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5/29/2013 6:33:20 AM EDT
I have less than 1k rounds through this gun. The extractor is being worn down badly and it keeps chewing up gas rings. I just changed them out for the second time. Any suggestions as to what might be the problem? It came with the D-ring installed over the extractor spring. I've tried to shoot it with and without but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

Thanks

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5/29/2013 6:43:59 AM EDT
[#1]
BTW, the manufacturer is taking care of me and I'm confident the issue will be resolved to my satisfaction.

I put up this thread to satisfy my own curiosity, create some discussion, and maybe learn something; not trash a reputable brand. So no, I won't be revealing who made it.
5/29/2013 7:02:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Chewing up gas rings is generally the result of a bad interior finish in the bolt channel of the carrier.  Worn reamer, or skipping the finishing pass, or some other manufacturing defect can leave the wall finish in there rough enough to snag, deform and break those delicate little gas rings.
5/29/2013 7:29:44 AM EDT
[#3]
I agree with Circuits. I'd think with gas rings that worn, the issue is with the BC.

I've replaced a couple sets of gas rings at the 2,500-3,000 round mark, and neither set looked half as bad as those in your pic.
5/29/2013 7:30:50 AM EDT
[#4]
Yes, I would say the carrier is at fault here. Do you have another one to try out? What is the manufacturer doing to resolve this for you?
5/29/2013 7:48:37 AM EDT
[#5]
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I appreciate it. I wondered if it was a defect in the carrier.

Shortly after speaking with them on the phone, I received an email with a case # shortly followed with another email from UPS with an attached shipping label. So other than the box I had laying around and the gas used to drop it off, I have no other shipping expenses. I'm sure they'll make it right.
5/31/2013 1:15:31 PM EDT
[#6]
That could have been a result of a rough chrome finish inside the carrier.
5/31/2013 1:28:26 PM EDT
[#7]
Agreed on the rough finish tearing up the gas rings, or a burr on one of the gas ports.

What kind of barrel/gas system/buffer configuration are you running?  Excessive extractor tension is not necessary for most reasonable setups, and excessive tension increases the wear and tear.  Steel case ammo also wears extractors especially if they aren't quite as hard as they should be.
5/31/2013 5:47:15 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Agreed on the rough finish tearing up the gas rings, or a burr on one of the gas ports.

What kind of barrel/gas system/buffer configuration are you running?  Excessive extractor tension is not necessary for most reasonable setups, and excessive tension increases the wear and tear.  Steel case ammo also wears extractors especially if they aren't quite as hard as they should be.


I'm running a 14.5 mid length gas and a H buffer. i shoot what I can find and afford; including steel cased ammo. I've heard steel can cause extra wear but with the low round count here, I don't see how that could have been much of a factor.
5/31/2013 9:33:06 PM EDT
[#9]
That configuration should be on the slow end of cyclic rates unless the gas port is just massive.  I'd just use a standard extractor spring and insert, and remove any extra O ring or other tension device.  Those are used to alleviate symptoms of excessive cyclic rate which your rifle shouldn't have, in fact the opposite.  Trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist can have negative effects.
6/1/2013 9:56:44 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
That configuration should be on the slow end of cyclic rates unless the gas port is just massive.  I'd just use a standard extractor spring and insert, and remove any extra O ring or other tension device.  Those are used to alleviate symptoms of excessive cyclic rate which your rifle shouldn't have, in fact the opposite.  Trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist can have negative effects.


I agree.

It came installed from the factory but I removed it after the first one or two range trips to see if it might be contributing to the wear on the extractor and gas rings. I've only had this gun out 4 or 5 times since I built it and it hasn't seen a class, competition, or hard use yet.

Which means I was essentially replacing gas rings after every two or three range trips.

6/1/2013 10:34:28 AM EDT
[#11]
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Which means I was essentially replacing gas rings after every two or three range trips.

You've got a bad bolt or bolt carrier.
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