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Posted: 7/3/2009 7:35:02 AM EDT
| My Stag is clean as a whistle and I'm going to put just a 100 rounds thru it today. Do you guys still recommend cleaning after just a 100? |
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Do you guys still recommend cleaning after just a 100? No one can tell you that. You have to make that decision. We can only make suggestions and tell you how often we clean our weapons. Me personally, I clean every time and regardless of round count. The lesser that round count, the easier my cleaning will be. |
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thanks for your help. I have used your lube points and have yet to have a FTF or FTE in .22lr or 5.56. You're welcome. 
Good deal. I’m glad they helped. And those are not “my” lube points, but the Army’s lube points. I simply put them in an illustration format which makes it a bit easier for folks new to the AR. |
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My Stag is clean as a whistle and I'm going to put just a 100 rounds thru it today. Do you guys still recommend cleaning after just a 100? No.. i would clean every 1000 to 2000 rounds.Worry MORE about keeping the BCG(BOLT CARRIER GROUP) WET with lube.You clean that much all your doing is wasteing YOUR time that you could be doing something else.. and wasteing more of your cleaning products.Just wipe the outside with something to protect it also. |
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Again, these are purely personal opinions here. We all have our own standards as to what we consider a clean serviceable weapon and how we reach that comfort level of cleanliness.
Only the individual firearms owner can be the judge of what he considers “a waste of time“. |
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Boilermaker84,
This is the perfect example as to why I recommend cleaning after each range session. This individual used my Odorless Mineral Spirits/CLP cleaning routine, and in the process of inspection, found this: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=450266 Had he waited to clean......who knows when his weapon would have failed? During a home invasion perhaps? |
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Personally I clean after each shooting session, BUT, there has been more than once when the weapon wasn't very dirty (i.e. short session, low round count) I just field stripped it, wiped the parts down with a cloth and re-lubed it. Like QUIB mentioned, you'll spot damage or breakage, at the very least you'll get an even coverage of lube to protect against corrosion while you wait until for the next shooting session. There are spots, like the boat tail of the bolt that will dry out and squirting some oil into the ejection port wont get it covered with oil.
Just something to consider, every cleaning does NOT have to be an hour and a half scrubbing with a toothbrush, if the weapon is just a little dirty, nothing wrong with just doing a quick cleaning. |
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......every cleaning does NOT have to be an hour and a half scrubbing with a toothbrush, if the weapon is just a little dirty, nothing wrong with just doing a quick cleaning. Exactly. This is why I say….a low round count to me doesn’t mean I do not clean. I clean regardless. It simply means cleaning will be faster, and of course easier. |
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Boilermaker84, This is the perfect example as to why I recommend cleaning after each range session. This individual used my Odorless Mineral Spirits/CLP cleaning routine, and in the process of inspection, found this: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=450266 Had he waited to clean......who knows when his weapon would have failed? During a home invasion perhaps? Ar-15's will run with ONE GAS RING.So lets not try and scare the guy.   .Also it seems it is a RR bolt .. RR bolts ARE NOT considerd good quality.MAYBE if he is a dirt shooter then no big deal.. But if MY life IMHO was to rely on a AR-15,a RR would NOT be MY choice.Maybe he should check the stalking on his carrier also,and IMHO replace that bolt.. if he is going to use it to defend his life.. if NOT no big deal.
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You are missing the whole point. And that point is…weapons fail, regardless of who makes them. And the best way to possibly detect a failure about to happen is through cleaning and preventative maintenance.
ETA: It sucks when ol’ Quib has a good example of what he preaches.. doesn’t it.
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You are missing the whole point. And that point is…weapons fail, regardless of who makes them. And the best way to possibly detect a failure about to . ETA: It sucks when ol’ Quib has a good example of what he preaches.. doesn’t it. No i just listed FACTS.. sorry(BET you 20$... put that BOLT BACK IN IT WILL RUN FINE) .Agree ANYTHING can fail .. but look at the law of averages .. take 100 BCG'S from a COLT,BCM, AND take 100 from a RR/ Bushmaster .. guess who's BCG has the better ODDS that nothing will go wrong hummm.
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Joe, yes you are missing my point.
I’m not discussing the quality of parts from company X verses company Y. My point is, only through cleaning and preventative maintenance can such discrepancies be detected early enough to prevent a failure. And failures can happen with ANY weapon from ANY manufacturer. Anyone who entrusts their life to a machine, will want to ensure that machine is maintained in top operating condition. To do otherwise, is only asking for trouble to occur. |
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Boilermaker84, This is the perfect example as to why I recommend cleaning after each range session. This individual used my Odorless Mineral Spirits/CLP cleaning routine, and in the process of inspection, found this: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=450266 Had he waited to clean......who knows when his weapon would have failed? During a home invasion perhaps? Ar-15's will run with ONE GAS RING.So lets not try and scare the guy. .Also it seems it is a RR bolt .. RR bolts ARE NOT considerd good quality.MAYBE if he is a dirt shooter then no big deal.. But if MY life IMHO was to rely on a AR-15,a RR would NOT be MY choice.Maybe he should check the stalking on his carrier also,and IMHO replace that bolt.. if he is going to use it to defend his life.. if NOT no big deal.I just made my point sorry.Please read my post again.How do YOU know what the OP is useing HIS rifle for?.. Like i said if he is shooting dirt.. NO big deal. IF HIS LIFE DEPENDS ON THAT RIFLE.. then its a differnt story.Get it now.
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I just made my point sorry.Please read my post again.How do YOU know what the OP is useing HIS rifle for?.. Like i said if he is shooting dirt.. big deal. IF HIS LIFE DEPENDS ON THAT RIFLE.. then its a differnt story.Get it now. You’re right I don’t know what the OP is using his rifle for, but does that matter? My whole point is that the “I never clean” mentality can get you into trouble. And if your life or the lives of others depends on your weapon, you’ll want to ensure it is in perfect operating condition. To do otherwise is risky and foolish. |
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I just made my point sorry.Please read my post again.How do YOU know what the OP is useing HIS rifle for?.. Like i said if he is shooting dirt.. big deal. IF HIS LIFE DEPENDS ON THAT RIFLE.. then its a differnt story.Get it now. You’re right I don’t know what the OP is using his rifle for, but does that matter? My whole point is that the “I never clean” mentality can get you into trouble. And if your life or the lives of others depends on your weapon, you’ll want to ensure it is in perfect operating condition. To do otherwise is risky and foolish. LOL ,LOL Who has the "I never clean" mentality??? I GUESS you are assumeing me? No one on this thread said "never clean" sorry.  But AGAIN like i said If he is shooting cans.. IT DOES NOT MATTER NO BIG DEAL.
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Joe, to be honest with you, I no longer have the desire to keep these little debates going with you every time the question arises about maintenance.
So to end this right now you are correct, and I‘m wrong. Anyone can clean after every 1000, 2000 or 5000 rds for all I care. I’m really quickly loosing interest in trying to instill a sense of responsibility towards firearms ownership in these forums with the mentality encountered here. Good night. |
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Joe, to be honest with you, I no longer have the desire to keep these little debates going with you every time the question arises about maintenance. So to end this right now you are correct, and I‘m wrong. Anyone can clean after every 1000, 2000 or 5000 rds for all I care. I’m really quickly loosing interest in trying to instill a sense of responsibility towards firearms ownership in these forums with the mentality encountered here. Good night. Well sorry you feel that way as it was not my intention.. to piss you off.Like you said WE ALL have certain standerds on how often and how much we clean.I guess IN YOUR view im wrong and MY way is not right.I wont post MY view on preventative maintenance or cleaning as it seems to just make you get pissed.Good day Quib.
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| I personally clean after every trip to the range, reguardless of round count. Thats just me though and cleaning was drilled into my head by the USMC, especially in Iraq. Sometimes I just get bored and clean it even when I don't go to the range, but I'm a freak like that. IMO, it is your weapon if you want to clean it, go for it, if not, don't, doesn't affect me in any way. |
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Every range session I'll break the rifle down and due PMCS. Number of rounds down range will determine how much time I'll spend on cleaning, but every range trip the rifle will get a basic field strip and PMCS.
I'm just a dirt shooter who also uses his rifles for matches. I will make sure that my rifle functions for those matches because there is nothing worse than getting a bad time (or 0 a stage) from something that could of been prevented with a 1 min look over. |
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My primary/defensive carbine will get cleaned if 1 round has been fired through it. I'm just like that. It hasn't failed yet.
I have another carbine that is my shooter/beater rifle that also gets used for a 22 conversion. I don't clean this rifle regularly––I do relube it with CLP before each range session and when switching to or from the 22 conversion. This carbine does not serve in a defensive role. FWIW, it hasn't failed yet either. |
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Whoa! my quick little question started a debate! Well, I didn't read anything until this morning after i spent an hour and a half cleaning my gun. Maybe it's because I'm a newbie but cleaning it has become a labor of love! Happy Independence Day boys!!! There is a short history here between those two. My 2/100 on the cleaning thing; I am not a routine person so I basically clean my AR's and other guns when I feel like it is needed. I have put most of my guns through some sort of "round count without cleaning" test. I've learned the most critical cleaning points of an AR are the outside of the bolt carrier and bolt, the inside of the upper receiver, and the chamber. You can go a long ways just scrubbing and cleaning the chamber, and giving those other areas a good wipe down. But lube is always your friend under any circumstance, whether clean or not. |
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Joe, to be honest with you, I no longer have the desire to keep these little debates going with you every time the question arises about maintenance. So to end this right now you are correct, and I‘m wrong. Anyone can clean after every 1000, 2000 or 5000 rds for all I care. I’m really quickly loosing interest in trying to instill a sense of responsibility towards firearms ownership in these forums with the mentality encountered here. Good night. Well sorry you feel that way as it was not my intention.. to piss you off.Like you said WE ALL have certain standerds on how often and how much we clean.I guess IN YOUR view im wrong and MY way is not right.I wont post MY view on preventative maintenance or cleaning as it seems to just make you get pissed.Good day Quib. I'd hardly call cleaning every 1000-2000rds "preventive maintenance." |
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Joe, to be honest with you, I no longer have the desire to keep these little debates going with you every time the question arises about maintenance. So to end this right now you are correct, and I‘m wrong. Anyone can clean after every 1000, 2000 or 5000 rds for all I care. I’m really quickly loosing interest in trying to instill a sense of responsibility towards firearms ownership in these forums with the mentality encountered here. Good night. Well sorry you feel that way as it was not my intention.. to piss you off.Like you said WE ALL have certain standerds on how often and how much we clean.I guess IN YOUR view im wrong and MY way is not right.I wont post MY view on preventative maintenance or cleaning as it seems to just make you get pissed.Good day Quib. I'd hardly call cleaning every 1000-2000rds "preventive maintenance." AGAIN ,it depends on YOUR VIEW.Some of us shoot that much every 1 to 2 months(or in less time then that).Also ALOT of people in the KNOW would disagree with YOU.I have been doing this for almost 30k.. it has NOT let me down.
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Joe, to be honest with you, I no longer have the desire to keep these little debates going with you every time the question arises about maintenance. So to end this right now you are correct, and I‘m wrong. Anyone can clean after every 1000, 2000 or 5000 rds for all I care. I’m really quickly loosing interest in trying to instill a sense of responsibility towards firearms ownership in these forums with the mentality encountered here. Good night. Well sorry you feel that way as it was not my intention.. to piss you off.Like you said WE ALL have certain standerds on how often and how much we clean.I guess IN YOUR view im wrong and MY way is not right.I wont post MY view on preventative maintenance or cleaning as it seems to just make you get pissed.Good day Quib. I'd hardly call cleaning every 1000-2000rds "preventive maintenance." AGAIN ,it depends on YOUR VIEW.Some of us shoot that much every 1 to 2 months(or in less time then that).Also ALOT of people in the KNOW would disagree with YOU.I have been doing this for almost 30k.. it has NOT let me down. yet |
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Joe, to be honest with you, I no longer have the desire to keep these little debates going with you every time the question arises about maintenance. So to end this right now you are correct, and I‘m wrong. Anyone can clean after every 1000, 2000 or 5000 rds for all I care. I’m really quickly loosing interest in trying to instill a sense of responsibility towards firearms ownership in these forums with the mentality encountered here. Good night. Well sorry you feel that way as it was not my intention.. to piss you off.Like you said WE ALL have certain standerds on how often and how much we clean.I guess IN YOUR view im wrong and MY way is not right.I wont post MY view on preventative maintenance or cleaning as it seems to just make you get pissed.Good day Quib. I'd hardly call cleaning every 1000-2000rds "preventive maintenance." AGAIN ,it depends on YOUR VIEW.Some of us shoot that much every 1 to 2 months(or in less time then that).Also ALOT of people in the KNOW would disagree with YOU.I have been doing this for almost 30k.. it has NOT let me down. yet Well if it does.. the pop can will live to see another day. 
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| I tend to clean mine after I shoot it. Sometimes its 50 rds in an outting and others its a few hundred. If I only shoot 50 ish rds, I normally just run a few patches with clp on it through the barrel and clean the bcg and chamber fairly good. Shouldnt take more than 15 minutes at the most to do a quick cleaning. |
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