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Posted: 1/13/2014 5:45:06 PM EDT
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My Son and I finished his AR15 receiver tonight. I usually use a standard charging handle from Tactical Intent that is 7075 T6 Forged Aluminum which is milspec. I got a deal on BCG and charging handle from a large parts company with a three letter name. The charging handle that came with the PTAC Bolt I assume is PTAC. It is 100% absolute garbage! After installing the BCG and handle soaked in FireClean it became difficult to manipulate after about the 10th time. I took it apart and looked and the Cerakote on the top inside of the brand new Aero upper looked to be wearing so I cleaned it all up re lubed it thinking it was Cerakote over-spray needing to be broke in. After about 5 charges each one increasingly more difficult I tried to break it down again and almost couldn't get the BCG out of the upper. Look at the pictures below of the POS PTAC charging handle and you can see what was going on and why I almost couldn't get the BCG back out. Cleaned it all back up and used a brand new Tactical Intent handle and all is well.    operator.... |
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Quoted: Nope no barrel. Quoted: Quoted: Did you have a barrel on the upper? Before you go off bashing something I'd like to know the answer to that question. operator.... operator.... |
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Nope not correct. letting the bolt slam home without a barrel will damage the handle but not merely racking the bolt and letting it ride forward. It never loses contact at the handle BCG interface. The problem is soft substandard aluminum in the inexpensive handle. operator.... whats not correct? operating the charging handle and bolt group on a partially assembled upper or assuming that that aluminum is defective? not really sure how you can say "defective aluminum" before incorrect install. Guaranteed on a fully assembled (Barreled) upper you would not have had this issue. |
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The photos and the information are there. I'm not going to argue every point. Use the info to help you make a choice or come to a conclusion or don't. operator..... pictures or no pictures im calling BS. there is NO way that the best highest quality most expensive brand could ever ....oh wait......which brand we talkin bout willis? |
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Think he is talking about psa with that ptac. Next time install the barrel before you go charging it There's no reason you should be charging it when it's not complete +1 i have seen this happen before. a friend ruined (looks anyway) a BCM gunfighter charge handle playing with it before installing the barrel in the upper. have barrel installed before messing with BCG. |
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Nope no barrel. operator.... Quoted:
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Did you have a barrel on the upper? Before you go off bashing something I'd like to know the answer to that question. operator.... And this is why you have a problem. You created this issue, not PTAC. This issue will occur if you don't have a barrel installed. |
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All you rocket scientists just keep jumping in and restating the same thing to make you feel like some kind of AR tough guy guru. I don't use the cheapest, offshore handles. Other than this once, I use a milspec (which is generally held by builders to be the minimum quality) This one time, doing what I always do the handle failed and after installing a 7075 T6 Forged Aluminum handle there isn't even a wear mark after repeating the action. Furthermore I've looked at previous builds and the handles are fine. There is a difference, and the PTAC is softer than 7075 and if you are good with it then fine use it. But those of you spouting off about how I run the charging handle back and fourth ruins all handles you are full of shit. It is only a problem with handles that don't belong in real guns. operator.... |
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All you rocket scientists just keep jumping in and restating the same thing to make you feel like some kind of AR tough guy guru. I don't use the cheapest, offshore handles. Other than this once, I use a milspec (which is generally held by builders to be the minimum quality) This one time, doing what I always do the handle failed and after installing a 7075 T6 Forged Aluminum handle there isn't even a wear mark after repeating the action. Furthermore I've looked at previous builds and the handles are fine. There is a difference, and the PTAC is softer than 7075 and if you are good with it then fine use it. But those of you spouting off about how I run the charging handle back and fourth ruins all handles you are full of shit. It is only a problem with handles that don't belong in real guns. operator.... You idiot. You still can't learn. The reason that YOU messed up the charging handle is because YOU didn't have the barrel installed. Without the barrel extension to hold the bolt so it rotates (and extends from the BCG) correctly to it's unlocked position as the BCG is being retracted, the position of the bolt cam will not align with the raceway and lock everything up. That's why when inserting the BCG into the receiver, it will not fit unless the bolt is fully extended from the BCG and the bolt cam in the upright position to fit in the raceway cut along the top of the upper. The messed up part of the charging handle is where the charging handle has been jammed up against the bolt cam because it wouldn't rotate without the barrel installed to position it correctly. Now if you are truly an "operator" as your name states, then you should know this. It doesn't take a freaking guru to understand how the action of the AR15 works. Sounds like you are more interested in being a troll against PTAC. |
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Have you tried to place it in an action that DOES have a barrel, and see what happens?
Can you post a picture of the inside of your upper, and any wear? Have you talked to PSA about the issue via their "Industry" forum, AND told them that you were racking it with no barrel installed? |
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Quoted: You idiot. You still can't learn. The reason that YOU messed up the charging handle is because YOU didn't have the barrel installed. Without the barrel extension to hold the bolt so it rotates (and extends from the BCG) correctly to it's unlocked position as the BCG is being retracted, the position of the bolt cam will not align with the raceway and lock everything up. That's why when inserting the BCG into the receiver, it will not fit unless the bolt is fully extended from the BCG and the bolt cam in the upright position to fit in the raceway cut along the top of the upper. The messed up part of the charging handle is where the charging handle has been jammed up against the bolt cam because it wouldn't rotate without the barrel installed to position it correctly. Now if you are truly an "operator" as your name states, then you should know this. It doesn't take a freaking guru to understand how the action of the AR15 works. Sounds like you are more interested in being a troll against PTAC. Quoted: Quoted: All you rocket scientists just keep jumping in and restating the same thing to make you feel like some kind of AR tough guy guru. I don't use the cheapest, offshore handles. Other than this once, I use a milspec (which is generally held by builders to be the minimum quality) This one time, doing what I always do the handle failed and after installing a 7075 T6 Forged Aluminum handle there isn't even a wear mark after repeating the action. Furthermore I've looked at previous builds and the handles are fine. There is a difference, and the PTAC is softer than 7075 and if you are good with it then fine use it. But those of you spouting off about how I run the charging handle back and fourth ruins all handles you are full of shit. It is only a problem with handles that don't belong in real guns. operator.... You idiot. You still can't learn. The reason that YOU messed up the charging handle is because YOU didn't have the barrel installed. Without the barrel extension to hold the bolt so it rotates (and extends from the BCG) correctly to it's unlocked position as the BCG is being retracted, the position of the bolt cam will not align with the raceway and lock everything up. That's why when inserting the BCG into the receiver, it will not fit unless the bolt is fully extended from the BCG and the bolt cam in the upright position to fit in the raceway cut along the top of the upper. The messed up part of the charging handle is where the charging handle has been jammed up against the bolt cam because it wouldn't rotate without the barrel installed to position it correctly. Now if you are truly an "operator" as your name states, then you should know this. It doesn't take a freaking guru to understand how the action of the AR15 works. Sounds like you are more interested in being a troll against PTAC.  Who's the idiot that can't fucking comprehend that what I did and HAVE done over and over that has not damaged spec charging handles AT ALL! I participate it this part of the forum to share information not to get in pissing matches with a pair of Nike Basket Ball shoes if that's truly what you are "carbonfly" But if you are a pair of shoes that looks like a dog with a toy gun I can certainly understand why can't wrap your head around something so simple as metal that is too soft to be used and metal that isn't. And as far as TROLLING GD Son do you work for PTAC or something? operator..... |
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Quoted: Have you tried to place it in an action that DOES have a barrel, and see what happens? Can you post a picture of the inside of your upper, and any wear? Have you talked to PSA about the issue via their "Industry" forum, AND told them that you were racking it with no barrel installed? operator...... |
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Just sharing information and my experience with builders and giving mouth breathers like you a way to act tough 
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so you jacked up a cheap ass charging handle whats your point besides trolling.
operator.... When you get over being angry at yourself for mishandling the parts, and are ready to stop taking it out on the hive, comeback and post again. |
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So, someone fudged up a cheap ass CH. You gotta figure, it's that cheap for a reason. That reason most likely betting sub standard materials and craftsmanship.
I can agree with operator. The few builds I've done, I've put my bcg and CH in just to see how it feels. WITHOUT a barrel. When you ride out forward, it will not have enough force to damage a properly made CH. The only one trolling is the ones defending garbage PTAC. But, you are letting people get to you too easily operator. But then again, there are a ton of simple people on this site, so you can't expect too much. |
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Who's the idiot that can't fucking comprehend that what I did and HAVE done over and over that has not damaged spec charging handles AT ALL! I participate it this part of the forum to share information not to get in pissing matches with a pair of Nike Basket Ball shoes if that's truly what you are "carbonfly" But if you are a pair of shoes that looks like a dog with a toy gun I can certainly understand why can't wrap your head around something so simple as metal that is too soft to be used and metal that isn't. And as far as TROLLING GD Son do you work for PTAC or something?
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All you rocket scientists just keep jumping in and restating the same thing to make you feel like some kind of AR tough guy guru. I don't use the cheapest, offshore handles. Other than this once, I use a milspec (which is generally held by builders to be the minimum quality) This one time, doing what I always do the handle failed and after installing a 7075 T6 Forged Aluminum handle there isn't even a wear mark after repeating the action. Furthermore I've looked at previous builds and the handles are fine. There is a difference, and the PTAC is softer than 7075 and if you are good with it then fine use it. But those of you spouting off about how I run the charging handle back and fourth ruins all handles you are full of shit. It is only a problem with handles that don't belong in real guns. operator.... You idiot. You still can't learn. The reason that YOU messed up the charging handle is because YOU didn't have the barrel installed. Without the barrel extension to hold the bolt so it rotates (and extends from the BCG) correctly to it's unlocked position as the BCG is being retracted, the position of the bolt cam will not align with the raceway and lock everything up. That's why when inserting the BCG into the receiver, it will not fit unless the bolt is fully extended from the BCG and the bolt cam in the upright position to fit in the raceway cut along the top of the upper. The messed up part of the charging handle is where the charging handle has been jammed up against the bolt cam because it wouldn't rotate without the barrel installed to position it correctly. Now if you are truly an "operator" as your name states, then you should know this. It doesn't take a freaking guru to understand how the action of the AR15 works. Sounds like you are more interested in being a troll against PTAC. Who's the idiot that can't fucking comprehend that what I did and HAVE done over and over that has not damaged spec charging handles AT ALL! I participate it this part of the forum to share information not to get in pissing matches with a pair of Nike Basket Ball shoes if that's truly what you are "carbonfly" But if you are a pair of shoes that looks like a dog with a toy gun I can certainly understand why can't wrap your head around something so simple as metal that is too soft to be used and metal that isn't. And as far as TROLLING GD Son do you work for PTAC or something?
operator..... I feel the love in here, Do we need a group hug? I wont buy anything from PSA anymore because of the PCRAP stuff, slow shipping & missing parts from orders. Nothing like waiting a month to get them. go put a lower together an a $2 part is missing an waiting another 2 weeks. |
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Out of curiousity, is this the $89.99 BCG and charging handle, or one of the $69.99 ones they had just after blackfriday? Reason I'm asking, is I'm considering ordering one of the $89 ones in the next few days. I see no "PTAC" designation on it tho, and have had great luck with PSA to this point.
Edit: went back and checked psa's site.. The $89 BCG is indeed PTAC. |
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I dont think this kind of damage would happen to a plastic charging handle if the bolt was ridden foreward slowly. That is the result of impact, hard impact. this is what I am taking away from this. I don't care how cheap the aluminum is, if you ride it forward like the OP claims there is no chance of the aluminum deforming like in the picture he posted. |
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