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Posted: 12/15/2008 1:32:18 PM EDT
| Anyone use Militec conditioner/lube on thier AR? I was introduced to this product by a Glock rep at armorer school, he highly recomended it for Glocks and it seems to work great on them. I dont want to experiment too much with my rifles when it comes to something that could potentially cause damage. I have made mistakes in the past with cleaners and lubs that have damaged finishes and once one took the white paint off the sights on a Sig 239. Dummy. Just thought I'd bounce this one off you guys. |
We stopped with the CLP entirely in trashcanistan. Reason being when you do air assaults in an environment like that you hit a solid wall of dust when you get outta the bird. Keeping anything working in that shit is hard and clp never helped. We switched over entirely to militec and I won't say our problems went away but def. decreased. Put it on, fire a mag or so, wipe clean. Repeat that three times you should be good to go. I heartily endorse the stuff. 
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if none of yall want it, just send it to me. I like it. I wonder how many people that bash it have used it extensively over a few years and thousands of round like I have? Few I'm sure. CLP is ok, i just prefer Militec. I'm a full time Gunsmith (Yes I work from a shop, not from a garage or basement). If you took offense to my statement I apologize. Miltec is one of the worst lubes there is. It falls right with Remlube, and WD40 for lubricants. I have tried every type of lube/cleaner that's in common use. I get customers bringing in all kinds of "wonder" cleaners and lubes all of the time. I try them all, and am very open minded. If there is something new that works better I will use it. I clean anywhere from 5-15 firearms a day, and shoot about 250-500 rounds per day testing weapons (60K-120K per year). I get to see first hand how fast, and how well cleaners and lubes hold up. I also have local L.E.O.'s, S.W.A.T. Teams, and customers taking carbine/pistol courses test lubes for me. and then let me examine their =weapons and collect malfunction reports from them. In my experience these products work the best. -Heavy Carbon Deposits: Slip 2000 Carbon Cutter -Heavy Copper Fouling: Sweets (Follow Instructions, and don't leave it in the bore) -Removing Water: WD40 (You MUST blow off all excess residue with Compressed Air) -Flushing out Corrosive Salts 10/1 Ballistol/Water Ratio and HOT SOAPY WATER -Lead Buildup: Lewis Lead Remover -Stripping Lubricant: MPro7 or Gun Scrubber type Products -General Bore Cleaning: Breakfree Bore Foam -General Cleaning: Breakfree CLP or Hoppes #9 -General Lube: Breakfree CLP or Breakfree LP for AR15's Weaponshield CLP is gaining my favor as well -Substitute Lube (EMERGENCY): Synthetic Motor Oil -Best Suppressor Dunking Cleaning Solution: To be Determined -Long Term Storage: Cosmoline -Rust Preventive: Eezox -Bore Lapping Compound: JB Bore Paste I have experienced too many issues with grease to use it for anything other than a long term storage supplement. I don't think that other lubes are going to ruin you weapon, but I view weapons as a defensive tool. I only use proven and self tested products on them. Almost every "wonder" lube has some kind of weakness or side effect. |
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if none of yall want it, just send it to me. I like it. I wonder how many people that bash it have used it extensively over a few years and thousands of round like I have? Few I'm sure. CLP is ok, i just prefer Militec. I'm a full time Gunsmith (Yes I work from a shop, not from a garage or basement). If you took offense to my statement I apologize. Miltec is one of the worst lubes there is. It falls right with Remlube, and WD40 for lubricants. I have tried every type of lube/cleaner that's in common use. I get customers bringing in all kinds of "wonder" cleaners and lubes all of the time. I try them all, and am very open minded. If there is something new that works better I will use it. I clean anywhere from 5-15 firearms a day, and shoot about 250-500 rounds per day testing weapons (60K-120K per year). I get to see first hand how fast, and how well cleaners and lubes hold up. I also have local L.E.O.'s, S.W.A.T. Teams, and customers taking carbine/pistol courses test lubes for me. and then let me examine their =weapons and collect malfunction reports from them. In my experience these products work the best. -Heavy Carbon Deposits: Slip 2000 Carbon Cutter -Heavy Copper Fouling: Sweets (Follow Instructions, and don't leave it in the bore) -Removing Water: WD40 (You MUST blow off all excess residue with Compressed Air) -Flushing out Corrosive Salts 10/1 Ballistol/Water Ratio and HOT SOAPY WATER -Lead Buildup: Lewis Lead Remover -Stripping Lubricant: MPro7 or Gun Scrubber type Products -General Bore Cleaning: Breakfree Bore Foam -General Cleaning: Breakfree CLP or Hoppes #9 -General Lube: Breakfree CLP or Breakfree LP for AR15's Weaponshield CLP is gaining my favor as well -Substitute Lube (EMERGENCY): Synthetic Motor Oil -Best Suppressor Dunking Cleaning Solution: To be Determined -Long Term Storage: Cosmoline -Rust Preventive: Eezox -Bore Lapping Compound: JB Bore Paste I have experienced too many issues with grease to use it for anything other than a long term storage supplement. I don't think that other lubes are going to ruin you weapon, but I view weapons as a defensive tool. I only use proven and self tested products on them. Almost every "wonder" lube has some kind of weakness or side effect. Good stuff! What do you think of Slip 2000's oils? I'm doing a little wear test with Slip 2000 EWL 30 and 50 and will post pictures soon. Also doing a freeze test and frying pan test. Will post pictures soon. |
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if none of yall want it, just send it to me. I like it. I wonder how many people that bash it have used it extensively over a few years and thousands of round like I have? Few I'm sure. CLP is ok, i just prefer Militec. I'm a full time Gunsmith (Yes I work from a shop, not from a garage or basement). If you took offense to my statement I apologize. Miltec is one of the worst lubes there is. It falls right with Remlube, and WD40 for lubricants. I have tried every type of lube/cleaner that's in common use. I get customers bringing in all kinds of "wonder" cleaners and lubes all of the time. I try them all, and am very open minded. If there is something new that works better I will use it. I clean anywhere from 5-15 firearms a day, and shoot about 250-500 rounds per day testing weapons (60K-120K per year). I get to see first hand how fast, and how well cleaners and lubes hold up. I also have local L.E.O.'s, S.W.A.T. Teams, and customers taking carbine/pistol courses test lubes for me. and then let me examine their =weapons and collect malfunction reports from them. In my experience these products work the best. -Heavy Carbon Deposits: Slip 2000 Carbon Cutter -Heavy Copper Fouling: Sweets (Follow Instructions, and don't leave it in the bore) -Removing Water: WD40 (You MUST blow off all excess residue with Compressed Air) -Flushing out Corrosive Salts 10/1 Ballistol/Water Ratio and HOT SOAPY WATER -Lead Buildup: Lewis Lead Remover -Stripping Lubricant: MPro7 or Gun Scrubber type Products -General Bore Cleaning: Breakfree Bore Foam -General Cleaning: Breakfree CLP or Hoppes #9 -General Lube: Breakfree CLP or Breakfree LP for AR15's Weaponshield CLP is gaining my favor as well -Substitute Lube (EMERGENCY): Synthetic Motor Oil -Best Suppressor Dunking Cleaning Solution: To be Determined -Long Term Storage: Cosmoline -Rust Preventive: Eezox -Bore Lapping Compound: JB Bore Paste I have experienced too many issues with grease to use it for anything other than a long term storage supplement. I don't think that other lubes are going to ruin you weapon, but I view weapons as a defensive tool. I only use proven and self tested products on them. Almost every "wonder" lube has some kind of weakness or side effect. Good stuff! What do you think of Slip 2000's oils? I'm doing a little wear test with Slip 2000 EWL 30 and 50 and will post pictures soon. Also doing a freeze test and frying pan test. Will post pictures soon. Thanks SkagsSg40, Actually I left out all of the Slip products, except the carbon cutter on purpose. I really do like their products but am still testing them. I have tested the weaponshield a little more so thats why its on the maybe list of lubes. From what I have seen its a first rate lube. Please post your test results when completed. I would really like to see what you have found. I have always enjoyed reading your posts about firearms lubricants. When you post you have my attention.
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| i didnt take it to be offensive and I didnt try to offend anyone, but some people will bash a product based only on what they have heard vs what they have used. It looks like you have used alot so you have your own fact based opinions which is fine, I was just commenting on people that bash it but have never used it. |
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if none of yall want it, just send it to me. I like it. I wonder how many people that bash it have used it extensively over a few years and thousands of round like I have? Few I'm sure. CLP is ok, i just prefer Militec. I have. Personal and issue weapons from around 1997 to about 2005. Because I was able to pick it up cheaply from auto parts stores (because it's the "exact same thing in the bottle," the very words from once of their techs). It worked ok as a lube. Did nothing to ease cleaning like they claim, nor did it do shit to prevent rust. I juest suffered through it because I had so much of the crap, and sometimes I'm a dumbass. Applied, heated through firing, repeat three or four times. No improvement. Applied and heated in oven 3 or 4 times. No improvement. TW25b is a much better product, though it costs more. Tetra is a much better product. Both keep the carbon fouling less than with either CLP or Militec-1. And both a somewhat better at preventing rust. I'm pretty sure that they are also both better lubes. I mean, if a product is full of shit on 2 of their 3 claims, then why should I believe anything they have to say at all. Another thread with with militec-1. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=7&t=396935&page=2 |
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i didnt take it to be offensive and I didnt try to offend anyone, but some people will bash a product based only on what they have heard vs what they have used. It looks like you have used alot so you have your own fact based opinions which is fine, I was just commenting on people that bash it but have never used it. Understood, and I agree with you taking issue with those who talk poorly about lubes, weapons or accessories without any first hand experience.
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if none of yall want it, just send it to me. I like it. I wonder how many people that bash it have used it extensively over a few years and thousands of round like I have? Few I'm sure. CLP is ok, i just prefer Militec. I'm a full time Gunsmith (Yes I work from a shop, not from a garage or basement). If you took offense to my statement I apologize. Miltec is one of the worst lubes there is. It falls right with Remlube, and WD40 for lubricants. I have tried every type of lube/cleaner that's in common use. I get customers bringing in all kinds of "wonder" cleaners and lubes all of the time. I try them all, and am very open minded. If there is something new that works better I will use it. I clean anywhere from 5-15 firearms a day, and shoot about 250-500 rounds per day testing weapons (60K-120K per year). I get to see first hand how fast, and how well cleaners and lubes hold up. I also have local L.E.O.'s, S.W.A.T. Teams, and customers taking carbine/pistol courses test lubes for me. and then let me examine their =weapons and collect malfunction reports from them. In my experience these products work the best. -Heavy Carbon Deposits: Slip 2000 Carbon Cutter -Heavy Copper Fouling: Sweets (Follow Instructions, and don't leave it in the bore) -Removing Water: WD40 (You MUST blow off all excess residue with Compressed Air) -Flushing out Corrosive Salts 10/1 Ballistol/Water Ratio and HOT SOAPY WATER -Lead Buildup: Lewis Lead Remover -Stripping Lubricant: MPro7 or Gun Scrubber type Products -General Bore Cleaning: Breakfree Bore Foam -General Cleaning: Breakfree CLP or Hoppes #9 -General Lube: Breakfree CLP or Breakfree LP for AR15's Weaponshield CLP is gaining my favor as well -Substitute Lube (EMERGENCY): Synthetic Motor Oil -Best Suppressor Dunking Cleaning Solution: To be Determined -Long Term Storage: Cosmoline -Rust Preventive: Eezox -Bore Lapping Compound: JB Bore Paste I have experienced too many issues with grease to use it for anything other than a long term storage supplement. I don't think that other lubes are going to ruin you weapon, but I view weapons as a defensive tool. I only use proven and self tested products on them. Almost every "wonder" lube has some kind of weakness or side effect. Good stuff! What do you think of Slip 2000's oils? I'm doing a little wear test with Slip 2000 EWL 30 and 50 and will post pictures soon. Also doing a freeze test and frying pan test. Will post pictures soon. Thanks SkagsSg40, Actually I left out all of the Slip products, except the carbon cutter on purpose. I really do like their products but am still testing them. I have tested the weaponshield a little more so thats why its on the maybe list of lubes. From what I have seen its a first rate lube. Please post your test results when completed. I would really like to see what you have found. I have always enjoyed reading your posts about firearms lubricants. When you post you have my attention. Hopefully if all goes well I will have some results soon(1 month). Just getting the time to get these tests done is the problem. |
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I was debating getting free gallons of the stuff from the manufacturer for our deploying units, but the last word from PS magazine #647 was that MILITEC-1 is not an authorized lubricant for weapons.
The article then went on to say to look to future pages for PS for an update, but over two years later there is still nothing new out. Mr. Giordani seems to have an issue with the .mil log folks and I wonder if that isn't hurting his chances of getting legitimate authorization for use of his products in the Army. |
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If Militec-1 is so good why do they have to have all these web sites to advertise it? Some of them are just plain misleading. Break Free CLP may or may not be the best, but it does meet a standard, MIL-L-63460. Slip 2000 meets that same standard. What standard does Militec-1 meet?
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I personally use KG 1-5 on my AR and go to KG-10 when the environment is Dusty. Top barrel manufacturers recommend it as well. Nothing but great experiences on my end.
Check out Noveske's PDF on this stuff and barrel break-in. I trust this Company. KG Product Recommendation I bought my kit at Harris Tactical Online KG Kit |
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I used it in the sandbox (Iraq) in 2004. Definately attracts less dirt in that kind of an environment (and I have never shot in an environment like that in the US. The dust just gets into EVERYTHING)
We found it works particularly well on the M249 SAW. The SAW is hard to keep clean because dirt gets into everything on the SAW. Militec definately helps keep the weapons running. Deploying again later this year. My PLT will have Militec in their cleaning kits for lube. I like it and use it happily. No problems to report. Lube arguments are like Ford/Chevy, Pepsi/Coke and so forth. It gets really heated and usually stupid. Militec works. I'm sure other types work well too but I like Militec. |
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