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Posted: 4/13/2009 8:24:09 PM EDT
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I bought an Otis kit, and a chamber brush. The Otis cable can't push the chamber brush into the chamber. So I put on a T handle I got with a cleaning system I have. It can push the brush in, but I can't turn the brush because the handle rotates on the rod.
DOh... my dumb question of the day.... how do you guys get it fully seated in the chamber, and then turn it? Do you ever wrap a pad around it to mop up the stuff you just loosed ?? |
| I bought a cheapo wal-mart kit for 10 dollars about 5 years ago. It came with 2 cleaning rod sets and one of them was for shotguns. I use one peice with the screw on T-handle and that works great. After turning it about 5 times clockwise, i wrap a dry patch around the copper bristles and run it through once more. For the locking lugs, use a pair of tweezers or q-tips. Or you could go gear-whore and buy the locking lug swabs |
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I use a GI cleaning rod with enough sections to make it about 16-18" or so overall. I put some solvent on the bare brush, insert it into the chamber and turn it a few times while pushing it into the chamber and barrel extension. I then pull it out and wrap a .30 cal patch around the brush and run it in again. I usually then give the barrel extension and chamber a shot of brake cleaner while tipping the muzzle down so the brake cleaner runs out the end of the barrel. I then push a CLP patch through the chamber and bore before storage.
You might want to use 2 chamber brushes: 1 to do the scrubbing and a worn one to wrap the patch around for the final wipe. This might not be the best method, but it works for me. |
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On page one of this forum.......
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=7&t=437828 ETA: My DIY Upper Receiver Kit..... 
The "GI Kit Method"....... 
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Cordless drill is not needed. It only takes a few turns to clean the chamber. +1 If used improperly, the combination of cordless drill and chamber brush can lead to excessive head spacing. Been doing it for years. Never had a problem yet. Never even heard of it increasing headspace. You know someone who it has happened to or are you just spreading internet rumor? The action of the cartridge entering the chamber and the firing of the cartridge will cause FAR more wear than using a chamber brush chucked into a drill. Now if you are using anything other than a chamber brush, then it may well cause damage. I've seen quite a few cleaning methods that cause damage but have NEVER seen damage caused by using a drill with the chamber brush. But I really don't care how you clean your rifle. Both will work. Using the drill is just a little faster and I'd rather spend my time doing other things than cleaning my rifles. |
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Cordless drill is not needed. It only takes a few turns to clean the chamber. +1 If used improperly, the combination of cordless drill and chamber brush can lead to excessive head spacing. Been doing it for years. Never had a problem yet. Never even heard of it increasing headspace. You know someone who it has happened to or are you just spreading internet rumor? The action of the cartridge entering the chamber and the firing of the cartridge will cause FAR more wear than using a chamber brush chucked into a drill. Now if you are using anything other than a chamber brush, then it may well cause damage. I've seen quite a few cleaning methods that cause damage but have NEVER seen damage caused by using a drill with the chamber brush. But I really don't care how you clean your rifle. Both will work. Using the drill is just a little faster and I'd rather spend my time doing other things than cleaning my rifles. Why would you use a drill...it only needs a few turns to get it clean. It would take longer to get out a drill, chuck the rod in, ect than it would to just insert it with a standard cleaning rod and handle and spin it a few times... Not to mention the drill is a good way to do a bit too much cleaning... |
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This is everything you will ever need.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1264&title=AR-15%20UPPER%20RECEIVER%20CLEANING%20KIT Sorry guys but I can't seem to make the links work. The Brownells AR-15 UPPER RECEIVER CLEANING KIT has everything you will ever need to clean the chambers and upper receiver. |
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Been doing it for years. Never had a problem yet. Never even heard of it increasing headspace. You know someone who it has happened to or are you just spreading internet rumor? Actually I’m just spreading internet rumors. Everyone who frequents these forums, knows that the name Quib is synonymous with the posting of internet rumors and the misguiding of other ARFCommers. 
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EDITED BY QUIB: I f'ed up your post. I thought I hit the QUOTE button when I actually hit the EDIT button. 
But anyways.......... Hey! You promised not to give up that secret. 
That little trick helped me keep my weapon in top shape so I could fend off the Red Army in Europe, and repel the Republican Guard in Iraq!  
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Been doing it for years. Never had a problem yet. Never even heard of it increasing headspace. You know someone who it has happened to or are you just spreading internet rumor? Actually I’m just spreading internet rumors. Everyone who frequents these forums, knows that the name Quib is synonymous with the posting of internet rumors and the misguiding of other ARFCommers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/CBdrill.jpg Then please quote specifics not cartoons. I have been using the drill and chamber brush for the past 12 years on both personally owned AR15s and also on military M16s. I have yet to find a problem caused by doing this. I've supervised many people and have seen this method done on hundreds of M16s. STILL no problems. DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW ANY SPECIFIC INCIDENCE WHERE USING A CHAMBER BRUSH IN A DRILL CAUSED DAMAGE? I don't believe that you intentionally are trying to misdirect anyone but I like specifics not opinion. Personally I don't give a damn what method anyone uses to turn the chamber brush. I use a drill, have almost always used a drill, and have never had a problem. It works and does NOT cause damage if done properly with a proper brush. |
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I use the cleaning-rod from my MP5 cleaning kit. It's basically a ~12" black coated cleaning rod with the "handle end" knurled. I use that simply because I have it, so I don't have to buy a new non-rotating rod. My old solution was to JB weld the handle of a pistol cleaning rod that I didn't use, and then add some layers of tape for more protection against rotation. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Been doing it for years. Never had a problem yet. Never even heard of it increasing headspace. You know someone who it has happened to or are you just spreading internet rumor? Actually I’m just spreading internet rumors. Everyone who frequents these forums, knows that the name Quib is synonymous with the posting of internet rumors and the misguiding of other ARFCommers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/CBdrill.jpg  (In before your next pit thread  ) |
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Then please quote specifics not cartoons. I have been using the drill and chamber brush for the past 12 years on both personally owned AR15s and also on military M16s. I have yet to find a problem caused by doing this. I've supervised many people and have seen this method done on hundreds of M16s. STILL no problems. DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW ANY SPECIFIC INCIDENCE WHERE USING A CHAMBER BRUSH IN A DRILL CAUSED DAMAGE? I don't believe that you intentionally are trying to misdirect anyone but I like specifics not opinion. Personally I don't give a damn what method anyone uses to turn the chamber brush. I use a drill, have almost always used a drill, and have never had a problem. It works and does NOT cause damage if done properly with a proper brush. Specifics and not opinion? Cartoon or not, I gave you the proof that using a chamber brush attached to a drill can and has caused chamber damage. This is not someone’s opinion, it is documented fact. I just posted the proof. I have stated more than once in this forum, that I will provide documentation with my responses when ever feasible. That documentation may be in the form of a PS Article (As in this case.), an FM or TM reference, or personal photo documentation. But I am NOT one to simply post information without documentation. And I think by now, after 8 years on this forum, that I am WELL KNOWN for doing just that. Now, whether or not you chose to believe that info, simply because it was distributed in a cartoon (PS Magazine) format, I’ll leave that up to you. And if you say you’ve done this method on hundreds of M16s, then that PS Article was specifically directed to guys like yourself. And obviously ignored as well. And no, I personally do not know anyone who has done this first hand and damaged their weapon as a result, simply because it is an asinine idea, and I always warn against it BEFORE the damage can occur. Not after the fact. Sorry, I don’t hang around with that crowd. ETA: Disseminated in a cartoon format or not, Preventative Maintenance Monthly is a TECHINCAL BULLETIN, and official DA publication. And as I already stated, and is stated below, the choice to heed that information, is up to the reader. 
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Been doing it for years. Never had a problem yet. Never even heard of it increasing headspace. You know someone who it has happened to or are you just spreading internet rumor? Actually I’m just spreading internet rumors. Everyone who frequents these forums, knows that the name Quib is synonymous with the posting of internet rumors and the misguiding of other ARFCommers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/CBdrill.jpg
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There will be no pit thread. Not with my participation anyways. If someone doesn’t like the fact that their method of maintenance has been proven to cause damage to weapons, and they can’t face that fact, then so be it. I will not stoop down to the level of bickering or being called out in “pit threads”. I simply do not have the time, nor the patience. An individual stated he cleaned/cleans weapons using a specific method. I have provided documentation warning against that method. Now, you have both sides of the argument. The ultimate decision as to which advice you choose, is on you, the readers shoulders. |
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Been doing it for years. Never had a problem yet. Never even heard of it increasing headspace. You know someone who it has happened to or are you just spreading internet rumor? Actually I’m just spreading internet rumors. Everyone who frequents these forums, knows that the name Quib is synonymous with the posting of internet rumors and the misguiding of other ARFCommers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/CBdrill.jpg Then please quote specifics not cartoons. I have been using the drill and chamber brush for the past 12 years on both personally owned AR15s and also on military M16s. I have yet to find a problem caused by doing this. I've supervised many people and have seen this method done on hundreds of M16s. STILL no problems. DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW ANY SPECIFIC INCIDENCE WHERE USING A CHAMBER BRUSH IN A DRILL CAUSED DAMAGE? I don't believe that you intentionally are trying to misdirect anyone but I like specifics not opinion. Personally I don't give a damn what method anyone uses to turn the chamber brush. I use a drill, have almost always used a drill, and have never had a problem. It works and does NOT cause damage if done properly with a proper brush. I edited my intended post down to this.... 
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Been doing it for years. Never had a problem yet. Never even heard of it increasing headspace. You know someone who it has happened to or are you just spreading internet rumor? Actually I’m just spreading internet rumors. Everyone who frequents these forums, knows that the name Quib is synonymous with the posting of internet rumors and the misguiding of other ARFCommers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/CBdrill.jpg Then please quote specifics not cartoons. I have been using the drill and chamber brush for the past 12 years on both personally owned AR15s and also on military M16s. I have yet to find a problem caused by doing this. I've supervised many people and have seen this method done on hundreds of M16s. STILL no problems. DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW ANY SPECIFIC INCIDENCE WHERE USING A CHAMBER BRUSH IN A DRILL CAUSED DAMAGE? I don't believe that you intentionally are trying to misdirect anyone but I like specifics not opinion. Personally I don't give a damn what method anyone uses to turn the chamber brush. I use a drill, have almost always used a drill, and have never had a problem. It works and does NOT cause damage if done properly with a proper brush. ColtRifle: LET IT GO. Seriously. QUIB is VERY highly respected here and what he says relating to AR-15's can be taken as gospel. So you don't agree with him. Fine. Go on with your drill and F'up your weapon. You are making yourself look dumb. Just apologize and let it go. BTW, would you take a wire brush, chuck it in a drill and go clean your chrome rims / bumper / trim on your car? Starting to get a visual of what your chamber looks like on the inside??? ETA:Spelling |
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Me too, I got the whole kit. It works great for me. |
| I have an otis system I keep for SHTF, but I have plenty of room and time so I strongly advocate the DEWEY rods. They have a chamber guide which is invaluable, then also the chamber brush and rod. I own both of those + the full length cleaning rod. It's loads better than the Otis I think, if you have the room to store it. Otis does a great job for the fact that you can also keep it in your pocket. |
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Me too, I got the whole kit. It works great for me. A shotgun cleaning rod works well too. I use this: a Tipton carbon fiber rod with a hole in the rear that allows me to stick something thru it and rotate the brush in the chamber. 
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Let’s keep this on track fellas. The sham-wow comment was just a joke. I was trying to keep it on track, these are supposed to be technical forums, so I apologize that I didn't recognize the sarcasm. I've seen people seriously and genuinely post recommendations that are way more out of whack than this, so it's hard sometimes to differentiate the jokes from the seriousness. |
| Gonna have to side with QUIB on this one. I've never had to use anything more than my hand and a chamber cleaning rod and brush. There is no part of the AR-15/M16 series of weapons that needs power tools to be properly cleaned. I also see no need to scrape anything off the weapon either. Just my opinion tho, it's your weapon, clean it as you wish. I just fear for the AR noobs that read that stuff, don't know better, chuck stuff into a drill and damage their rifle. FWIW I use the Dewey chamber cleaning rod with a non rotating handle, chamber brush and follow it with a chamber mop. Works great and as the mop gets used it will leave a light film of oil behind when your finished. |
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My $.02, a brass brush should not harm the chrome in the chamber, however turning it with a drill for any length of time may deposit the softer brass on the chrome. I don't see the need for a drill as nothing will stick to chrome that can't be wiped away with a mop or patch wrapped brush soaked with CLP and a couple of twists. My AR10 chamber is stainless and I use an old .40 cal brass brush with a CLP soaked patch wrap, about 2 twists, remove, turn patch over, 2 more turns and I'm done. I really want one of those IOSSO plastic chamber & lug brushes and a chamber rod but I've spent so much $$ since contracting BRD that it's on my wish list. (12.5% pay cut hasn't helped).
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The Bushmaster op manual says to leave the last section "2 turns short of being tight" to allow for tracking. (Using a standard military multi-rod cleaning kit)
Wouldn't that mean you are better off using a cleaning rod with a rotating handle that allows the brush to turn on its own? |
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The Bushmaster op manual says to leave the last section "2 turns short of being tight" to allow for tracking. (Using a standard military multi-rod cleaning kit) I think you’re getting bore cleaning mistaken with chamber cleaning. The BM manual statement you mention is in reference to cleaning the bore, and was originally printed in the Army -10 Operators Manual. The Army now suggests tightening all the sections of the rod. (See illustration below.) Quoted:
Wouldn't that mean you are better off using a cleaning rod with a rotating handle that allows the brush to turn on its own? Again, I think you’re getting bore cleaning mistaken with chamber cleaning. There is simply too much friction between the chamber brush and the chamber itself, to try and use a rod with a rotating handle. The rotating handle is necessary when cleaning the bore, to allow the brush or jag to track with the rifling. (See illustration below.) 
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