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Posted: 12/25/2005 11:42:27 AM EDT
Hi there guys i need your help please.
I have an m4 carbine and have just started cleaning the gun and found this problem. When i open the upper , the spring from the collapsable stock shot out at me. This is the buffer and spring. It seems that the little pin on the part thats supposed to keep the buffer and spring in has come loose and so has the spring it sits on. What i want to know is how can this happen? How can i fix it ?
I am scared to shoot the weapon now as if the spring is pushed back then it will not that pin out again with its own spring. Normally you can push the srping down and let the buffer and spring out and then it jumps into position again without actually coming out of its hole.

Please can some of the experts here help me ?
Thanks
Craig
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:56:50 AM EDT
No expert here.

Back the castle nut off. Then screw the buffer tube in until it holds the detent pin down. Re tighten the castle nut.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:57:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 11:57:50 AM EDT by M4arc]
Loosen up the receiver end plate/castle nut, replace the buffer retainer and spring, screw the buffer tube in one more rotation, retighten castle nut and reinstall the buffer and buffer spring.

You'll be good to go.

ETA: Damn, Justice beat me by 18 seconds!
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:07:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:09:55 PM EDT
Thanks guys i will try it now here is a pic just in case. Was really worried.
http://photobucket.com/albums/a293/craigsa/?action=view¤t=33.jpg
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:37:37 PM EDT
Ok i am screwed. It seems that the stock piece that screws into the lower is stripped some how and thats the problem , it cannot go far enough forward to sit on the pin properly and therefore when i cock the wapon, it pushes the pin right out. any suggestions ?
the actual thread is stripped on the part of the stock.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:47:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 12:47:59 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:50:02 PM EDT
Timing lip ? I dont know what that is. Its made by Norinco. Very difficult to find a Colt frame here.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 12:53:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 1:17:41 PM EDT by SouthAfricanPolice]
Basically i need a new "Buffer Tube".
Does the length of the actual tube make a difference ?
Maybe i can cut it a bit and get rid of the stripped part ?
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:46:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 1:48:39 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:52:41 PM EDT
Tweak thanks so much man. Holy crap there is a whole piece missing. I think i will just have to try and find a new one or order one. Do you know if anyone will ship to South Africa? Most places i hace tried will not.

Thanks again,
I really appreciate the help.
Craig
SA Police
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:00:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:03:37 PM EDT
The wierdest thing is that its been fine for months and then all of a sudden this happens. Cannot understand where the lip has gone. This is like the twighlight zone.
This stupid country does not even have spares for this kind of thing. There are very few guns like this in South Africa.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:06:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 2:09:39 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:09:21 PM EDT
I cant unfortunately , the threading is stripped. No its not for work. In the cops i use an R5 assault rifle made by Vektor in SA. Its a mod on the AK/ Galil. Gimme 5 minutes i will post a pic of both.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:10:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:11:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:18:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 2:23:35 PM EDT by SouthAfricanPolice]


This has the 50 round magazin in it now but i have 30 round ones as well.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a293/craigsa/40.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a293/craigsa/41.jpg
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:21:38 PM EDT
Its definitely stripped. I am so cross. Grrrrrr. Dont know where i will get another tube
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:31:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 2:32:51 PM EDT by HeavyMetal]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:35:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 2:40:17 PM EDT by SouthAfricanPolice]
Sorry here is the right picture
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:37:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 2:41:19 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:41:35 PM EDT
Pic link is dead..
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:41:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:45:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:52:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 2:56:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
I hate to tell you but your scope mount is on backwards.


LOL yeah thanks someone here already showed me that, its an old pic from September. h.gif
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 3:01:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 3:03:54 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 3:19:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 3:21:58 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:08:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 8:17:51 PM EDT by SouthAfricanPolice]
Tweak thanks again for your help.
It really helps. I can with ease remove the stock but i cannot make one more turn to tighten it.
It is impossible. So tight.
I definitely need a new tube.
Damn this is going to be a problem. You guys are so lucky you live in the USA.
By the way my tube has only got 3 settings.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a293/craigsa/3345.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a293/craigsa/22guns.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a293/craigsa/2guns.jpg
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:26:37 PM EDT
The rifle will function just fine without the buffer retainer/spring (just makes it a bit of a pain to field strip, as mentioned by another). However, I would remove the buffer retainer and its spring entirely to avoid the risk of it falling free and jamming in the firec control group.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 9:29:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:16:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 12:17:15 AM EDT by SouthAfricanPolice]
But hold on guys maybe i am not understanding how the gun functions. When i cock the weapon , the bolt comes back and pushes the spring back into the tube in the stock. Correct ?
Now if this is correct then when this occurs , and you let the bolt come forward after cocking the weapon, then the spring and the plate that keeps the spring in place jump out of the tube as it has no pin to stop it as the pin has no tube lip to keep it there.

How would the weapon work without these pieces. Sorry if i sound stupid but i dont see how the bolt can then move back and forward without tension from the spring in the tube.

Thanks again.
Craig
By the way i just took out the spring and cylinder from the tube of the stock and it does not cock now, the bolt just sits there and does not move forward.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 1:57:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 2:04:19 AM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 5:21:38 AM EDT
Ahhh i see now what you mean. Ok i will try that thanks. But i still need to find a new barrel for the spring , i cannot sleep well knowing that my gun is not working 1000%.

Thanks Tweak and the other guys here. I owe you.

Craig
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 12:04:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SouthAfricanPolice:
The wierdest thing is that its been fine for months and then all of a sudden this happens. Cannot understand where the lip has gone. This is like the twighlight zone.
This stupid country does not even have spares for this kind of thing. There are very few guns like this in South Africa.


OUCH! Thats YOUR Country your talking about.
Is Chi-Com all thats available to you in AR style?
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 5:16:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 5:21:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
I hate to tell you but your scope mount is on backwards.



+1
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:10:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 9:14:36 PM EDT by SouthAfricanPolice]

Originally Posted By demusn1979:

Originally Posted By SouthAfricanPolice:
The wierdest thing is that its been fine for months and then all of a sudden this happens. Cannot understand where the lip has gone. This is like the twighlight zone.
This stupid country does not even have spares for this kind of thing. There are very few guns like this in South Africa.


OUCH! Thats YOUR Country your talking about.hinking.gif
Is Chi-Com all thats available to you in AR style?


Don't get me wrong but it has become almost impossible to own semi-auto rifles in SA. This gvt does not believe in legal gun ownership however if you want an illegal AK or other gun then its ok. (Sarcasm)
Anyway you guys do not know how lucky you are to have a constitution that guarantees you the right to own a firearm.
I am more patriotic about USA then i am about my own country. To find an original Colt receiver is very difficult.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:47:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 11:55:38 PM EDT
Yes i got it and replied thanks so much.
Craig
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 5:15:36 PM EDT
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/ stocks lots of small parts theymight be able to help you. Try emailing them and letting them know your situation.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 2:41:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 3:17:41 AM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:33:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 3:34:51 AM EDT by SouthAfricanPolice]
Yes thanks i just had it on backwards. I see that its supposed to fit the other way.
Thanks
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:43:06 PM EDT
RSAPD,

Get ahold of Dave Sheer in Pretoria.

If a tube is needed, he has the capacity to machine one, or get one.

Mind the gates and the dogs.
He's good people, and worth the initial distractions, that are too common these days.

We are spoiled here in the USA.

But we share a common enemy, as always.

Bie Dankie!
S-28

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 9:26:44 PM EDT
Thanks so much for the information. I actually went to Dave Sheer yesterday as he is an uncle of one of the cops i work with but he is unfortunatley on holiday. I will go back when he is there and check what he can do for me.

Thanks.
I like your Afrikaans

Craig
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:58:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 10:58:56 AM EDT by SouthAfricanPolice]
Guys i would just like to make a public thanks to Tweak for his "behind the scenes" assistance in my problem.
Thanks again.

Craig
The SA Police Force thanks you !!
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