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Posted: 11/14/2006 1:18:51 PM EDT
| I have been advised to get a carbon scraper to aid in cleaning my SP-1. Not sure what that would be. This is my first black rifle. |
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Not really necessary, but some folks like them. I made mine from an old section of aluminum cleaning rod. Hammered it flat on my bench vice, then filed it to match the interior of my bolt carrier. www.bushmaster.com/shopping/gunsmith/mbc-02.asp |
| I've seen two types of carbon scrapers, both help with the cleaning of the bolt recess in the bolt carrier. You take the scraper and twist it around in the carrier and it cleans out the crusted carbon that forms in there, quickly and easily. I believe I saw them at brownells.com |
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With the Militec treatment (apply and Heat 150F for 15 minutes) and the oils they have now days I threw my scraper out long ago. I have zero carbon build up in my bolt carrier. I treated my upper's internal parts with the Militec and use (there is a post) MC3000. One wipe with a wet patch of Hoppe's Elite Solvent (MPRO7) and no more carbon. Cuts your cleaning time in half. Hope this helps. |
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No carbon scraper needed. See Quib's reply for a solution. Also, the female end of an unhammered cleaning rod can be use to completely clean the flat parts inside the bolt carrier. ETA: just clicked on Quib's bushy link. Holy shit 31.95 for something anyone could make for free in about 30 seconds???? 
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Quoted: With the Militec treatment (apply and Heat 150F for 15 minutes) and the oils they have now days I threw my scraper out long ago. I have zero carbon build up in my bolt carrier. quote] Holy cow!!!!! You acctually bought into Militecs BS marketing and baked your firearm?!?!?!?!  
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+1 Militec only works with heat AND pressure (as from moving parts). The heating thing is total BS. Not only that, it only generates it's film on STEEL parts. It does NOT form a film on aluminum parts. Any affect you are seeing on the receivers is strictly placebo. |
| Now from someone that DOES like them. After about 3 to 4 thousand rounds, feed and eject problems are usually caused by carrier fouling at the bolt tail pass through area. I run a scraper in mine every 1000 rounds.....which for me, seems to be once or twice every couple of months.......Christ ammo is getting high........and ADCO Firearms has them for $19. |
Sorry, I'll save my 19 bucks and do it for free. I'll get it done the same way, and just as quick. Not knocking whatever your prefered method is. I like my way---cheap/simple. If I lose a tool, just break out a hammer and another cleaning rod or coat hanger. |
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Militec only works with heat AND pressure (as from moving parts). The heating thing is total BS. Not only that, it only generates it's film on STEEL parts. It does NOT form a film on aluminum parts. Any affect you are seeing on the receivers is strictly placebo I sorry man but you don't know what you're talking about. We've been using this stuff in ar-15 tactical courses and after a session with rem oil or clp and it's all dried up you can wipe the carbon off with your finger. The lubes that don't burn off same thing, wipe it off. Everybody I know does the baking process that way you can get all areas. You think your semi-auto ar-15 get's that hot? It took us almost a case of wolf ammo to get my buddy's ak auto warmed up to our satisfaction. I think you need to know what you're posting. |
This is comments on Militec from the formulator of FP10 who's product works in a VERY similar fashion to Militec. Link
I have E-mailed MPC (makers of FP-10) about this very thing (after the formulator has left the company) and they have stated that it does not form a film on non-ferrous parts. If you question this, please call or E-mail Militec and see what they say. Ask them specifically if their product forms any type of film on non-ferrous materials. Since you claim that I don't know what I'm talking about, please provide some technical information to back your point. How halogenation works |
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If you question this, please call or E-mail Militec and see what they say. Ask them specifically if their product forms any type of film on non-ferrous materials. Since you claim that I don't know what I'm talking about, please provide some technical information to back your point. I have an open mind and I'll look into it. I wish I could show you the results after shooting session and how easy the carrier is to clean. I'm not flippin' ya crap I always enjoy talking firearms with people. I only know what I heard and saw. Call Wade's Guns in Bellevue, WA and ask one of their AR shooters about the Militec treatment. I was told by a Militec rep to try the heating. It's worked one wipe with a wet patch inside the bolt carrier and nice and shiny. Then I didn't hear sbout it for a while until I went to Wade's and they showed me the same thing. I've tried FP-10 and while it's a good oil the cleaning was the same. Out comes the scraper. That was a few years back. My point is only what I've experienced and saw. |
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Not trying to slam you either farmboy and I'm glad that you are reporting your findings. Always good to see that here. Just trying to bust through the hype/marketing and get some real info out there. And for the record, ALL lube companies hype their products to some extent. This is from a Site that advocates NOT using Chlorinated products:
Don't get me started on the fact that Militec is an additive designed to be used in other base oils and contains way too much chlorine to be used as a stand alone product. I use and like FP10, but it's not the only product that I use. I happen to use Eezox on my AR. |
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