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Posted: 10/22/2006 5:42:09 AM EDT
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OK, Im new to cleaning AR and the last time I cleaned the barrel the rod got stuck in it when I tried to patch it. On my pistol I use a jag that looks like a blunt end with a little spike and it pushes the patch through. I have one that looks more like the threading end of a needle for my AR rod. Everytime I push it in it gets jammed in the same place, right past the chamber and it's binding on the metal rod. I can see it where its chipping the cheap red SAF T covering off Right behind where you screw on your attachment. When I use a brush or a mop it doesn't happen. I had an extra push type jag around that was plastic and I tried that and it seemed to bend right where it screws in which would coincide with the missing red right behind it. Twice last night it screeched like metal on metal, so I gave up I used my mop to finish dying and oiling. Now this barrel has seen som wear as I bought the rifle used as a preban, but I do intend on getting a new upper and if this happened to a new barrel Id be pissed. Im going to get a new rod not this cheap SAF T crap, but what if anything, am I doing wrong. Whats the right way to secure the patch to the thread type jags? Does anyone have a pic of a patch in one of these jags? |
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i use that jag to run a oily patch thru the bore. i don't try to clean with it. if you can run the rod thru with the mop it's not to big. so the "needle" jag is wrong. i would use a Dewey Rod. use the standard brass jag to patch use a brass brush rod to scrub you can wrap a patch around the brass bristles and soak it in solvent. |
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HK~Thanks for the link Sir, Great idea. Thats what I'll do, (brush/Patch). Mop did a great job anyway last night. Although I wish I knew what went wrong here because oily patch or not it wont go through without binding up when using that needle jag. What length Dewey Rod do you recommend? |
metal on metal sound?  definately not the rod, but Dewey rods are nice and comparatively expensive. you may try cutting your patches smaller (3/4" x 3/4" square) |
Rob the Rod I have right now is metal, it was the rod. Right behind the tip where you screw in your attchment, the saf T coating was pushed off from the friction after it was bare in that spot it started screeching thats when I stopped using that f***ing thing. The Mop worked but wanted to know why, and what to do in the future. |
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rod length is a function of your barrel length plus the upper receiver length and any boor guide length. the upper is about 7" long. say the barrel is 16" and you add an extra 1" for the bore guide. total is 24" for the rod. you will need to use the adapter so you get an extra inch. oh, and my bore guide is a "pro-shot" model BGAR15 |
was the coating pushed back all the way around the rod? reason I ask is, if the coating is only pushed back on one side or in a particular area, you need a bore guide. It could be that you are applying force to the rod, causing it to bend and contact the bore. this would explain why the mop works but patches don't. Again, try cutting your patches smaller and using a bore guide. |
That's a good idea, knuckle head!  I cut mine to approximately 1 3/4" square - depending on the thickness of the t-shirt that I'm cutting from. Larger patches PULLED THROUGH is more efficient in my experience. It takes a little more work in the short run, but you end up running less patches through the gun. Bigger patches have more surface area to grab filth. Plus pulling through allows you to run tighter patches. |
PUSHING is just WRONG Markm is correct! almost always  Might try smaller patches I use about 8 patches when cleaning my AR`s anything more is a waste of time I bought my Dewey back in the early 90`s and its still going strong Great Rod BTW I also love my OTIS wich will Fit in a Grip easy!! Also I have and use GI Cleaning Kits wich do a great job and come Very cheap I dont worry about my Barrels since they are all Chrome lined so I USGI wont hurt it a bit |
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With the patch, jag, and push method. Using the right size patch is critical. With this method the patch works like rings on a piston and pushes all the crap out the end of the barrel. If you use a patch that is to large, you can jam the patch and rod in the barrel in short order. Both methods work, for me patch, jag and push requires less patches, but the pull thru method is more idot proof amd requires a larger patch. |
I had a PTR 91 that was like that. Except it was the copper fouling that took several cleaning sessions over days to get almost out. |
| Finaly got that one under control today. I found I have to Be more gentle, place the upper up on something and guide the rod through than attach the patches and pull through. I was trying to hold the upper in one hand and do the rod with the other before. I also found that I need a bore guide, if this crap happens on my new upper I'd be pissed. |
Ya know I finally looked at my cleaning rod and it's made by Kleen-Bore so I don't know why the coating came off so easy even if it did get caught between the patch and the bore.  I just ordered a Dewey so I hope I've learned how to be gentle and hopefully the coating is thicker as they say. |
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nope. the muzzle guide protects just the muzzle and let's you clean from the muzzle end. what i am talking about is a tube about 3/4" in diameter and slides in the upper and keeps solvent from leaking into the chamber area. it protects the rod and barrel from contact and aligns everything. |
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