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10/25/2011 8:43:42 AM EDT
I have a 6920 and the edge of the buffer face is marked up all the way around the edge. I suspect the buffer is making contact with the pin. Is this an issue that should be corrected? If so, how do you correct it? I believe that when you close the upper and lower the rear of the carrier does not push back the buffer a bit like it should.
I suppose repeated contact could egg out the retaining pin hole and I'd rather that not happen.
How do I remedy this?
10/25/2011 10:00:54 AM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
I have a 6920 and the edge of the buffer face is marked up all the way around the edge. I suspect the buffer is making contact with the pin. Is this an issue that should be corrected? If so, how do you correct it? I believe that when you close the upper and lower the rear of the carrier does not push back the buffer a bit like it should.
I suppose repeated contact could egg out the retaining pin hole and I'd rather that not happen.
How do I remedy this?


Find out if the rear of the carrier is hitting your buffer.

If you are not pushing the face of the buffer a smidge, there is something wrong. Is the entire carbine Colt?

Quick fix is to put a spacer in the rear of the extension, then install the spring and buffer. Does not have to be that thick, something like the twang buster.

Pics would be good.
10/25/2011 10:44:26 AM EDT
[#2]
All is Colt except the carrier which I believe is a Smith Enterprises. Doesn't have any markings on it.
Won't a spacer just push the buffer against the pin even more?
10/25/2011 1:19:20 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
All is Colt except the carrier which I believe is a Smith Enterprises. Doesn't have any markings on it.


I would look to see if the rear of the carrier to see if it is smooth. Also, try a different carrier. The bolt carrier should push the buffer back out of contact with the pin, as you close the two halves.

Quoted:
Won't a spacer just push the buffer against the pin even more?


I was thinking that the bolt carrier was coming back too far because the inside of the extension tube was too long, sorry.

The M16 Clinic pad is a band aid if the buffer is hitting the pin.

Post pics.

10/25/2011 1:37:56 PM EDT
[#4]
Sounds like the carrier is a hair too short. The carrier should relieve the pressure from the retaining pin when the rifle is closed, the pin is only there to retain the buffer while cleaning/maintaining the rifle.

I don't understand why anyone would replace a known good BCG (in this case the gold standard of BCGs) with a gimmick unit like a Smith or Fail-often.
10/25/2011 2:45:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Funny thing is, the retaining pin looks like it is also banged up a little from the carrier side not the buffer side. Maybe I have two problems.

Also, I mixed up my rifles, the 6920 is OK, it's my SBR with a Colt SP1 lower with a Youngs NM carrier.
10/25/2011 2:52:39 PM EDT
[#6]
As stated, you have one or more of these problems.

Buffer retaining pin channel was milled too far forward in the receiver, the B/C was milled too short, the barrel extension socket was milled too long (face of barrel extension not flush with the front of the receiver, and/or, the bottom slot on the carrier not milled correctly as well.


Photo's and measurements of all would help us get to the bottom of the problem quickly.
10/26/2011 7:51:05 PM EDT
[#7]
How dirty is it when you shoot it. I have seen this on alot of M16s, but they have have had thousands of rounds in them, caused by the back of the b/c smashing the the buffer face and making a silver ring all the way around the buffer.  But they have been shot full of sand and dirt...
10/26/2011 7:58:11 PM EDT
[#8]
It's dirty enough to need a good cleaning, but not full of dirt and sand.
The buffer face has a ring all the way around it, think I need to look at the rear of the carrier and see if has a burr or sharp edge.
10/27/2011 6:41:33 AM EDT
[#9]
Some carriers actually have machining rings on the face that contacts the buffer. That plus the coating can cause the marking on the buffer.  I take my carriers and remove any machining marks, use fine stones, very fine wet/dry sandpaper, then lightly round edges and finally polish to a mirror finish on a hard felt buffing wheel mounted on a grinder stand, using a very fine polishing compound.  After doing this I have had no more erosion of buffer faces.
10/27/2011 7:22:33 AM EDT
[#10]
I had this on an AR45 receiver. Khalan Arms.  It had lots of such mistakes.  The retainer hole was too far back and yes the hole got egged out.  You could see the receiver extension threads deforming.   I took the buffer to a machine shop and they put it in a lather and took a bit of metal off all the way around the edge of the buffer face.  Worked fine after that.
10/27/2011 7:22:50 AM EDT
[#11]


2 and 3 are carrier marks to the buffer face via burs on the back of the carrier surface, while 1 is the buffer retaining pin damage alone, caused by the buffer no being pushed off the buffer pin via the back of the carrier when the upper is locked home.

10/27/2011 7:51:15 AM EDT
[#12]
Looks like I have #1 although not anywhere near that severe. I'll have to inspect it a little closer. Thanks for the pics Dano.
Maybe I'm making a bigger deal of it than necessary.
10/27/2011 3:34:25 PM EDT
[#13]
You could just remove the buffer detent, it's only there to keep the buffer from flying out when you crack open the rifle.
10/27/2011 4:18:41 PM EDT
[#14]
Here's a side by side of a buffer machined to clear the buffer detent with an out of spec detent hole (left), and the original buffer after about 1K rounds of it hitting the pin (right).  You can see the inner ring of normal carrier wear on the righthand buffer.  This buffer was probably way too soft, but then again, that might have saved the detent pin.
11/6/2011 11:06:06 PM EDT
[#15]
Are slight marks normal from the pin?
11/7/2011 2:04:10 AM EDT
[#16]



Quoted:


Are slight marks normal from the pin?


No, by design the back of the carrier should stop the buffer before it hits the detent, the only time the buffer should contact the detent is when the lower and upper are separated.



 
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