Holosun 503GU (circle dot without the silly solar cell). It's held up extremely well on my other AK and the reticle seems fitting for the x39 caliber. |
| Personally, I got the Aimpoint to get the most reliable red dot I could to go with one of the most reliable rifles on earth. But I wouldn't hesitate to get the Primary Arms Advance red dot since it has similar features, and has been proving itself very well among the community along with a company that backs it with a lifetime warranty. Primary Arms has very good customer service and are good people. |
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Buy a used Aimpoint Comp/M2. Same price and exponentially better optic. regardless vortex sparc/II/AR is a great choice, PA's new micro dot with lifetime warranty, and holosun would also be a solid option without breaking the bank. My sparc has held up quite well on my ultimak tube. |
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Quoted: not a good choice for an ultimak setup. a micro t1/h1 yes, not a M2. regardless vortex sparc/II/AR is a great choice, PA's new micro dot with lifetime warranty, and holosun would also be a solid option without breaking the bank. My sparc has held up quite well on my ultimak tube. |
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I installed an Ultimak on my x39 Arsenal. Installed Bushnell TRS25. Love the co-witness. However, after 2 mags, front lens flew out. Will return optic but want to install something else. Must co-witness. Opinions? Front fell off! From what I hear it's hit or miss with these. TRS 25 has a one year warranty and from my experience when problems develop, they usually do right away like in your case. I just picked up a TRS 25 myself for $44.00. |
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not a good choice for an ultimak setup. a micro t1/h1 yes, not a M2. regardless vortex sparc/II/AR is a great choice, PA's new micro dot with lifetime warranty, and holosun would also be a solid option without breaking the bank. My sparc has held up quite well on my ultimak tube. Quoted:
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Buy a used Aimpoint Comp/M2. Same price and exponentially better optic. regardless vortex sparc/II/AR is a great choice, PA's new micro dot with lifetime warranty, and holosun would also be a solid option without breaking the bank. My sparc has held up quite well on my ultimak tube. 
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Quoted: You're right, it's not a good choice, it's an excellent choice. I have used a T1, R1, and an M2 on an Ultimak. The M2/Comp/Pro provides a better field of view, especially given the longer distance from your eye to the rear of the optic and allows more room for error. With the right mount, it co-witnesses too. http://jerkingthetrigger.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ultimak_M2-460x345.jpg Isn't that why many folks run a micro dot on an AK with Ultimak rail? |
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What about the weight on an already nose heavy Ak? Isn't that why many folks run a micro dot on an AK with Ultimak rail? Quoted:
Quoted: You're right, it's not a good choice, it's an excellent choice. I have used a T1, R1, and an M2 on an Ultimak. The M2/Comp/Pro provides a better field of view, especially given the longer distance from your eye to the rear of the optic and allows more room for error. With the right mount, it co-witnesses too. http://jerkingthetrigger.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ultimak_M2-460x345.jpg Isn't that why many folks run a micro dot on an AK with Ultimak rail? Getting off topic here, but if you want the benefits of the larger lens of the M2, but less weight, the Trijicon MRO does both... weighs about the same as a Micro, but the prices for used ones are not on par with what the OP is looking for. Another alternative to keep the weight further back would be to use something like the Attero Arms mount, then just use the Ultimak for your WML. Not my picture, but you get the idea. I have this mount on a Mini Draco pistol with an Aimpoint Micro... works great. 
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| pk01vs. the best imho. integrated mount, cheaper than most of alternatives, returns back to zero, 1 Moa dot (huge plus for me) and really well made and durable, I have two of them, Never have had a problem, i dropped One two Times from about 3 feet, no damage and it retained zero. The only problem Could Be that it is not manifactured in the u.s.a. so Assistance From The company Belomo could be slow, Even if I have been told that They are very efficient with warranty issues. i was forgetting, perfect cowitnessing |
| Sound recommendation. I cannot think of a better red dot sight for the money. The dot is extremely crisp and it is very well built. I am patiently waiting for this to be re-stocked online. |
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With PA introducing their $150 micro, 50,000 hour battery life and unconditional lifetime warranty, I think it's time to retire the "buy once cry once" mantra. I have several of the previous version PA Advanced Micro-dots on shotguns, ARs, and AKs. I haven't had any issues with any of them so far, and the new one is cheaper with a better warranty. What's not to like? With PA's reputation for customer service and the lifetime warranty on a lot of their new products, I don't see any personal need for me to ever buy an AimPoint again. |
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Quoted: PA micro and other look a like dots are made in the same factory as the TRS 25, so it can happen with any of them. From what I hear it's hit or miss with these. TRS 25 has a one year warranty and from my experience when problems develop, they usually do right away like in your case. I just picked up a TRS 25 myself for $44.00. Our red dots are not made in the same factory as Bushnell. It is well known the MD-ADS is made by Holosun, which are their own integrated manufacturer and also have nothing to do with Bushnell. That product has a 3-year warranty. Our MD-RB-AD series has a no-BS lifetime warranty and is made by another factory which I will not name here. There are a LOT of optics factories in China. Some are better than others in various ways. Without airing dirty laundry too much, we are not interested in having the Bushnell factory make products with our name on the side, and they are too busy making Bushnell products to care what we think of them anyway. If anyone has questions about our products I'm happy to answer them honestly if I know the answer (except for "who makes MD-RB-AD and how can I get them to make a product with my name on the side instead"). I currently run an MD-RB-AD on an Ultimak on my personal Bulgarian 74U, so I do have direct experience with that configuration as a shooter. 
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Quoted: I currently run an MD-RB-AD on an Ultimak on my personal Bulgarian 74U, so I do have direct experience with that configuration as a shooter. http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MD-RB-AD-v2.jpg - with your setup above, does it absolute cowitness or is it a lower 1/3 cowitness? |
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Quoted: Appreciate the support to this forum, your transparency and commitment to your products. - with your setup above, does it absolute cowitness or is it a lower 1/3 cowitness? 1. Hopefully the optic will sit a bit higher and the damn rear sight won't cover up half of my field of view through it. 2. I can put a flashlight on the gun and a stubby foregrip. 3. It will look super cool (hey, at least I'm honest). |
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Quoted: It's an absolute co-witness. I greatly prefer a lower 1/3rd, there is too much metal in my field of view as it sits right now. At some point this year I'm going to ditch the Ultimak and go with an SLR Rifleworks forend for three reasons: 1. Hopefully the optic will sit a bit higher and the damn rear sight won't cover up half of my field of view through it. 2. I can put a flashlight on the gun and a stubby foregrip. 3. It will look super cool (hey, at least I'm honest). |
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I'm not saying it's unusable as it is. I recently put a JMACs brake, ALG trigger, and Krebs safety on the gun and the result is a very fast and flat shooting little 5.45. I stitched together some mag dump footage into a fun video just playing around with movie maker last weekend. It's not like a professional Primary Arms promo video or anything, just me fooling around with cameras and computer programs trying to learn how to do stuff. The point is, I can mag dump with the gun and have a (very jiggly) red dot sight picture the entire time even as it is right now.
I'll try to take a couple of pics of the sight picture for you guys soon.  KrinkMarch2018 |
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FYI , I have the Aimpoint micro that I bought on sale 8 years ($498.99) ago and the Sig Romeo5 I bought 2 years ago ( $149.99) I installed on a AR .
I can not fault either and both have preformed flawlessly . I really can not say the Aimpoint is any better in any way including the clarity ,brightness or robustness. In fact I have installed a Romeo5 ( got this one for $129.99 landed )on my Marlin 1895M and have run about 150 full power 350 grain loads and 50 nuclear 405 hand loads through it and the Romeo5 took the punishment and still works fine. I am now waiting for the mount from Botach for my Galil to put a Romeo5 on it . great Reddot for a great price. 
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