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Posted: 2/21/2005 10:34:53 AM EDT
| I hear the guys over in the SAND BOX have went to Militec-1 now for their lubricant on their firearms.Suppose to be better thanCLP in that kind of conditions thats over there.Anyone ever hear of this yet? |
I concur, it is not a cleaner. A seperate solvent or CLP used in addition to Militec is best. But it does inhibit carbon from sticking and doesn't seem to attract dust or dirt like CLP's etc....., so your gun cleans up much easier. And it does prevent rust. The Columian military has used it for years in very humid conditions. It was also extensively tested in Panama by the U.S. military with good results. In the 3 years I've been using Militec, I have had no corrosion or rust on any of my firearms, and best thing is no malfunctions either. That's all the testimony I need. |
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The one place where I think Militech is better than any other lube is when it is put on the radiused part of the bolt. You know the place where all the hard carbon resides? When I put Militech on a clean bolt, the next time I clean the rifle after firing the carbon wipes right off. I like it! Militech does not do too much to loosen up already baked on crud. |
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Without heat the stuff is the same as any plain old oil. With heat, the byproduct has a lubricating property that is documented. It also has almost ZERO pressure resistence. On a technical standpoint the stuff is interesting. At the same time the stuff will assuredly lead to premature galling and displacement of critical dimensions. Not to mention that the Marketing of Millitech includes cashing in on the blood of our fallen. Is it better than the watered down CLP that is the current issue? No it is NOT a CLP. Just a lube. It's preservative aspects are documented as greatly lacking. It has no provision as a cleaner. It is what it is. Unique,and with usefull applications. Just not on My or anyones rifle that I am responsible for. Pain old motor oil works as well if wet ain't a problem. Graphite works as well if not better in the cold. Plenty of others out there work better all around. Mind the hype. If the stuff was all that, Aberdeen would have given the stuff the blessing long ago. S-28 |
Hum, you make alot of characterizations about the stuff, but I don't see much evidence of your claims. Nor do you list your personal experience with the stuff. Nobody has to use it, or even to like it. I was just listing my unbiased experience with the product. Although, I'm not real sure what the point is for some here to badmouth it without listing documentary evidence or their personal experience with it. BTW, saying Militec is cashing in on the blood of our fallen is like saying Haliburton, etc..., as well as many other businesses in the U.S. that are currently engaged in supporting our soldiers in Iraq is also doing the same thing. I notice you choose to ignore their contributions. As for your assertion about Militec causing galling, my experience indicates the reverse is true. I have used the product while breaking in two AR's in the past three years. Have experienced no malfunctions with either in over 1000 rounds, and most important little to no wear on the inside of my upper receiver, or other parts, etc...... and zero corrossion issues. Now, I will admit, as a former Marine who cut his teeth on old fashioned solvent and LSA, I most probably take better care of my weapons than the average shooter. But babied they are not. Is Militec a miracle? Nope. No more than any other product on the market, or what one witnesses on Sunday morning TV. But in my experience it works very well, and better than the procedures some are currently using. Proceedures which we sometimes see on this website cause alot of problems with reliability. I suppose some just have a bone to pick with Militec. Fine. I just don't see what purpose it serves to share your bias with others here about a product that you don't seem to have much personal experience with. |
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I have some. Their price system is a rip-off. It has nothing special to bring to the table. CLP and proper weapons maintenance will get the job done. There are higher drop point teflon based products that blow both of these lubes away, but none are cleaners. Militec isn't a wonder lube. Balistol blows it out of the water. |
Yeah, I disagree about CLP being an adequate lubricant. Maybe in garrison, while shooting targets or somethin'. Out in the field, I use a seperate lubricant. I suppose it comes from my early days using Solvent/LSA. Although, I got decent results with the 1st formula of break free in light usage. In my opinion the new formula is much too light to be an adequate lubricant with staying power. It also attracts way too much dust when used in effective amounts, etc... I suppose due to the solvent/preservative content. I might give balistol a try. On second thought, no thanks. Found this; www.amoratech.com/b%5Eindex01.asp Seems Ballistol can also be used to treat wounds, and was invented in the 1800's. I've heard it all now. |
I 1st started using Militec maybe 2 years ago. My friend and I both used it. One example of how Militec failed was on my friends Springfield XD. We were out in the hot Colorado sun throwing lead down range all day long. My buddy kept his holster under his shirt untucked so part of the gun touched his skin. At days end on the left side of the slide where a few scuff marks were had developed a little bit of surface rust. He had a light coating of Militec all over the gun that day. Sence then he know used BreakFree and Outers gun oil's and still carries the same way with no rust to be found on the same gun. As far as Militec vs. CLP as a lube I couldn't honestly tell much of a difference. Even when heating the Militec a liberal coat of CLP felt "slicker". I laugh at how you are supposed to add heat to Militec to bring out the best in the lube. In real life in the field and in combat I can't think of a solider that has access to a Hair drier, heat gun, torch or oven to make Militec work as it was intended!!!  The way I see it there are many better oil's/lubes out there then Militec. Lubes that lube better and protect better so why use Militec? |
It's really not about experience but about lubricants and chemistry and what is basically public knowledge. You don't have to be an engineer to know that extreme pressure additives have been routinely used in the metal cutting industry for ages and that these are primarily sulfur and chlorine based compounds. Nor do you have to be an engineer to know that the byproducts of these additives are acidic, even if fully acceptable to the metal cutting industry, as their operations are short lived. You cut the metal stock and you're done. Also public knowledge is that these additives are EXTREMELY corrosive. Interestingly, the Militec MSDS, while refraining frm revealing a single CAS no will report "Hydrogen Chloride" as a byproduct of "fire" a clear indication of the presence of chlorinated compounds. What might these be used for? Well, for extreme pressure regimes. That's why you love the lubrication qualities of this product. But verytime your gun goes bang (the "fire" thing) you get HCl. If that doesn't bother you, hey that's fine. Your barrel, well if it could speak... So while I've never used Militec I know enough not to use something like a dark cutting oil on my semis...Nor Militec as it's basically the same ultimately corrosive shit Edited for some spelling... |
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Research the archives here for the "Newsformericial" released bt Militec in the wake of the hype of Jessica Lynch. Absolute civillian marketing puke! Expose the CRAP (Have gotten several samples from Militec and have run them in both exposure testing and in weapons testing) to varying environmentals and the stuff completely stinks when compared to the current and flaccid version of CLP. Friggin' Valvoline 10-W30 fares better under exposure to the environment. All bullshit aside the AR/M-16 will run reliably for the average load out of 210 rounds of ammo using plain old First pressed olive oil, motor oil, or crisco. Keeping the thing from rusting, binding up from environmentals, and still allowing the thing to be reliable is the problem. Millitec makes claims that Jessie Lynch and her unit DIED and suffered because of the Army's choice of lubes, and that their brand of snake oil bullshit was overlooked becauseof FAILURE at acceptance trials got in the way. They never make mention of support units lackadasical efforts on individual weapons maint. They never make mention that line units are NOT having the same problem using CLP. Their instructions specificly referrence heating up the product in order to be effective. They never refference their products pressure rating. Have seen their product first hand allow galling on Major name brand sidearms where others have been successfull.....quietly. Their product has it's place. It damn sure ain't on our best rifles. My own will never see it. S-28 |
My experience shows that the heating bit with Militec is unnecessary. Normal firing of the weapon produces the same results. As for the rust situation, Militec is no more the ideal solution to all rust problems, than the same can be sad about Break free or any oil. Like I said, I use Militec and FP-10 primarily as lubricants. Although they both provide light cleaning and preserving. Perhaps your friend should consider Break-free etc... to wipe down the exterior of the weapon. In this regard it is a superior product. So, I suppose for me that sums it up. I don't believe in 3 in 1 products. In my experience, none of them do the job of specific products designed for specific jobs. And since most of my weapons are of military grade, rust doesn't tend to present much of a problem. As far as Breakfree CLP. In my opinion the old formula was superior to the new formula. It is a very good rust preventer (what it was originally designed for, in high sulfuric acid environments), if that's what you're after. As far as cleaning and preserving, in my view, it leaves much to be desired. |
Do you know anything about oxirane acid scavengengers (epoxidized oils), organo-metallic surface reacting reagents and chemistries, or just plain hydrocarbon chemical engineering? There's alot of misinformation out there. Educate thyself, from the master himself; www.mpc-home.com/halopaper.html |
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Yes I do know about epoxidized oils (again fairly old inhibiting chemistry). I wonder why Militec makes no mention of any inhibiting chemistry in their MSDS, given that corrosive byproducts are always a concern with chlorinated hydrocarbons. Are you actually asking if I'm a chemical engineer? You can read my post where I declare to be a layman who simply avails himself of what knowledge is publicly available, and no less legitimate... ETA thanks for the link. One reason I always choose FP-10 over Militec is A) complete MSDS with all CAS nos, so these can be cross referenced with other databases, and B) because of the inhibiting chemistry in FP-10. |
Corrosive by-products, as well as claims these substances attack the ozone layer are a clever attempt by some in the industry to help you to replace your machinery at regular intervals. I understand it's something about profits and protecting ones territory. From what I understand, the lubrication chemistry of these products is very similar. I'm not here to hock either product, behave as some sort of obsessed groupie, or prove my lack of knowledge concerning lubrication engineering. Just sharing my experience using both, as well as many others on many different firearms over the past 25 years or so. I have yet to experience any of them eat any of my firearms, or contribute to my sunburn. If you have, kindly share you experience with us. |
| You've already asked for our experience and I reply now as I did then that it's not about experience. It's about the immutable laws of physics and chemistry, and these are independent of our experiences and subjective observations. I'm not selling anything either, just offering a layman's opinion, an opinion however that is a tad more than just pulled out of thin air or merely based on some "experience" or "observation." |
It also makes a nice Martini. Shaken, not stirred.  I had to edit to say, I have cleaned a few black powder firearms using dish soap, WD 40 and the wife's oven. Balistol, mixed 50/50 with water completely emulisifies the water. This is no shit, and you could do it for a party favor. Anyway, the mix at that ratio, and even with more water, cuts black powder fouling so well, that there is no reason for me to try any other product. It truly cleans and lubes the black powder guns without hot water, an oven, or hours of time. Kinda like cleaning your AR with MPro-7. And, it does make a nice Martini.
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James_Gang, Have you read George Fennell's "Effects on metals" paper on the FP-10 site you linked? I believe the pdf covers what Romulus has patiently tried over and over to point out.It also has descriptive photo's. Sure there is a bit of FP-10 advertisement involved towards the end of the paper,as one would expect. Take it for whatever its worth to you,but it comes from a manufacturer's L.E. who uses halogenated hydrocarbons in the products they manufacture and sell. From what Ive been able to find on the internet and library its accurate information. |
Ballistol is a cleaner,lubricant and preservative...in fact the grand pappy of clp's.I agree the stuff works pretty darn well...I like it too.Mild alkaline also so it can neutralize acids from powder, primers or caps. I'd say the wound dressing/diinfectant is due to the alcohol content.Its not a snake oil by any means.Been using it for years on corrosive ammo and black powder guns.It works.  edit to add:here a little better source for information on the Ballistol: www.klever-ballistol.de/ |
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I have had miltec attack myu kimber in augast weather. the side agianst the body and slide rails were rusted from 10 hours of carry. Miltec claims there product has superior rust preventions quailitys to Break free clp. When in fact it actually has zero to I would assume less than zero. DRY AND CONSTANT LUBRICATION PREVENTS JAMMING MINIMAL MATERIAL BUILD-UP INHIBITS CORROSION LONG LASTING HIGHLY CONCENTRATED EASIER CLEANING its bull shit. when the Navy tested it they found a dry ar to run better than this stuff, in ther sand chamber. that info used to be found on miltecs web sight. it was a sand chamber test using m16a1's I belive 7 different samples were used with one being a dry rifle. each sample had two rifles run thru the test. miltec failed. |
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Here is what Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane (listed as a "satisfied customer" by Militec) has to say about Militec and specifically its use in a dust environment - note that Militec hosts the report themselves. Corrosion Protection "4. The Militec product's ability to prevent corrosion on "gun steel" was evaluated. Test pieces were coated with lubricant and heated at 160 degrees F prior to being placed in the salt fog chamber in accordance with ASTM B117. Two different tests were conducted: a) A bolt assembly from an M-16 rifle was disassembled and the phosphated parts, including the bolt, the bolt carrier, the cam pin, and the chrome-plated firing pin were treated with Militec and placed in the salt fog cabinet. @5 hours: rust spots evident on firing pin @26 hours: rust spots evident on bolt carrier @101 hours: rust occured from about 30-50% over significant areas of test pieces b) A bolt carrier from an M-16 rifle was stripped of its phosphate coating by grit blasting and treated with Militec and placed in the salt fog cabinet. After 17 hours the bolt carrier was severely rusted (>90% of significant area)." Dust Environment Lubricant Test (Militec is Brand E) "Dust tests with exposure times of one hour, three hours, six hours, seven hours and eight hours were conducted with military and commercially available lubricants applied to M16A1 rifles. CLP provided the best overall performance with one stoppage in five dust tests. VV-L-800 finished second with three stoppages in five dust tests. Other top finishers were Brand D with three stoppages in four dusts tests, Brand C with seven stoppages in five dust tests and Brand E (Militec) with eight stoppages in five dust tests. The three top finishers were liquid lubricants. Although it appeared that more dust accumulated on the exposed exterior surfaces of bolt carriers with liquid lubricants than on bolt carriers with dry film lubricants, the liquid lubricants had more success overcoming friction caused by dust intrusion. 3.1.5 CLP QPL-63460-13 Test Sequence #1: MRBS=NA, all 90 rounds fired successfully Test Sequence #2: MRBS=60/1=60 The lubricant used in this test was CLP liquid. In test sequence #1, rifle #4783144 did not have any malfunctions in the one-hour, three-hour, and six-hour tests. In test sequence #2, rifle #4813100 fired without any malfunctions in the seven-hour test, but recorded one malfunction in the eight-hour test. 3.1.6 Brand E (Militec) Test Sequence #1: MRBS=90/3=30 Test Sequence #2: MRBS=60/5=12 In test sequence #1, rifle #4785227 fired without any malfunctions in the one-hour test; but did have one malfunction in the three-hour test and two malfunctions in the six-hour test. In test sequence #2, rifle #5449207 fired without any malfunctions in the seven-hour test, but had five malfunctions in the eight-hour test. 3.1.14 Unlubricated rifle Test Sequence #1: MRBS=NA, was not tested Test Sequence #2: MRBS=30/6=5 An unlubricated rifle was placed in test sequence #2 seven-hour test as a baseline to compare to the lubricated rifles. Rifle #4831774 had six malfunctions. |
That was me awhile back. I screwed up and left the cap loose on the militec 1/4oz. sample bottle I had in my Otis kit,leaked in the cleaning compartment of the butt stock and ate the foam filler/lining.Had a nasty musty soured odor to it too which is the main reason why I replaced the stock.Could not stand the smell. Contacted the "firearms expert" at Militec and he said he had never heard of that happening and did not see how it could.Pretty much gave me its been used by and on this or that speach. Did some testing myself on a plain old styrofoam cooler top after that happened with several gun oils I use just to see what was up.Militec is the only one that melted through styrofoam.Tried Break Free CLP,FP-10,Mil-comm TW-25B,MC-2500 and Mil-surp LSA...no damage.Does not happen overnight thought.It takes a few days for militec to disassociate the styrofoam and really smells musty for some odd reason. I know styrofoam is totally different from other polymers,especially those used in firearms grips,frames,stocks and parts and is very easily damaged,melted etc. but never thought about a gun oil doing that before...strong solvents yes but never with a oil. Kinda made me wonder what the long term effects would be on polymer parts though. Was told by another source that the pure state chlorinated plasticizers are used in the foam indusrty and is why it will melt the styrofoam. So keep the militec out of the inside of the butt stock...trust me.Stocks are cheap but still. |
My point is this stuff is old technology. Nothing necessarily wrong with that. But much like using a rock for self defense, there are alternatives that I personally feel more comfortable with on modern, computer designed and machined, firearms such as the AR with its rather tight tolerances. Not to mention the inherent benefits of synthetic and modern lubricants designed for use on modern weapons. Besides that, I'm quite sure the wife's cooking oil, or my favorite motor oil will lubricate my AR adequately in a pinch. A perfect example of my feelings would be if one of the major gun lubricant manufacturers started marketing their product as a cure for cancer, etc....., rather than as a gun lube, etc.... To me this is a red flag. Some have expressed problems with Brad's rather vocal promotion of his product in the wake of the Jessica Lynch incident, and other problems with the reliable functioning of weapons etc... in Iraq. I cannot confirm that these failures are purely lubricant related. But from my experience with the AR and other auto-loading firearms, in and out of the U.S. military, which is over 30 years, I can without reservations state that the proper functioning of these weapons as well as the design depends upon proper lubrication in the same respect that one couldn't expect their pick up truck to function properly without the proper oil circulating through the engine. I don't have malfunctions, plain and simple. Any. Nor any corrosion or rust problems (one would think from some comments here that certain products eat gun metal from the moment of application). Therefore, the reason I share my experience in this regard with people here is not because I have some sort of lubrication background or fancy figures, or clever marketing to explain why this is the case, or to explain why one product is better than another. On the contrary, I am only sharing the path that I chose to reach my malfunction free utopia. In this regard I currently have three products in which I use to clean and lubricate. One is shooters choice solvent, and the other two are Militec, and FP-10. I have found I don't need others on my weapons or for general lubrication around the house. And I am more than willing to consider others experiences here with other products. Notice I said experience and legitimate science, not blind groupie obsession or claims that a particular product eats metal, etc..... As a perfect example of this I had a Bushmaster M-4 clone that's had a virtual bath in Militec-1 for the past three years. It's also never had a malfunction from the day it came from the factory (around 800 rounds of Q3131A). I challenge anyone to look at the rifle and tell its been shot, much less damaged by my choice of lubrication. In fact, when I recently traded the rifle the gunshop owner looked at me and asked whether it had been fired. I just winked. Perhaps it was just Parris Island. I also have a P-95 that's endured the same treatment(zero malfunctions in the three years I've used Militec). It's plain stainless steel and polymer frame would certainly show some evidence of such problems that you guys suggest. But no, nothing. I admit I find Brad's marketing somewhat unappealing (now he suggests we should carpet bomb Syria and Iran. Nothing like making a few more friends to take advantage of our lax immigration and border security enforcement practices), but my and many others experience with his product has been very good. The fact that some have invented issues with the product over disagreements with Brad's marketing is revealing to me personally. Much like the swift boats attacks Kerry in the last election. Assertions that were proven false by interviews (conducted by Nightline) with the Vietnamese who were there. I suppose some just want to believe what they want to believe. That's there business. Any point in sharing it with the rest of us? Especially when it appears to be strictly a personal problem. Every one is free to use what they like based upon their own research, etc... I think it's called freedom of choice. |
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James_Gang Just as a note I did not intend the Ballistol post to be directed at you.Just added my thoughts on the subject. I agree Ballistol is old school lube...which is not necessarily a bad thing either.Like Ive in the past it works pretty darned well as a lube...but it flashes off too fast under heat for a high volume auto loader in my opinion.Ive tried it and thats the opinion I got with it on my AR and G3.At about 200 rounds they were drier than a pop corn fart. It does clean very well and has a copper cleaning edge and verygood corrosive ammo solvent, just as it was designed...and also fairs well as a protectant. So therefore the newer lubes like Break Free,FP-10,Mil-comm and CorrosionX etc. do perform better as a lube and are longer lasting in that regard. As Ive said before my main application for the Ballistol is for my Blackpowder guns and mil-surp bolt guns that see alot of corrosive ammo.Works absolutely perfect for that application. That said my auto loaders that see alot of use like the AR,G3,sks,1100 etc. get the FP-10 CLP.Absolutely love the stuff.Longest lasting,easy to use kick butt all in one clp I have used.Especially for what it costs.May not be the very best cleaner or the end all protectant in the world but it gets the job done well enough...and shines very brightly as a lube IMHO. Pistols get my all time favorite lube TW-25B.If the Mil-comm was not so hard to use and expensive I'd use it on every weapon I own.But with 40+ firearms I cant afford to buy the stuff to keep them all running or the time needed for application at the rate that I use my firearms...and the fact the Mil-comm is just plain over kill for a bolt,wheel or pump gun.So only my pistols get the royal Mil-comm treatment...especially the carry guns. No real problems with Break Free CLP either.Its gota be the most tested and used gun oil on the market ever.I used the CLP for about 14 years with no real complaints other than kinda wanting a better lube.I'd have to say its an all time favorite of mine as well and have no probelms using it..In fact I can't pass up buying it when its on sale...old habits die hard and as a result I have a huge supply of it on hand to use when I need or want it. For cleaning excessively nasty weapons the old #9 or Mil-comm MC-25 comes out and is what I use for most all barrel cleaning. As for the Militec...I could careless what the owner of the company does or says.Does not affect me in any way at all.Its a free counrty and he can say what he wants.I can read well enough to make up my own mind on what folks say. I do not have a personal problem with Militec or thier VP's.The Militec has its place in the market,its just not for me or on my firearms.The product did not float my boat in the long run and that was it.Loved it at first..But hey that is me,my opinion and what happened in my circumstance. As a consumer I practiced my God given right,express myself and moved on to something that makes me happy...and I brag about what works for me and what I like as you can tell. I have my prefered products and outlined procedure just as you do. So like the old saying goes,if it floats your boat go with it. Edit to add: By the way the AAR I read said that there is no lube that will guarantee reliabilty of weapons in extreme dust,sand or damp environments other than good old G.I. elbow grease. Recommendation was to clean weapons twice a day at least if possible leaving a very light film of oil no matter what lube or weapon is used.Wiping the weapon completely dry of lube was not recommended. From talking with a fella I know in the 101st ABD that was in the Stan and OIF(my brother inlaw) thats what he did.Clean,clean and clean,no excusses accepted.First lube he used was powdered graphite which apparently caused some corrosion issues and was dropped rather fast.He said they ended up using LSA-T from the crew served toys,not clp,applied and wiped excess off.No problems or failures either.He had never heard of Militec,FP-10 etc. until I mentioned it.In fact the brother inlaw said they could not get thier hands on Break Free CLP and they wanted it bad...They used whatever they could get there hands on that worked and that was LSA-T,cleaned with canteen water,baby wipes or fuel. |
| Is'nt new technology, products that have been developed in the past few years. How come 20 year old products are still the mainstain of everyones cleaning kits and anything new "could'nt work." How many of you are driving around in a early 80's or even 70's automobile. Not including sports cars that are timeless. I doubt many of you are. |
Well Im still driving my 1985 Dodge D100 and 1985 Dodge Ramcharger 4X4 on a daily basis and only means of transportation.Been good to me for many years,they just need a little TLC every once in awhile.But being a mechanic Im used to that. Gota 1982 Chevy Blazer Im in the middle of restoring the body on too. Im too cheap to buy a new truck but some of my firearms are worth more than the truck I haul them in.Ive got my priorities reversed I guess but I like the older stuff too. |
Well of course I was speaking about advances in synthetic lubrication technology. Technology pioneered by the germans during WW2. And the best part of it is, it doesn't originate in Saudi Arabia, etc.... Like I stated above, in a pinch and used properly, any oil will work even light cooking oils, etc.... But like some oils on the market one must be aware of their limitations. Like any engineering (beware of fancy words), nothing is perfect or a miracle, nor will do everything perfectly everytime or all the time. In this regard today's lubricants are no better than lubes of old. An example of such lubrications and limitations can be found if one attempts to use vegetable oils and their tendency to thicken with time or with cold, besides their many other unsavory properties when used on machines like firearms. Refined petroleum oils exceed the performance of vegetable oils in almost every category of use, except one, flavor. Nothing like cooking ones French Fries, etc... in Shell Rotella to understand this point. Or using sunflower oil to refill ones crankcase. That being said, the oils available today are a far cry from what has come before. But one should not expect their oil to do everything, anymore than they should expect their AR to do the same. Sometimes a B-52 is more appropriate. I'll leave it to each users judgement to determine when to do so. In the meantime, I've got a healthy supply of Militec, FP-10, and Shooters Choice solvent. And am happy with their performance. Therefore, I am quite confident my general and firearm lubrication needs are met for the foreseeable future. That is until the latest miracle product is released, or until the old BreakFree formula returns (I have this chronic desire to shake every bottle of oil I touch). I hope somebody will kindly inform me when that day comes. Just don't bother to also tell me it's a great choice in the kitchen, in the first aid kit, or that it eats gun metal because it doesn't happen to be your choice for whatever reason, whether real, imaginary or ideological. Blankwaffe98, I wasn't mentioning any names. I know you are a rather big advocate of FP-10. No problem there, it's a very good product. I use it also. But some here present their choice as some sort of pseudo gun oil 'savior', and bash anything other than their choice. I'm as turned off by Brad's marketing practices and hype as much as anyone, but I also fully realize the guys trying to feed his family like the rest of us, and his product does in my experience what it's supposed to do, lubricate my firearm. I just see myself as more than capable enough to wade through the bullshyt, and use the product for what it does well and disregard what it doesn't. I hope I've been helpful to those who haven't bothered to research this issue other than listening to the heresay and hype on either side in the battle of the lubricants. And the search for the miracle savior goes on............. I guess I just don't expect to find it in a bottle of gun oil. |
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Hey James_Gang, Yeah I know you were not mentioning names.I just wanted to make sure you knew I was not trying to get at you. I here ya about the shaking every bottle of oil you pick up.I do it too,probably go too far shakin the bottle sometimes which could be mistaken for playin with it.But its not a bad habit.The Mil-comm MC-2500 requires it just as the Break Free.In fact the TW-25B has to be shakin/mixed every once in awhile as it tends to seperate.Old FP-10 use to have to be shakin as well.So the habit goes on for me. As for the FP-10...yeah I do grand stand a bit and I know it,just cant help it...but I do really think its one of the best out there and I sure have no problems using or recommending it as you know. You have what makes you happy and are firm in the use.Thats the key. Either way its been fun sharing posts with you on the topic.But I think this one is dead.Time for a new one. |
Haha. Yeah, I never seemed to have a problem whackin' my gun oil either. Appreciate the good natured banter. Excuse me, I must go stoke my piggy bank. Just in case my current choice of lube turns out to render my basic means of 'SHTF' protection unservicable, except as a club. |
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