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Posted: 8/9/2013 6:13:54 PM EDT
| They sent some sample bottles to use in my training class a couple weeks back. The first day of the class a student new to rifles had his gun seize up. He was running a dry gun and went to apply some 'lube'. It seized up again about an hour or two later. He told the instructor he put some rem-oil on it so it should be good (he's obviously new to rifles). He also didn't put it on the right areas. The instructor took the BCG out, added some RAND and the gun ran fine the rest of the day. We shot 700 rounds the second day and no ones rifle had any problems. My rifle was still 'wet' after the 700 rounds and cleaning was noticeably easier. Oh, and its backed by Kyle Lamb and VTAC...that's not just some company endorsement for money. Kyle knows his stuff. |
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They sent some sample bottles to use in my training class a couple weeks back. The first day of the class a student new to rifles had his gun seize up. He was running a dry gun and went to apply some 'lube'. It seized up again about an hour or two later. He told the instructor he put some rem-oil on it so it should be good (he's obviously new to rifles). He also didn't put it on the right areas. The instructor took the BCG out, added some RAND and the gun ran fine the rest of the day. We shot 700 rounds the second day and no ones rifle had any problems. My rifle was still 'wet' after the 700 rounds and cleaning was noticeably easier. Oh, and its backed by Kyle Lamb and VTAC...that's not just some company endorsement for money. Kyle knows his stuff. If used in great enough quantities anything works. Even really inexpensive options like straight Mineral oil or motor oil. But free is always best. |
| Like I said, my rifle was noticeably wet after 700 rounds in about 8 hours. When I got home I wanted to get all the crud out for the next day's shooting and the carbon had mixed with the Rand so it was basically a process of wiping it all off. Sure there were some spots that need some elbow grease and the mix did have a dirty motor oil feel to it but in my opinion this stuff is like no other CLP I've tried. |
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I have had good experiences with it. It withstands prolonged higher temps better than most I've tried, is the best "non toxic" lube I have ever tested for anti corrosion, as well, and I love the viscosity of the stuff. Like room temp syrup almost. They say their flash point is 410F. That is on par with, if not lower than, Mobil 1. |
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I have had good experiences with it. It withstands prolonged higher temps better than most I've tried, is the best "non toxic" lube I have ever tested for anti corrosion, as well, and I love the viscosity of the stuff. Like room temp syrup almost. They say their flash point is 410F. That is on par with, if not lower than, Mobil 1. That's not what I read, or have observed. |
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I have had good experiences with it. It withstands prolonged higher temps better than most I've tried, is the best "non toxic" lube I have ever tested for anti corrosion, as well, and I love the viscosity of the stuff. Like room temp syrup almost. They say their flash point is 410F. That is on par with, if not lower than, Mobil 1. That's not what I read, or have observed. From their MSDS: http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/MSDS/100-012-487_RAND%20CLP,%204%20OZ.%20BOTTLE%20WDROPPER%20-%20R31_default.pdf |
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I have had good experiences with it. It withstands prolonged higher temps better than most I've tried, is the best "non toxic" lube I have ever tested for anti corrosion, as well, and I love the viscosity of the stuff. Like room temp syrup almost. They say their flash point is 410F. That is on par with, if not lower than, Mobil 1. That's not what I read, or have observed. From their MSDS: http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/MSDS/100-012-487_RAND%20CLP,%204%20OZ.%20BOTTLE%20WDROPPER%20-%20R31_default.pdf That information is dated and no longer accurate. |
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I have had good experiences with it. It withstands prolonged higher temps better than most I've tried, is the best "non toxic" lube I have ever tested for anti corrosion, as well, and I love the viscosity of the stuff. Like room temp syrup almost. They say their flash point is 410F. That is on par with, if not lower than, Mobil 1. That's not what I read, or have observed. From their MSDS: http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/MSDS/100-012-487_RAND%20CLP,%204%20OZ.%20BOTTLE%20WDROPPER%20-%20R31_default.pdf That information is dated and no longer accurate. Current info then? |
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Current info then? They do not have a current MSDS. I cannot give you hard-data, therefore. I am sure a current MSDS is forthcoming. The one you linked is from 2010. I can tell you only what I have observed, and that is that I can smear some on foil, put it in my oven at 525*F (approximate, I'm sure, but certainly in excess of 410*F), and take it out in 20 minutes and smear it all around with my finger. 5. What are the flash and freeze points of your products?
For RAND CLP, Momentum and Renew, the flash point is over 500 degrees Fahrenheit. This is because we use vegetable esters, which have high temperature ranges. Our freeze point has been rated at -49 Fahrenheit (or below). ^This is what is currently posted on their site. http://randbrands.com/pages/faqs I cannot evaluate their freeze point, but a 10*F in my freezer, it flows like syrup. Definitely not "frozen up". So far, this is the best biolube I have discovered. If you did not know it was biobased, you would not discover it through performance. It performs better than any of the petroleum based oils I have yet used. It doesn't thicken or tackify. It is excellent at corrosion inhibition. It does not freeze up, at least at 10*F, and it prevents wear VERY well (citing lab tests). Unless price is your issue, I can't think of anything that competes with it as a lube and preservative. I have only put a few hundred rounds on guns lubed with it, but they cleaned up very easily. |
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10F is pretty warm for a freezer- ice cream is pretty soft at that. My freezer is -2 to +1F and my Rand bottle was congealed after several hours. Not rock hard (a knife tip would go into it), but it doesn't flow. My freezer sucks. I flat out own that! It's whatever bargain basement item came with my apartment. I have read that a good freezer should be a LOT cooler. You are still probably testing the original formula. Let me see if I have some of it and can compare it to current. It was 8*F when I opened the freezer. The Rand flowed easily and immediately upon tipping the little shot-glass I have it in. ETA: Here is the new formula on the left, original formula on the right: http://youtu.be/tfvifpfGt-4 ETA again: I got my freezer a lot colder by adjusting the fridge temp. It now runs -5 to 0*F. Rand CLP's new formula still flows. Froglube obviously doesn't, and the neither does FireClean. I haven't put ballistol in there, but of the organic/non-toxic lubes, Rand CLP is the only one I have tested that is not a gel. (Seal 1, Froglube, Rand, Fireclean). FireClean was a solid. |
| I've used Rand CLP quite a bit this summer and I've had great results with it. It is very viscous, like people said earlier in the thread. It has a tacky feel to it when you apply it. I haven't had to use very much of it at all to make my guns run. And with that being said, they run really well with it. Cleaning has been relatively easy as well with the stuff. If you fire enough rounds, you're going to get build up regardless of what lube you use, but this stuff seems to be my new flavor of the month until the next "best" CLP comes out. |
| Well I was given several bottles of it after my last post. So I'll use it for awhile. So far I've only used it to lube glocks but i have more than enough for both cleaning and lubing pretty much everything now. I expect it will work as well as anything else. Its pretty rare i find something that is so bad I'm not willing to use it, but there's been a few over the years. |
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I heard the hype and ordered my free tube. I cleaned my DB9 and Glock with it, oiled and took to the range.
Previously my DB9 was very unreliable and jammed frequently. I can say that both barrels were cleaned with foaming cleanser and then a boresnake with breakfree CLP until a patch ran very fainty gray or clean. I put a patch with this stuff on it on a rod and ran it through and it came out pretty dirty. Is this stuff pulling crud that breakfree is not finding? I will also say that the DB ran much smoother than previous. In fairness it also went back to the factory and had a new spring assembly and slide so I cannot for sure say it was the lube that did it. I did also lube my 9mm CMMG AR15 which has had to have some polishing and grinding to make function smoothly with it and the slide definitely moved much smoother. Time will tell how it holds up. |
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Just used my free sample. I lubed a 1911 with it. It was already cleaned with breakfree and eds red. It still pulled some carbon off of the parts. I normally grease my rails so I wiped the grease with a patch with rand. Cleaned up fast. So I lubed it up and fired around 300 dirty lead handloads through it in 10 degree weather. Functioned smooth and flawlessly. I didn't clean the gun after other than the barrel. And it DID clean up fairly easy - as advertised.
So far id say it is as advertised. I doubt Ill buy a bottle though. $10 for 2oz? nah. Ill stick to my grease and motor oil. |
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So far Rand CLP has been great on the range. Seems very slick and cleans better than expected. My only concern is that it freezes into wax at cold temperatures. I placed a small bottle in my freezer set at -2 and was surprised to find it completely frozen. This is likely an older sample. My current samples are thick liquid and flow easily, if a touch slow, at -2. |
| I got a black label bottle from brownells just after thanksgiving. I thought the white label is the older version. I think the rand should have differentiated between the old and new formulas. Nonetheless, I'm still not confident using it during winter weather. |
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