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Posted: 6/16/2005 12:30:08 PM EDT
What will cause the shell to get stuck in chamber? This is the third time within a hundred rounds it has torn the lip on the case. Could the spring on the extractor be to strong and causing it to get smashed or weaken the lip when being chambered ? This is wolf ammo 223
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At about the 300 round mark, slightly open the bolt (carrier about half way back in the ejection port) and add a few drops of CLP into the gas exhaust hole (pick one, they both lead directly back to the gas chamber since the bolt is cam’d forward), and then charge the weapon by hand a few time to allow the CLP to migrate into the action. At the 300 mark using Oly ammo, the action/chambered is beyond fouled, and the cleaning properties in CLP will work to dissolve the fouling (Yes, you will have a slimy weapon after hitting the 600 round mark). It's that, or just break the weapon down and give it a good cleaning every 300 rounds. |
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| Thanks, it turned out to be a little dirty in there. I can't believe a mil spec weapon would be so prone to failure for a little powder residue. Now, I'm convinced, if ever a combat situation arises. when I truly need a reliable weapon, my first choice from the safe will be my AK. Sorry but this was my first AR and that was not impressive. It's no wonder our guys in the sand box hate the m-16's. |
I'm sure my last comment was a little out of line but, In a combat situation I could assume that barrel heat would expand the chambering area to loosen the tight tolerance and make extraction not as prone to failure. I do not hate my AR at all. It just seems odd. I'm giong to hit it with my dremmel and polish the chamber to a mirror and see if that helps it. |
Don't, More chambers have been ruined this way than anything else. Get a couple hundred rounds of something like XM-193 (brass case and hot ammo), and let the chamber self-polish threw live fire. From that point one, with the help of some extra CLP on the upper bearing surfaces, the rifle should be able to digest Wolf ammo without problems. |
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Wolf is 223, But due to the greater surfaces tension caused by the added coating on the case, it tends to bind to the chamber walls of new/rough chambers over brass case rounds. Simple put, until the rifle has been broken in threw live fire, the action may not be up to the task of extracting the wolf ammo out of the chamber (the fact the the ammo burn beyond dirty, is just another nail in the New rifle-won't cycle wolf ammo coffin). |
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at 1620 yesterday I was in the middle of a parking lot in South Tacoma? or did you mean post # 420? in that case, which #420? the counter has been reset a couple of times. 420 is stoner expression, that you realized that Wolf was the problem after 3 of us pointed out its problematic nature made me think of the extra connation to your post number. |
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Sounds fair. I expect I'll be able to put wolf through it in the future. I managed to get around 500 rds of wolf through with about 15 FTE's. Now I'm useing remington and have put 620 rds downrange with no FTE. I didn't polish the chamber either, like I said I was going to do. I'll try wolf again after about 1000 brass loads and see what happens. |
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i'm having the exact same problems running wolf!! it a fresh JT dist. build with only about 400 rounds of brass ran through it before i picked up 500 rounds of 55gr fmj wolf from cabela's cheap. It turned out to be the old school non-poly coated wolf with the red crap that gets all over. Anyways the first 200 went off with out a hitch, but the next time out i hit about 140 rounds and i had a FTE that ended my day of fun. Being a new weapon i tried carfully to get it out but it was seriously stuck in the chamber and the extractor had torn the lip off. i trashed a old cleaning rod to get it to pop out. after a good clean up i went out a few weeks later i got a chance to go to the range to finish off the wolf stuff and surprise surprise about 130 rounds and i had the exact same problem tearing off the lip. Needless to say i am going to save a few bucks and by the better XM193. i was trying to zero my ar on wolf and i was having a rough time getting consistant groups. I'm not claiming im great shooting open sights, since all my other rifles in the past 10 years have had scopes, but dam out of ten shots i would have 3 that looked like i had my eyes closed. |
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my rifle is having the same problem (i posted the same question in another thread) im using LC-XM193 and it is shaving brass off the rims, but not as bad as your wolf. I have also noticed that when i clean the rifle, i can get 15-30 shots off before it starts jamming again. i have added an O-ring to the extractor spring, and the problem persists. not to hijack your thread or anything, but how many rounds should it take before the chamber wears itself in? i'd say i have about 240 rounds through my upper so far. |
| Hello all, new to the forum, old hand with the M-16/AR-15. Having fired many tens of thousands of rounds from a 10" barreled CAR-16 long before there was the defender D ring things, I'll pass on a little secret and even more experienced user told me. Yes, make sure the chamber is clean, yes make sure the extractor is not worn, chipped or broken, then take that little extractor spring and pitch it. Obtain a disconector spring (yes, for the fire control group in the lower reciever), it will take some pushing, but it will fit. BUT!!!! Dont just slap it back together and go to blastin. The bolt and the extractor are hardened, the extractor pin is not. The extra pressure of the much larger spring will cause this soft pin do develop grooves from the extractor and the ends will wear down inside the holes in the bolt, result? You will NEVER get the extractor removed again. Solution: heat the extractor pin until it glows red and drop it into water to harden it. Dont let it get above dull red or it will be too hard and break. I have used this set up for a very long time with great results. Try it out, just dont forget to harden the pin or you'll be buying a new bolt. |
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