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Posted: 3/12/2020 11:36:00 AM EDT
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It almost physically pains me to let my guns get that filthy, but I'm gonna try 
All I've ever used is this safariland clp, probably because this is what I got at Cabelas when I got my first AR a few years back. Is that G96 stuff much different? https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/840/840573.jpg |
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Posted: 3/12/2020 11:43:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It smells 87 times better. 
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Posted: 3/12/2020 11:48:30 AM EDT
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I’ve been cleaning with G96 Gun Treatment for years! Great stuff and obviously smells nice.
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Posted: 3/12/2020 12:13:26 PM EDT
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It smells 87 times better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It almost physically pains me to let my guns get that filthy, but I'm gonna try
All I've ever used is this safariland clp, probably because this is what I got at Cabelas when I got my first AR a few years back. Is that G96 stuff much different? https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/840/840573.jpg |
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Posted: 3/12/2020 12:27:25 PM EDT
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?? Oh. You were serious. So....in your mind, a piston with more surface area experiencing friction needs less lubrication than a bearing? Assuming you're picturing an internal combustion engine, in which a piston is constantly bathed in motor oil....and you're translating that to the BCG of an AR-15 which has no oil reservoir, much less a system to constantly bathe the BCG... Wait, how does this all work inside your head again? |
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Posted: 3/12/2020 1:12:11 PM EDT
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If mine start to cycle slow I lube it and keep going.
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Posted: 3/12/2020 1:43:45 PM EDT
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I’ve been cleaning with G96 Gun Treatment for years! Great stuff and obviously smells nice. Quoted:
And I hear the pleasing aroma is half the point! I'll buy a bottle of this stuff when my current stock runs dry.   Attached File |
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Posted: 3/12/2020 1:48:08 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20190625-131258_Samsung_Inter-1311358.JPG They'll run plenty dirty. |
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Posted: 3/12/2020 1:56:27 PM EDT
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I can just imagine how much red shit is caked in the firing pin channel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20190625-131258_Samsung_Inter-1311358.JPG They'll run plenty dirty.
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Posted: 3/12/2020 2:58:41 PM EDT
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 Attached FilePolymer goo from poly covered cases in the BE. Don't recall what was in the FP channel, as I tossed the bolt after the second lug broke. |
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Posted: 3/14/2020 2:18:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/50398/2013-06-04_11-12-23_295_jpg-1312725.JPG Polymer goo from poly covered cases in the BE. Don't recall what was in the FP channel, as I tossed the bolt after the second lug broke. 
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Posted: 3/14/2020 9:33:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2020 11:01:07 AM EDT
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That really is not very dirty at all, especially with Wolf ammo from 10 years ago, newer Wolf is pretty clean running for me.
Yeah that bolt was close to kaboom given that the 2nd lug broke 2 mags later |
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Posted: 3/14/2020 1:39:15 PM EDT
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Just so you know....the G96 synthetic lost the smell. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200312-124235_Gallery_jpg-1312636.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’ve been cleaning with G96 Gun Treatment for years! Great stuff and obviously smells nice. Quoted:
And I hear the pleasing aroma is half the point! I'll buy a bottle of this stuff when my current stock runs dry. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200312-124235_Gallery_jpg-1312636.JPG I was fixing to try some of that nice smelling gun oil. I'll tell you what I like and am going to keep using now that smells nice is the Lucas Extreme Duty Gun Oil. Has a minty smell to me. 
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Posted: 3/14/2020 2:18:35 PM EDT
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Thanks for the video. I'll start a schedule and do it say every thousand rounds for cleaning. And just wipe it down and lube it up. Anyone have a preference for grease? I'm gonna pick up some of that Lucas stuff and try it out. How's the frog lube stuff? I have some and I've only opened it never ran it. But smells like wintergreen.
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Posted: 3/14/2020 8:05:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a major downer. I was fixing to try some of that nice smelling gun oil. I'll tell you what I like and am going to keep using now that smells nice is the Lucas Extreme Duty Gun Oil. Has a minty smell to me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/70232/LUC10877_LG-1315489.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/14/2020 8:20:03 PM EDT
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Thanks for the video. I'll start a schedule and do it say every thousand rounds for cleaning. And just wipe it down and lube it up. Anyone have a preference for grease? I'm gonna pick up some of that Lucas stuff and try it out. How's the frog lube stuff? I have some and I've only opened it never ran it. But smells like wintergreen. As for grease, I use this......  Attached File....be forewarned, the shit smells bad. No issues with it thus far down to -20 degrees when used sparingly. |
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Posted: 3/14/2020 10:29:18 PM EDT
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This still has the familiar smell and works amazing..... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200314-190323_Samsung_Inter-1316165.JPG I will give it a try. I won't lie, I'm a sucker for good smelling stuff.
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Posted: 3/14/2020 10:33:54 PM EDT
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Interesting, so the stuff in the spray can has the good smell. I will give it a try. I won't lie, I'm a sucker for good smelling stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This still has the familiar smell and works amazing..... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20200314-190323_Samsung_Inter-1316165.JPG I will give it a try. I won't lie, I'm a sucker for good smelling stuff. 
Amazon man. Just ordered a half dozen a few weeks ago. |
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Posted: 3/15/2020 6:07:56 AM EDT
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anyone still using cherry balmz for their AR bolts? seems there was huge hype about them last year but now they dont get mentioned much.
I got one of their free samples and liked it but if theres anything similar i can buy in bulk id take that instead...CB applicator sucks ass and its like $16 for a tiny ass bottle. |
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Posted: 3/15/2020 2:05:06 PM EDT
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If it's a stick that will not be depended on for protection of life I can see letting a cleaning slide in between shooting sessions however, when my family, me or someone else's life depends on me and my tools......................they are cleaned each and every time they are fired period.
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Posted: 3/15/2020 2:42:56 PM EDT
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It is good to test a HD/SD gun to make sure it can run when dirty. However, I prefer to test them, insure that they WILL work reliably when dirty, then clean them so that if/when they are ever needed, they get to start out with the best chance of being reliable. Plus, disassembling and cleaning them gives me a chance to inspect parts for wear, damage, or other things that may require attention. Once inspected, cleaned, lubricated and re-assembled I have the most confidence in them that I feel is possible.
All that work is just a matter of lowering the odds of something bad happening. Bad stuff can always happen because rifles are mechanical devices, I just like lowering the odds that something bad will happen. |
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Posted: 3/15/2020 5:16:31 PM EDT
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It is good to test a HD/SD gun to make sure it can run when dirty. However, I prefer to test them, insure that they WILL work reliably when dirty, then clean them so that if/when they are ever needed, they get to start out with the best chance of being reliable. Plus, disassembling and cleaning them gives me a chance to inspect parts for wear, damage, or other things that may require attention. Once inspected, cleaned, lubricated and re-assembled I have the most confidence in them that I feel is possible. All that work is just a matter of lowering the odds of something bad happening. Bad stuff can always happen because rifles are mechanical devices, I just like lowering the odds that something bad will happen. |
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Posted: 3/15/2020 8:02:52 PM EDT
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Below is a great video from the School of the American Rifle. He uses a combination of grease and oil on key parts.
School of the American Rifle AR15 Lubrication |
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Posted: 3/16/2020 12:37:36 AM EDT
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anyone still using cherry balmz for their AR bolts? seems there was huge hype about them last year but now they dont get mentioned much. |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 1:47:07 AM EDT
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I can't wait to use all this knowledge soon. I'm done fucking with cheap guns. I'm fi ally building serious use guns that can run dirty or clean. I'll hopefully have my 14.5" carbine built up soon. I'm gonna try the G96 stuff and on the 11.5" gun I'm gonna try the Lucas and some of the grease recommended here. The problem is... and I hate to admit it... I DONT ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO CLEAN A GUN PROPERLY.
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Posted: 3/17/2020 1:53:02 AM EDT
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Run it wet and it'll run a long time.
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Posted: 3/17/2020 7:45:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2020 8:09:52 AM EDT
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They don't care if they're clean. They just want lube. Can not over lube it. It'll sling off the excess in a few shots. Any gun that won’t run in this condition isn’t in the ‘hot n ready” pile. So far the only one I have that won’t is my AR10 that still has some tuning issues to resolve. 223, 9mm, 300bo are all gtg |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 2:21:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2020 9:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBut... muh bolt thrust!
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Posted: 3/20/2020 10:29:42 AM EDT
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But... muh bolt thrust! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/21/2020 10:54:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: anyone still using cherry balmz for their AR bolts? seems there was huge hype about them last year but now they dont get mentioned much. I got one of their free samples and liked it but if theres anything similar i can buy in bulk id take that instead...CB applicator sucks ass and its like $16 for a tiny ass bottle. I got a sample but hadn't experimented with it yet |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 2:35:11 PM EDT
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I agree CherryBalmz is great stuff. Their website is very informative.
This is posted on their website. “Unsealed machines get greases, because oils are classed as flow lubricants, while greases are classed as sealing lubricants. Essentially, oils are designed to take friction contaminant, including heat, away from friction surfaces. But they do this behind gaskets, with pumps, filters, and reservoirs. Greases are meant to stay put, including on vertical surfaces under the violence of action, and seal friction contaminants and oxidative elements away from friction surfaces. A key thing he set me straight on, is that grease isn’t this NLGI Number Two “sticky peanut butter” we all think of as grease, but that it ranges from as light as cooking oil to as thick as a block of clay. NLGI triple zero to number six, the heaviest.” I feel this company has done extensive research on their products. The owner has also worked with professions dealing with tribology. |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 3:14:59 PM EDT
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Estimated rd count of 1700 over the weekend. Only thing I did was squirt some CLP oil in periodically. Morning of day 2 I had one failure to hold back on last round. No other malfunctions aside from 3 rounds of Tula steel that didn't go bang over the weekend. Mix of Wolf Gold, Wolf steel, American Eagle and a handful of Tula steel.
100% suppressed, including boiling paint off the can at one point. Frankly I thought it'd be dirtier  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 4:46:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Estimated rd count of 1700 over the weekend. Only thing I did was squirt some CLP oil in periodically. Morning of day 2 I had one failure to hold back on last round. No other malfunctions aside from 3 rounds of Tula steel that didn't go bang over the weekend. Mix of Wolf Gold, Wolf steel, American Eagle and a handful of Tula steel. 100% suppressed, including boiling paint off the can at one point. Frankly I thought it'd be dirtier https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140911_jpg-1329673.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140956_jpg-1329676.JPG  Shit is fun, no? |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 5:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Estimated rd count of 1700 over the weekend. Only thing I did was squirt some CLP oil in periodically. Morning of day 2 I had one failure to hold back on last round. No other malfunctions aside from 3 rounds of Tula steel that didn't go bang over the weekend. Mix of Wolf Gold, Wolf steel, American Eagle and a handful of Tula steel. 100% suppressed, including boiling paint off the can at one point. Frankly I thought it'd be dirtier https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140911_jpg-1329673.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140956_jpg-1329676.JPG Sweet! Thanks for the report! |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 6:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit is fun, no? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Estimated rd count of 1700 over the weekend. Only thing I did was squirt some CLP oil in periodically. Morning of day 2 I had one failure to hold back on last round. No other malfunctions aside from 3 rounds of Tula steel that didn't go bang over the weekend. Mix of Wolf Gold, Wolf steel, American Eagle and a handful of Tula steel. 100% suppressed, including boiling paint off the can at one point. Frankly I thought it'd be dirtier https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140911_jpg-1329673.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140956_jpg-1329676.JPG Shit is fun, no? |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 6:39:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet! Thanks for the report! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Estimated rd count of 1700 over the weekend. Only thing I did was squirt some CLP oil in periodically. Morning of day 2 I had one failure to hold back on last round. No other malfunctions aside from 3 rounds of Tula steel that didn't go bang over the weekend. Mix of Wolf Gold, Wolf steel, American Eagle and a handful of Tula steel. 100% suppressed, including boiling paint off the can at one point. Frankly I thought it'd be dirtier https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140911_jpg-1329673.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140956_jpg-1329676.JPG Sweet! Thanks for the report! Oh and using a Raptor CH I got from you guys, so it's partial credit to you
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Posted: 3/24/2020 2:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a major downer. I was fixing to try some of that nice smelling gun oil. I'll tell you what I like and am going to keep using now that smells nice is the Lucas Extreme Duty Gun Oil. Has a minty smell to me. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/70232/LUC10877_LG-1315489.jpg The G96 "Gun Treatment" in the aerosol can still has the great smell. It's perfect for cleaning and the smell hangs around....just go stick your head in my safe. |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 3:10:02 PM EDT
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Aw man! Is that bolt ready to run? I'm no pro or old hand at this, but that looks like extreme negligence.
If I did let someone borrow one of mine and they returned it in that state, I'd give them an earful ! Thanks for posting that photo. |
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Posted: 3/24/2020 3:43:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure. It felt like a good test of a home build for sure. I tried an RCA adjustable gas key, staked ugly by yours truly lol. Didn't budge though, and shot soft so I think that key is a winner. Oh and using a Raptor CH I got from you guys, so it's partial credit to you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Estimated rd count of 1700 over the weekend. Only thing I did was squirt some CLP oil in periodically. Morning of day 2 I had one failure to hold back on last round. No other malfunctions aside from 3 rounds of Tula steel that didn't go bang over the weekend. Mix of Wolf Gold, Wolf steel, American Eagle and a handful of Tula steel. 100% suppressed, including boiling paint off the can at one point. Frankly I thought it'd be dirtier https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140911_jpg-1329673.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/384595/20200323_140956_jpg-1329676.JPG Sweet! Thanks for the report! Oh and using a Raptor CH I got from you guys, so it's partial credit to you
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Posted: 3/26/2020 12:42:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't care if they're clean. They just want lube. Can not over lube it. It'll sling off the excess in a few shots. This x 1000 |
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Posted: 3/30/2020 9:30:07 PM EDT
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Just built this up using Lucas extreme duty grease and oil. It doesnt really have a scent and cleans up nice, and the oil does great on roll pins. I haven't greased the BCG yet as some red mechanics grease found its way on it so I'm gonna burn that off a little first. Its gonna get run hard and get dirty as it is going to be my go to rifle.
 Attached FileNo optics yet mail got delayed. |
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