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7/23/2006 11:35:52 AM EDT
This is semi-related to Build It Yourself, I figured if anyone would know the answer, its the guys who make lots of these.

I have a SAR-1 and recently installed a replacement stock/foregrip set. It took some light hammering/tapping to get the front grips in and some decent hammering to get the original stock off the rifle.

Anyway, now that the new set is on, the cleaning rod doesn't go completely in. This obviously got me worried that my hammering did something awful to the rifle. So I investigated.

The cleaning rod does not touch the new foregrip, which was my first idea of what the problem might be. To be sure, I pulled off the grip again and tried to put the cleaning rod into place without it on. It looks to me like the rod is catching on the bottom of the front trunnion.



The first place it touches is the blue circle. With some wiggling, it will drop down and it then touches the item inside the red circle. This is where it stops and short of me pushing the rod so it bends down, it will not go past this point with the grips on.

My concern isn't so much the cleaning rod but whether I somehow damaged the rifle. I wanted to ask some opinions before I took it to the range. Once I put the rifle back together, I was able to cycle ammo through it without firing. (ie: I put a magazine with snap caps in the rifle, pulled back the charging handle and let go. Everything seemed fine. I did this again and again, emptying the magazine.)

So are there any ideas on this? Anyone have a problem like this before?

I'm worried about it and would appreciate any help.

EDIT: Made a little drawing of the problem.

7/23/2006 11:42:08 AM EDT
[#1]
Your rifle is scrap, send it to me for parts
Seriously, check to see if the cleaning rod is bent in any way.
7/23/2006 2:05:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Checked the cleaning rod.. there was a minor bend towards the end and a slight deviation on the overall rod. I straightened this out (to the best of my ability, short of making it perfectly straight) and I'm having the same issue.
7/23/2006 7:02:55 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
The cleaning rod does not touch the new foregrip, which was my first idea of what the problem might be. To be sure, I pulled off the grip again and tried to put the cleaning rod into place without it on. It looks to me like the rod is catching on the bottom of the front trunnion.


My concern isn't so much the cleaning rod but whether I somehow damaged the rifle. I wanted to ask some opinions before I took it to the range.

So are there any ideas on this? Anyone have a problem like this before?

I'm worried about it and would appreciate any help.


Sometimes I have some trouble getting the cleaning rod in myself.
That round "thing" is the bottom of the rivet that holds your bullet guide in the trunnion.
I wouldn't worry about hurting that.
You would damage the cleaning rod first.
What caused your problem was the hand guard replacement. You probably don't have the angle of the cleaning rod hole the same as the original.

You can either try to auger out the hole so that the rod somehow goes completely under the trunnion. Or just leave out the cleaning rod.
This is an AK, who cleans them anyway?
7/23/2006 7:40:24 PM EDT
[#4]
I mentioned in the original post though that I tried to insert the cleaning rod with no grip installed and faced the same issue. I might try it with a new cleaning rod, but I don't know that the issue resides there.

Unless the original grip angles the cleaning rod and the new one doesn't touch it at all.

I'm glad to see someone else with this issue and no complications beyond it.
7/23/2006 8:44:42 PM EDT
[#5]
What did you hammer on. Hitting just the grip could not cause this problem.
7/23/2006 8:46:55 PM EDT
[#6]
What did you hammer on. Hitting just the grip could not cause this problem. By the way, Are cleaning rods legal in NY? That sound Evil to me.
7/23/2006 8:49:10 PM EDT
[#7]
Tripple tap. Sorry. You clean your AKs?
7/24/2006 4:16:19 AM EDT
[#8]
I hammered:

A) Moderately hammered the original buttstock
B) I lightly hammered the front grip into place

I can't imagine hammering would cause this but I can't think of anything else.

Cleaning rods are legal here so long as you remove the bayonet lugs.

I clean my guns after every shoot. AK or not.
7/24/2006 6:31:12 AM EDT
[#9]
hammering the furniture on would not hurt the rifle, there built like tanks. I would think that the new front furniture is the issue. the hole is probably angled wrong and makes the cleaning rod hit the front trunion.
7/24/2006 7:38:57 AM EDT
[#10]
I'll crash your sub net, I am root!
I've had this problem too. not much you can do. Maybe reach in there with a long dremmel stone and smooth off the ledge/transition. You won't hurt anything, and you didn't hurt anything. AK trunions are built like a brick house.
7/24/2006 9:45:19 AM EDT
[#11]
Thanks guys for the help. Much appreciated. Sounds like its just an annoying quirk and nothing serious.
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