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1/13/2007 5:45:14 PM EDT
The other day I went to the shooting range to zero the rifle in at 50 yards, but the  windages knob is all the way to the left and it still is a good 1.5' off of being centered. It appears that the front and rear sights are inline with each other. Could the barrel be bent. Any help will be appreciated.
1/13/2007 5:59:44 PM EDT
[#1]

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The other day I went to the shooting range to zero the rifle in at 50 yards, but the  windages knob is all the way to the left and it still is a good 1.5' off of being centered. It appears that the front and rear sights are inline with each other. Could the barrel be bent. Any help will be appreciated.

could be, or it could be your technique. you might be fliching a bit and pulling it off to one side.
1/13/2007 6:20:30 PM EDT
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The other day I went to the shooting range to zero the rifle in at 50 yards, but the  windages knob is all the way to the left and it still is a good 1.5' off of being centered. It appears that the front and rear sights are inline with each other. Could the barrel be bent. Any help will be appreciated.


1.5' ???  or 1.5"(inches).  If it is 1.5" off I would suggest returning it to the builder for adjustment.  If it is 1.5' off at 50 yards after full sight adjustment I would suggest putting the bayonet on and using it as a spear
1/13/2007 6:27:42 PM EDT
[#3]
You said it is still 1.5' (feet!) off-center @ 50 yards.  If you really mean feet and not inches, bore site it via eyeball @ 25yds.  Pull the carrier (or bolt) and put it on sandbags.  Wiggle it around until you are roughly on the bullseye when looking through the bore.  Adjust your sight until it is also roughly on the bullseye.  You should be "on the paper".  If you cannot adjust the sight to the bore, then you need to check for something bent or misaligned.  

If you meant inches this won't help.  
1/13/2007 6:47:38 PM EDT
[#4]
my mistake Yes I ment feet will try your advice, thanks
I dont know if it makes any difference but the upper i built myself,
1/13/2007 8:04:13 PM EDT
[#5]
Did you use a set of barrel blocks or an upper receiver block when tightening the barrel nut? What type upper? What type front sight base and rear sight?
1/13/2007 9:08:48 PM EDT
[#6]
Yes I used the receiver block to tighten it, The upper reciever is some cheap o one i picked up at a gun show . I believe it is a A2 uppers its the carring handle is permently attatched to it.  Standard A2 Front Sight Base

Is there a way to tell if the barrel is bent with out taking it to a gun smith?


1/13/2007 9:10:45 PM EDT
[#7]
From the tacked thread:


Q5. "I installed my barrel, but my FSB seems canted in one direction, and in order to zero, I had to move my rear sight all the way to one side, and sometimes it still wont zero because I ran out of windage"

A5. This is a direct quote from Homo_Erectus on the issue:



This is a very common problem with a very easy fix. It's caused by small differences between the upper receiver notch and barrel pin. And here's how you fix it:

Unscrew the barrel nut. With the barrel in the upper receiver, check the sight alignment by eyeballing it. If it's canted to one side, try and twist the barrel in the upper. If it won't move far enough, then take a jeweler's file and very carefully file the side of the upper receiver notch to open it up until the front sight can sit up straight.

Before reinstalling the barrel nut, you have to tighten up the receiver notch so the barrel won't move around while you're cranking down on the nut. With the barrel in the receiver, take a small hammer and punch and very lightly peen down the loose side of the notch. Careful, tap lightly because it doesn't take much. What you'll see is a slight flattening of the threasd right next to the barrel pin. That's it!

This really easy, and doesn't entail doing anything to the FSB.


1/13/2007 9:20:09 PM EDT
[#8]
thank you all
I will take your advice and try thoes tips. One more thing I had forgoten to say,

I knocked out the take down pins in the front sight and twisted it to the right and place the bore laser in the barrel and I had gotten it to line up. So fileing the receiver notch open more to the right would fix it?

1/14/2007 6:30:41 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
thank you all
I will take your advice and try thoes tips. One more thing I had forgoten to say,

I knocked out the take down pins in the front sight and twisted it to the right and place the bore laser in the barrel and I had gotten it to line up. So fileing the receiver notch open more to the right would fix it?



that could work for small adjustments.  If you rotate the barrel too far, the bolt lugs will not line up with the receiver extension.

You could also buy a new front sight base that uses set screws to hold it in place instead of the cross pins.  Then you could set it where you want it before tightening down - use red loctite, let it get on the barrel and screws and degrease before use.  I think Fulton Armory has these bases, others might also.
1/14/2007 9:38:32 PM EDT
[#10]
The rear sight and the FSB bolth look to be inline with each other, I can already see this will not be a cheap fix. When i rotate the front sight its no where near being lined up with the rear sight
1/14/2007 10:23:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Rule of thumb is if you cannot get the rifle sighted in with the aputure in rear sight housing even pegged to one side, then the barrel is not going to re-index in the upper and still allow the barrel extension lugs to be indexed to allow the bolt lugs to enter/exit the extension cleanly.

At this point, you need to pull the barrel and check the alignment of the barrel extension pin to the FSB.  Since you have the FSB taper pins pulled, then this will allow you to pull the FSB forward and check the extension pin against the FSB as well.

If the pin, the barrel gas port, and the FSB are all in line, then you either have a bent barrel or the upper barrel socket is screwed up.

If the pin and gas port is aligned, but the FSB is off, then you have the option of making the FSB an adjustable unit, or Jig'g the FSB up where it belongs, and then re-drilling the FSB/barrel slots oversize for larger taper pins.

Truth be told, if you have the option of sending the rifle/upper back to whom you bought it from, this would be the best bet.  If not, then you have a project on your hands.
1/20/2007 6:26:29 PM EDT
[#12]
I did as you said Dano523 and every thing is allined so I am out of ideas.
I think it would be a lot less stressfull going out and buying a prebuild upper.
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