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1/31/2005 4:03:06 AM EDT
I'm new to this forum, and this is my first post.  I really want to build either an AR-15 or AK47 but can't determine which one to build.  The AR15 's receiver looks pretty easy to put together according to everyone here.  I'm having problems finding good instructions for the AK-47's receiver.  Does anyone know of any out there?  Does anyone have experience with both and tell me which is best for first timer?

I'm looking at stripped receivers and adding the internals myself, the AR has about 30 pieces as opposed tothe Ak's 9 pieces.  Thanks for anyadvice.

1/31/2005 4:31:29 AM EDT
[#1]
go to Gunco.net and look in the library..  you will find all your answers there...
1/31/2005 7:07:30 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
I'm new to this forum, and this is my first post.  I really want to build either an AR-15 or AK47 but can't determine which one to build.  The AR15 's receiver looks pretty easy to put together according to everyone here.  I'm having problems finding good instructions for the AK-47's receiver.  Does anyone know of any out there?  Does anyone have experience with both and tell me which is best for first timer?

I'm looking at stripped receivers and adding the internals myself, the AR has about 30 pieces as opposed tothe Ak's 9 pieces.  Thanks for anyadvice.




Building up a stripped AR lower requires nothing but basic tools, average dexterity, and a thicker wallet than the AK reciever.  
1/31/2005 3:25:23 PM EDT
[#3]
No kidding about the thicker  wallet.  Damn!  An AR will be between $600-1200.  More if you go wild with accessories.  Mine was $800 for the build.  Shop around and you will get better deals but an AK can be done for $300 no problem.  I need to add up receipts some day but mine was around $350  including gunkote.

It depends on what you want though.  They are not the same rifles and really are apples and oranges.  The AK is way more fun to build.  The AR is accurate.  I put 5 rounds in less than the size of a quarter at 100 yards without much effort last Friday.  I can't do that with my AK.

I like them both and plan an FAL next.

In the end you will probably build several of both.  Good luck this is a great resource.  I learned everything about both builds here.
1/31/2005 5:39:07 PM EDT
[#4]
the real  issue is tools, especially the specialized tools to build the AK, one just assembles an AR ( unless you finish out an 80% receiver, which is another story all together)

So, if you are ready to buy a bunch of specialized tools build the AK, if you want to assemble an AR do that.

If you are starting out, what I would do is just buy a SAR or WASR and refinish it,  thread the muzzle if you have to and get a feel if thats what you want, then once you are addicted to the AK there's no turning back.....
1/31/2005 5:53:52 PM EDT
[#5]
On an AK you have three options on how to attach the trunnions to the receiver =1. punch or drill out the rivets thread the holes and screw it together.2. press out rivets, re-ritet it (requires special tools/skills) 3. Weld it (reqires welding knowledge & equipment).

AK pistol=
AMD-65 kit $79
Tapco flat $12
some screws and misc. $10
Drill bits & taps $50
Note AK rifle required about $80 USA compliance parts.

tools required=
Drill press
Gas torch
Welder (I did kind of a half weld half screw build)
large bench vise
dremmal
caliper
several "C" clamps
visegrips
A heap of hand tools ( I drive a fully loaded service bed truck)


AR rifle=
kit maybe $415 (CAR from M1S) upto ???
Receiver $89 (Stag Arms from Eagle Firearms)

Tools required=
I've done it back in the day with nothing but a Leatherman tool, in about a half hour!



1/31/2005 6:10:21 PM EDT
[#6]
What kind of rivet gun would i need?  Would a normal rivet gun work or does it need to be a special industrial rivet gun?
2/1/2005 5:27:29 AM EDT
[#7]
You need a riveter that runs solid rivet.  Most people either use a riveting jig or the bolt cutter riveter..

BTW I tried to PM you with more details but got bumped
2/1/2005 7:14:22 AM EDT
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What kind of rivet gun would i need?  Would a normal rivet gun work or does it need to be a special industrial rivet gun?



You could use screws to build as well.  They're generally considered inferior to rivets, but I think that's more feeling than fact.
2/1/2005 7:18:37 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What kind of rivet gun would i need?  Would a normal rivet gun work or does it need to be a special industrial rivet gun?



You could use screws to build as well.  They're generally considered inferior to rivets, but I think that's more feeling than fact.



For asthetice purposes each rivet is worth it's weight in gold (well maybe a thin plating) over a screw when it comes to the value of the gun, but if you are using a flat it's pretty much your forever anyway unless you want to add a serial number and doesn't matter.
2/2/2005 3:47:52 PM EDT
[#10]
So lets say I get an Ohio Ordanance receiver, and I want to build a Krink from a kit. Will I have to go through the same procedure with the same tools?
2/2/2005 3:53:40 PM EDT
[#11]
simple answer is yes.
2/2/2005 4:02:37 PM EDT
[#12]
Are there places the trunnions and receiver  can be sent  and get it done? What would the wait  time be like? Ive heard that the competent AK builders are way backlogged.
2/3/2005 10:30:35 AM EDT
[#13]
About the only way you're going to get a Krink is to buy one complete. Kits are pretty much unavailable at this time and yes most builders are backlogged. ORF or Firing Line might have one available. ORF had them for $1095 on stamped receivers and the Firing Line had them for $1499 on a milled receiver. You also have a $200 SBR tax or extra$ for a faux suppressor to get it to legal length.
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