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Posted: 8/23/2009 5:13:21 PM EDT
| Just started applying militec-1 to my guns. Haven't shot them yet, figured I would start a post on it to see what people who have actually field tested it think. I know there are several government agencies that use it, and many of our troops in Iraq have begun to use it as well, but I can find any forums on its performance capabilities. What does everyone think?...please support your conclusions... |
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Only time I've ever had a well oiled 1911 rust in a day of carry. was while I used Miltec.
I've had Ar's 1911 and rem 1100 soaked in rain all day then sit in a soakked range bag for 3 hours while I drive home. No sign of rust. BF CLP and weapons shield CLP was used. |
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Only time I've ever had a well oiled 1911 rust in a day of carry. was while I used Miltec. I've had Ar's 1911 and rem 1100 soaked in rain all day then sit in a soakked range bag for 3 hours while I drive home. No sign of rust. BF CLP and weapons shield CLP was used. i concur... breakfree clp is the way to go. have you ever noticed the militec and gunzilla threads are always started by some with single or double digit posts? all advertising 
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| Yeh, I've heard plenty about breakfree clp. I have also tried it and it works ok, nothing spectacular. I however have not been in combat or anything close, and I have read horror stories written by our troops in Iraq about how it gunks up guns when the sand hits it. They say it attracts dirt like most other lubes out there, and some say they have encountered incidents where a good percentage of their buddies weapons have failed with clp when they need them. Some of these stories I read on militecs website but I researched it further and was able to find similar accounts elsewhere. It's not news that dirt sticks to liquids and ar-15's hate dirt. A dry lubricant would be the way to go if it works the way they claim it does. I am looking for something better than clp, the intention of this post was to see if militec-1 (or possibly microlon or slip2000) is that better lubricant, from what I understand these three products all work in a similar manner. Personally, I think fp-10 or something like brian enos slide glide works way better for the lubrication of weapons than clp, and then I just use a dedicated cleaner. |
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As much as I hate to talk about the lack of weapons knowledge my brothers and sister in arms have, most Servicemembers don't know very much about guns at all. It's just a tool that they use, and do as they are trained and little more.
A lot of it that many people that whatever is issued is crap, that the other guy has something better, the whole "lowest biddest" thing. It's been that way for years. I've known guys that love the Steyr AUG, but when one of my buddies that loves it, talked to some Australian Soldiers, they said the Steyr sucked and the M4 was a MUCH better weapon. Breakfree/Royco/whoever has the curent contract military issue CLP might not be the best, but it's far from garbage, and it's still leaps and bounds above that Militec-1 junk. Militec doesn't live up to their claims of preventing rust 2x better than clp or for two years, nor about it's ability to prevent fouling build up. The only test that Militec ever shows for it's "superiority" is that stupid spinning rod test that means nothing. Bleach from your local grocer will do excellant on that test, but bleach isn't something I'd put on my rifle. |
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Care to elaborate on the rust? Did you use heat to apply the militec? How many applications did you perform? Was it raining or humid? How long did it sit before you cleaned it and noticed the rust? How much rust?....... Pa augest. 13 hours of carry iwb. slide and frame covered. used the stuff for about 3 months before. Now it was raining when hard for pa 3 gun. I was 100% rust free. |
| Ok so I have done hours of research on the subject, and here are my conclusions. It seems that militec-1 will get in the pores of a metal, and last an extremely long time, so it might be worthwhile to properly apply to a firearm once in a while. I have emailed militec to see if it is compatible with a clp and will post my findings after I get a reply. On its own, there are quite a few people who are dissatisfied with militec-1. As far as windy, sandy, desert conditions go, (and only these conditions) it may be a better choice than bf clp, especially if a small amount of the grease is applied to high wear areas. This is simply because it doesn't attract dirt. However, for any kind of humid or wet conditions (or with sandy but not windy conditions) it seems this product is far less than ideal than clp. What I am saying is that in a sand storm...you would probably want a dry lube...otherwise, Clp is a far better all around product. If you have the choice, the lubricant should be selected that best fits the conditions, but this is hardly always possible. If I had to pick only one it seems that BF CLP would be the best, while it may not be the best lubricant, most protective, best cleaner out there, it is certainly very adequate at all three, and having only one bottle for everything is quite valuable. |
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Ok so I have done hours of research on the subject, and here are my conclusions. It seems that militec-1 will get in the pores of a metal, and last an extremely long time, so it might be worthwhile to properly apply to a firearm once in a while. I have emailed militec to see if it is compatible with a clp and will post my findings after I get a reply. On its own, there are quite a few people who are dissatisfied with militec-1. As far as windy, sandy, desert conditions go, (and only these conditions) it may be a better choice than bf clp, especially if a small amount of the grease is applied to high wear areas. This is simply because it doesn't attract dirt. However, for any kind of humid or wet conditions (or with sandy but not windy conditions) it seems this product is far less than ideal than clp. What I am saying is that in a sand storm...you would probably want a dry lube...otherwise, Clp is a far better all around product. If you have the choice, the lubricant should be selected that best fits the conditions, but this is hardly always possible. If I had to pick only one it seems that BF CLP would be the best, while it may not be the best lubricant, most protective, best cleaner out there, it is certainly very adequate at all three, and having only one bottle for everything is quite valuable. It does attract dirt and dust even in "dry windy places." Anything wet will. If you believe their bullshit claims that you can wipe if off and run it dry, I've a hundred acres of ocean front property in Wyoming to sell you. I mean for fucks sake, they are almost straight up lying, or at least extremely wrong about their claims for both rust prevention and prevention of fouling buildup, and that no CLP or solvent is needed for cleaning. It works better than CLP as a lube sometimes because it's less runny and will stay put for a slightly longer time. Now I know that someone is going to chime in about how it's not meant for anything but a lube, and a lube only. Of course I'm still waiting for them to reply to the links to Militec-1's website claims that it's a great rust preventative, prevents fouling, makes cleaning so easy, etcetera. They just repackaged their engine oil additive in small bottles and sell it for twice the price. And yes, "it's the same thing in the bottles," according to the tech I spoke to when I saw the price difference and started buying it in the larger 8 and 16 ounce bottles at auto parts stores at $2 and ounce instead of $4 an once for the gun labeled product. I still have a bottle if anyone wants it btw. I gave up on it long ago. |
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Ok so I have done hours of research on the subject, and here are my conclusions. It seems that militec-1 will get in the pores of a metal, and last an extremely long time, so it might be worthwhile to properly apply to a firearm once in a while. I have emailed militec to see if it is compatible with a clp and will post my findings after I get a reply. On its own, there are quite a few people who are dissatisfied with militec-1. As far as windy, sandy, desert conditions go, (and only these conditions) it may be a better choice than bf clp, especially if a small amount of the grease is applied to high wear areas. This is simply because it doesn't attract dirt. However, for any kind of humid or wet conditions (or with sandy but not windy conditions) it seems this product is far less than ideal than clp. What I am saying is that in a sand storm...you would probably want a dry lube...otherwise, Clp is a far better all around product. If you have the choice, the lubricant should be selected that best fits the conditions, but this is hardly always possible. If I had to pick only one it seems that BF CLP would be the best, while it may not be the best lubricant, most protective, best cleaner out there, it is certainly very adequate at all three, and having only one bottle for everything is quite valuable. WTF don't you stop your militec infomercial!!! MILITEC SUCKS DONKEY COCK!!!
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Does Militec-1 make any rust prevention claims? I thought they marketed it as a lube only.
Anyway, I use it on my Spike's ST-22 dedicated .22LR. The bolt assembly is nickel plated and requires a minimal amount of lube. I've started lubing my 5.56 ARs and other guns with 50/50 ATF and synthetic motor oil. 
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Does Militec-1 make any rust prevention claims? I thought they marketed it as a lube only. Anyway, I use it on my Spike's ST-22 dedicated .22LR. The bolt assembly is nickel plated and requires a minimal amount of lube. I've started lubing my 5.56 ARs and other guns with 50/50 ATF and synthetic motor oil. Yeap they sure do make corrosion protection claims in several places on the website.Go do some reading....all the shakin and bakin for instance. By the way,if your using the militec on nickel or chrome plated parts your just throwing your money out the door.Chlorinated additives do not form EP properties on those surfaces,and very minimal to no effects on aluminum.Might as well be using Valvoline 5w20 to get the same lubricant results on those parts. |
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Does Militec-1 make any rust prevention claims? I thought they marketed it as a lube only. Anyway, I use it on my Spike's ST-22 dedicated .22LR. The bolt assembly is nickel plated and requires a minimal amount of lube. I've started lubing my 5.56 ARs and other guns with 50/50 ATF and synthetic motor oil. militec makes a bunch of claims on their website... none of which are backed up by any concrete data. 
at one time they had the test results from the feds when they tried to get certified...they damn near failed every part of the test
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Miltec-1, BF, CLP.....I too was wondering. I put in a call to my son, Anthony who is an active marine stationed in Hawaii and having done 2 tours, I asked him what does the Corp use, and what did he use while in that harsh enviroment. He told me that he cleans his rifle with CLP, and while on patrol he uses a different type of lubricant that is thicker. He does not know what brand it is, but it's not BF. It could very well be Miltec-1. The trick over there is not to "wet" the bolt. Over here, and at the range, he runs his weapons "wet".
In my own experience, I tried the synthetic motor oil thing in my M4 today at the range. 300 rds, later, the bolt operated without any problems and I'm thinking me and my rifle like this. Also, I read in a thread of using a syringe to apply lubrication to your rifle, I'll be dammed if I didn't get any overspray! You can never be too old to read and learn from others. Thanks Arfcom shooters. 
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I want to warn everyone who is using, plans to use, or is considering to use Militec-1 to stay away from this product. I was suckered into purchasing this product after reviewing Militec-1's website and actually speaking with an employee, who I believe was the owner; this employee claimed that this product is used in the Coast Guard and in hospitals to lube critical components. This employee also claimed that it worked well as a rust inhibitor!
I take immaculate care of my firearms and store them in a safe with a golden rod, desiccant, and a product called Damprid to remove moisture from the air. I used this product as a test on one of my firearms and about two hours ago I removed this firearm for my usual monthly inspection. To my deep dismay, I found rust on my bbl and on the roll marks on the slide. I've cleaned my firearm so its good to go now, but what if I was away for several months - this product could have destroyed my gun! I would recommend staying away from this product. |
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Does Militec-1 make any rust prevention claims? I thought they marketed it as a lube only. Anyway, I use it on my Spike's ST-22 dedicated .22LR. The bolt assembly is nickel plated and requires a minimal amount of lube. I've started lubing my 5.56 ARs and other guns with 50/50 ATF and synthetic motor oil. DRY AND CONSTANT LUBRICATION
PREVENTS JAMMING MINIMAL MATERIAL BUILD-UP INHIBITS CORROSION LONG LASTING HIGHLY CONCENTRATED EASIER CLEANING Benefits of MILITEC-1:
Helps prevent jamming; Reduces bore wear; Provides excellent rust protection; Reduces corrosion, carbon and lead build-up; Remains on the metal even after repeated firing - - a minimum of 1,000 rounds; Is highly concentrated and long-lasting. One ounce of MILITEC-1 surpasses eight ounces of CLP-type lubricants; Prevents material build-up since the metal remains constantly lubricated and protected which helps shield against fouling cementing to the metal; Makes weapons cleaning easier after treatment since the conditioning results in a 90% friction reduction to the impregnated, constantly-lubricated moving metal parts and does not allow the fouling to cement to the metal surfaces as easily. In working and passive metal parts of the weapon, cleaning time is reduced by more than 50%. Once treated, MILITEC-1 is the only product required for the maintenance and operation of weapons. When cleaning, only 5 to 6 drops of MILITEC-1 are required for small caliber weapons
For long-term storage, i.e., two years or longer, leave a film of MILITEC-1 on all metal surfaces to prevent corrosion.
MILITEC-1 is ideal for firearms that are exposed to harsh weather conditions. After proper application, a light coat of MILITEC-1 is highly corrosion resistant - approximately three times more effective in preventing rust than MilSpec CLP. This will cut down on damage caused by damp weather, and makes MILITEC-1 especially useful for firearms carried on motorcycles, bicycles or boats.
Wow, they've upped their claimes from merely two times more effective. MILITEC-1 makes firearms much easier to clean. Since MILITEC-1 seals metal surfaces, fouling and other residue do not build up as quickly. In most cases, a weapon can simply be wiped clean with little effort.
That's a lot more than just claiming to be a lube. A couple minutes of looking at their site (a pause in a video game, so I had a couple min to spare.) |
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I wouldn't use Militec-1 on my guns if they paid me to do so.
Outlandish and unproven advertising claims (lies) and numerous horror stories (from here) and a few of my friends who wouldn't listen to me until they experienced the (rust) damage on their guns tell me all that I need to know. I always get a hearty chuckle reading the breathless accounts of those newly indoctrinated into the shooting sports who "discover" this product and then detail their inaugural trip to the kitchen to put their rifles/pistols into the oven for the "heat treatment" suggested by Militec-1.   Such entertainment is a rare pleasure.
Just use BreakFree CLP and be done with it. If you must use an automotive product on your guns (Militec-1 was a ATF additive long before it was a gun product), try a synthetic automotive oil. (Mobil1, Redline, Royal Purple, Amsoil, Pennzoil, Castrol....what have you) At least they are not making such frivilous and unreal claims about the use of their product(s). |
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Well, I guess most people on here don't like Mil-tec much. I too, bought a bunch of it after reading the website a few years ago and am continueing to use it. I do have some slip 2000 EWL downstairs right now that I'm going to try on my next AR cleaning. However, I have not been dissatsified with the Mil-tec. I have not had my guns rust, even though they are stored in a humid basement, and my ar's seem to run well with the Mil-tec. I have enough mil-tec to last me 10 years the way I use it. Never thought that it would last me as long as it has but if I find a better product out there, I'll switch to the better product. I only use the mil-tec as a lube and coat the outside of the rifle with it.
I have not found that the mil-tec gums up with heat. It sure works well in freezing temps here in N WI. When I'm deer hunting, it's not uncommon to have temps in the -10 to -20 range. I have found that it sometimes seems to evaporate on my bolt when stored for a period of time. I run all my bolts wet and I just checked my personal AR and the bolt was clean but it was not wet like I last left it. This will happen sometimes and not others. I'm not sure why but it does happen from time to time. Other times, I'll check the bolt and it will be just like I last left it. I have used CLP and it seemed to work well. I'm not trying to be a troll or anything. I'm just relaying my experiences with the Mil-tec. I believe that when my bottles are used up, I have any problems with Mil-tec, or I find a better product, then I'll switch over to that better product. Judging from the reviews that the slip 2000 get here, I'll most likely be using the slip product in the future for lube. |
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I used militec on my M249 and my M4 during a 15 month tour in Iraq. I am stryker infantry and got in more firefights than some of you have posts on this message board and trust my life with militec. When applied properly the shit WORKS.
Some things to consider: 1. Militec is a LUBRICANT ONLY! It will not protect as CLP does against rust on the externals of the weapon. 2. Militec is NOT A CLEANER! Again its a lubricant. 3. NEVER MIX MILITEC AND CLP! This creates a goopy ineffective slime. If yall would read the instructions clearly posted on the website, you would know to use CLP to prevent rust on the externals and for cleaning purposes, Militec on any moving parts, |
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I used militec on my M249 and my M4 during a 15 month tour in Iraq. I am stryker infantry and got in more firefights than some of you have posts on this message board and trust my life with militec. When applied properly the shit WORKS. Some things to consider: 1. Militec is a LUBRICANT ONLY! It will not protect as CLP does against rust on the externals of the weapon. 2. Militec is NOT A CLEANER! Again its a lubricant. 3. NEVER MIX MILITEC AND CLP! This creates a goopy ineffective slime. If yall would read the instructions clearly posted on the website, you would know to use CLP to prevent rust on the externals and for cleaning purposes, Militec on any moving parts, Have you read their claims? That they post on their website? That I've quoted here? |
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Does Militec-1 make any rust prevention claims? I thought they marketed it as a lube only. Anyway, I use it on my Spike's ST-22 dedicated .22LR. The bolt assembly is nickel plated and requires a minimal amount of lube. I've started lubing my 5.56 ARs and other guns with 50/50 ATF and synthetic motor oil. DRY AND CONSTANT LUBRICATION
PREVENTS JAMMING MINIMAL MATERIAL BUILD-UP INHIBITS CORROSION LONG LASTING HIGHLY CONCENTRATED EASIER CLEANING Benefits of MILITEC-1:
Helps prevent jamming; Reduces bore wear; Provides excellent rust protection; Reduces corrosion, carbon and lead build-up; Remains on the metal even after repeated firing - - a minimum of 1,000 rounds; Is highly concentrated and long-lasting. One ounce of MILITEC-1 surpasses eight ounces of CLP-type lubricants; Prevents material build-up since the metal remains constantly lubricated and protected which helps shield against fouling cementing to the metal; Makes weapons cleaning easier after treatment since the conditioning results in a 90% friction reduction to the impregnated, constantly-lubricated moving metal parts and does not allow the fouling to cement to the metal surfaces as easily. In working and passive metal parts of the weapon, cleaning time is reduced by more than 50%. Once treated, MILITEC-1 is the only product required for the maintenance and operation of weapons. When cleaning, only 5 to 6 drops of MILITEC-1 are required for small caliber weapons
For long-term storage, i.e., two years or longer, leave a film of MILITEC-1 on all metal surfaces to prevent corrosion.
MILITEC-1 is ideal for firearms that are exposed to harsh weather conditions. After proper application, a light coat of MILITEC-1 is highly corrosion resistant - approximately three times more effective in preventing rust than MilSpec CLP. This will cut down on damage caused by damp weather, and makes MILITEC-1 especially useful for firearms carried on motorcycles, bicycles or boats.
Wow, they've upped their claimes from merely two times more effective. MILITEC-1 makes firearms much easier to clean. Since MILITEC-1 seals metal surfaces, fouling and other residue do not build up as quickly. In most cases, a weapon can simply be wiped clean with little effort.
That's a lot more than just claiming to be a lube. A couple minutes of looking at their site (a pause in a video game, so I had a couple min to spare.) |
| I have used it on my M4 through two deployments to Iraq one 12 month, and one 16 month. I use it on my Kimber while riding my 4-wheeler in Alaska never had any rust issues. Only thing I didnt like about it is if you mix it with CLP it will gum up. I gave up on CLP a long time ago, I am planning on trying Slip 2000 though, I have heard alot of good things about it. |
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LMMFAO "The product has not passed any tests and evaluations for a small arms cleaner, lubricant, and preservative, metal conditioner, or a general purpose lubricant." |
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ARs need lubrication. Pretty much any lube will work. Some just work better than others.
CLP is a good all around product. Only thing that it does well is to prevent rust. Everything else is just ok. It simplifies logistics for the military though so that's why it's the main military product. I like Militec. I've used it in some EXTREMELY sandy environments (Iraq and southern CA desert). It definately doesn't attract dirt as much as CLP does and it does a great job of keeping the bolt carrier lubed. I've used it in training courses and in military training and I plan to continue to use it. I only use it to lube the inside of the M16/M4 though. I use CLP to clean and prevent rust. On my personal weapons, I use FP10 as CLP and then use Militec to lube the inside. I'm happy. As far as what everyone uses and likes, you are going to get as many opinions as there are lubes. They pretty much all work. The rest of the time we just use what we are confortable using. I like Militec and it's worked well for me. YMMV. |
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LMMFAO "The product has not passed any tests and evaluations for a small arms cleaner, lubricant, and preservative, metal conditioner, or a general purpose lubricant." nope. militec-1 only cries woe is me the goverment fucked me! they were given ample time to plead their case and they didn't. END OF STORY! |
I put a small amount of Militec in my car's transmission, and within 6 months the gasket in the pan had dissolved. Correlation doesn't mean causation, but I no longer use it. It also discolored my SBR lower receiver after some dripped onto it 
I've been impressed with Slip 2000 EWL, but Sprinco's Machine Gunner Lube is the best out there. Pricey, but if you buy a large bottle it will last you a long time. I'm going to do some tests with Mobil 1. |
| I use Weapon Shield, Fp-10, and Breakfree right now. All work well. When they run out, I am going with Mobil 1 5w-30. As I stated in another recent thread I am tired of all the miracle wonder lubes being sold. I am now of the opinion that it's complete bullshit and basic CLP and hopefully Mobil 1 will be all I ever use now. |
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I really like Militec1. I have been using it for a few years now. It seems to do just as good as the Breakfree I was using before. and I truly believe that if you coat your BCA in a thick film of militec and use a blowdryer or heat gun to heat the parts..the oil actually kinda of melts off and leaves a VERY slick very thin fild of oil. Same with Strikehold wich is susposed to do the same thing.
Then again i also took the finest steel wole and basiclly buffed my carrier and bolt to make them smooth riding in the upper....which is one of my many AR tuning secrets 
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so, I wish someone could check to IP address of people posting in favor of militec. Just because of the short amount of time being here all people that defend it say the same thing (some justified like heating it etc).
I personally won't use it.. I picked up a bottle thats sitting in my cleaning kit that idk what to do with. I am however currently an intern at a government federal law enforment agency (I work in the armory) and they have buckets of militec-1.... again.. I wont use the stuff just because why risk it? |
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so, I wish someone could check to IP address of people posting in favor of militec. Just because of the short amount of time being here all people that defend it say the same thing (some justified like heating it etc). I personally won't use it.. I picked up a bottle thats sitting in my cleaning kit that idk what to do with. I am however currently an intern at a government federal law enforment agency (I work in the armory) and they have buckets of militec-1.... again.. I wont use the stuff just because why risk it? Of course it's a big Militec conspiracy
I personally don't give a shit about what anyone else uses. I use Militec and it works just fine. Better than CLP. But then, CLP works fine too. Just use lube and quit fighting about what is the ultimate lube. Just lube it with something. Militec works for me. If you don't care for it, that's fine. I don't use motor oil on my rifles but some do and it works fine for them. ARs need lube. Pretty much anything will work. Hell, you can spray it down with WD40 and it'll work. Maybe not the best but it will work. At least one of the big name instructors uses and recommends Militec. Benchmade also recommends Militec. So, it does work. Is it better than all others? Who knows? Who cares? Just fucking lube it and stop worrying about it. |
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ARs need lube. Pretty much anything will work. Hell, you can spray it down with WD40 and it'll work. Maybe not the best but it will work. I agree with you! Its just that with all the "controversy" around it why bother? You can pick up Slip 2000, Mpro, CLP, and other lubes that are not contested for the same price. If it works for you then keep using it. If "maybe not the best but it will work" is satisfactory you could also throw in some vagisil. Again to the OP its just up to you, IMO stay away just because its the same price as other lubes considered better |
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I used militec-1 on an SBR I built a couple of years ago. After reading the thread here I pulled it out of the safe and gave it a deep clean looking for any rust or build up.
I found the following; A small patch of rust on the inside rear of the bcg. Not difficult to remove, but rust nonetheless. I also found that the militec had discolored the internal surface of my upper receiver (YHM-123). I use KNS pins in the SBR (it's suppressed and the pins used to walk) and found a bunch of weird red surface funk along the hammer pin. Again, no problem to remove. Bottom line, I'm back with CLP and the occasional Sweet's and Butches. Militec will never touch any of my weapons |
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Thats funny ..... a woman dispelling Lube rumors. ........ Anyway my best friend tried it , he went back to cpl . I use cpl and break free collectors on weapons that I dont use much . I really want to try machinegun lube. |
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so, I wish someone could check to IP address of people posting in favor of militec. Just because of the short amount of time being here all people that defend it say the same thing (some justified like heating it etc). So, what you are saying is that anyone with a low post count, that disagrees with you, MUST be adverstising for something? Since when does post count actually mean anything, other than spouting off through the keyboard? Put the tinfoil back on your head, and let the adults talk. That being said, I have used BF CLP, Hoppes, militec, gunzilla, slide glide, rem oil, and probably a bunch of other stuff on my firearms. Guess what? Haven't had a problem with any of them. Run what the heck you want to, just know what you are running, and what it is actually designed for. |
| Actually, some of the claims that Gunzilla and Militec make about being easier to clean do have some merit, but then again, I don't let peices sit and actually clean them after a day on the range. After the carbon and powder has sat for a while, I can't make any comment about how easier/harder/no different it is to clean. |
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Actually, some of the claims that Gunzilla and Militec make about being easier to clean do have some merit, but then again, I don't let peices sit and actually clean them after a day on the range. After the carbon and powder has sat for a while, I can't make any comment about how easier/harder/no different it is to clean. I can. I compared Militec-1, TW-25b (the stuff the Kleen Bore repackaged), and Breakfree on several weapons during blank and live fire. M16s and M249s. To see how they'd do at the very worst conditions I applied light coats to the gas piston on the SAW (something you should never do). Heat from firing, or from a heat gun, no difference. Light, medium, or heavy coat also made no difference. The Militec-1 was as bad as the Breakfree CLP for building up fouling and how difficult it was to remove. Using it to clean (like they claim you can do) was almost pointless. CLP worked much better for that. The TW-25b actually did live up to it's claims of preventing fouling. It was much less on all weapon surfaces than the other two, and they came clean much easier. |
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