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Posted: 10/14/2013 3:58:43 PM EDT
| I'm sure it has been asked but i couldn't find a post to answer. I am finally going to be able to complete my long-range rifle build but I think that I might have the wrong barrel. I have a Wilson Arms 20" .223 Wylde BB w/a 1/8 twist. Now that I have been able to read and learn (i'm a novice) that a higher twist rate may be optimal for a longer-range application. I'm obviously not a sniper, but would like to invest in a long-range shooting school and would like to say within the .223 arena for now. Any thoughts? |
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Thank you thus far for the comments. I unfortunately did not come from an upbringing with firearms so I am starting my education behind everyone else. Shooting is an art IMHO and it takes a lot of education to be good at it. But it is a hobby I enjoy and want to become good at. :)
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Title should be "Optimal Long Range .223 Bullet"
With your rate of twist, you're good to go for anything mag-fed. The 68gr Hornady BTHP load from Black Hills is an excellent load. I just shot a 2" group with it through a Krieger barreled AR15 at 600yds on steel at night. Sounds like BS, but it's true. 69gr SMK is also nice from a 20". 69gr Lapua Scenar 75gr Hornady BTHP 77gr SMK 77gr Lapua Scenar and Scenar-L Do you just have a barrel, or do you have the gun together already? Optics and mount? Trigger? |
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The parts I have are:
Seekins billet lower Seekins irmt-3 upper 15" Seekins irmt-3 handgaurd DD LPK Youngs Lite BCG JP adjustable gas block raptor charging handle geissele SSA-E trigger larue quick connect w/ harris bipod Diamond head diamond rear tactical (waiting for auto-range front diamond head sight) PRS Stock 20" Wilson Arms BB that I have to get turned down so the Seekins barrel nut will fit over it Seekins compensator (again have to have that custom mounted to the barrel I think that is it...thoughts? I was thinking the Vortex PST 6-24x50 FFP for the glass???? Was saving the big $$$ for glass for the desert tactical recon i'm dreaming about. LOL |
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I'm sure it has been asked but i couldn't find a post to answer. I am finally going to be able to complete my long-range rifle build but I think that I might have the wrong barrel. I have a Wilson Arms 20" .223 Wylde BB w/a 1/8 twist. Now that I have been able to read and learn (i'm a novice) that a higher twist rate may be optimal for a longer-range application. I'm obviously not a sniper, but would like to invest in a long-range shooting school and would like to say within the .223 arena for now. Any thoughts? What you have is the right barrel for the job. Now get out there and shoot something. |
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Viper PSTs are great scopes. Just bought the same scope... and so far I'm lovin' it... But, if you're going to hunting in low light (I'm not), you might wanna consider their 4-16x50 or move up to one that has a 34mm body. Remember, they make two versions, reticle on either the 1st or 2nd focal plane. If you're using a separate range-finder or only shoot at known ranges, you may save a few bucks by getting the 2nd focal plane type where the reticle is not magnified as you increase magnification. |
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Just bought the same scope... and so far I'm lovin' it... But, if you're going to hunting in low light (I'm not), you might wanna consider their 4-16x50 or move up to one that has a 34mm body. Remember, they make two versions, reticle on either the 1st or 2nd focal plane. If you're using a separate range-finder or only shoot at known ranges, you may save a few bucks by getting the 2nd focal plane type where the reticle is not magnified as you increase magnification. Quoted:
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Viper PSTs are great scopes. Just bought the same scope... and so far I'm lovin' it... But, if you're going to hunting in low light (I'm not), you might wanna consider their 4-16x50 or move up to one that has a 34mm body. Remember, they make two versions, reticle on either the 1st or 2nd focal plane. If you're using a separate range-finder or only shoot at known ranges, you may save a few bucks by getting the 2nd focal plane type where the reticle is not magnified as you increase magnification. The reticle in an SFP scope is the same apparent size as the reticle in a FFP scope at max power. SFP scopes black out targets when dialed down. |
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The reticle in an SFP scope is the same apparent size as the reticle in a FFP scope at max power. SFP scopes black out targets when dialed down. Quoted:
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Viper PSTs are great scopes. Just bought the same scope... and so far I'm lovin' it... But, if you're going to hunting in low light (I'm not), you might wanna consider their 4-16x50 or move up to one that has a 34mm body. Remember, they make two versions, reticle on either the 1st or 2nd focal plane. If you're using a separate range-finder or only shoot at known ranges, you may save a few bucks by getting the 2nd focal plane type where the reticle is not magnified as you increase magnification. The reticle in an SFP scope is the same apparent size as the reticle in a FFP scope at max power. SFP scopes black out targets when dialed down. |
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The reticle in an SFP scope is the same apparent size as the reticle in a FFP scope at max power. SFP scopes black out targets when dialed down. Quoted:
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Viper PSTs are great scopes. Just bought the same scope... and so far I'm lovin' it... But, if you're going to hunting in low light (I'm not), you might wanna consider their 4-16x50 or move up to one that has a 34mm body. Remember, they make two versions, reticle on either the 1st or 2nd focal plane. If you're using a separate range-finder or only shoot at known ranges, you may save a few bucks by getting the 2nd focal plane type where the reticle is not magnified as you increase magnification. The reticle in an SFP scope is the same apparent size as the reticle in a FFP scope at max power. SFP scopes black out targets when dialed down. That depends on the scope. In this case, you may be right; but, that's not a general truth. I have SFP scopes with large unmagnified reticles. Others get so small they're basically red dots. |
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You could go with a longer barrel, but other than that you're already on the money. Even WOA uses a 1:8 twist on their High Power barrels. You can find 1:7 barrels out there, but those are for tracer rounds and not standard HPBT or FMJ projectiles. I thought 1:7 barrels were excellent to handle heavier bullets, not just, as you seem to indicate tracer. Mine handles heavier HPBT or FMJ just fine. Are you saying it shouldn't? |
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I thought 1:7 barrels were excellent to handle heavier bullets, not just, as you seem to indicate tracer. Mine handles heavier HPBT or FMJ just fine. Are you saying it shouldn't? Quoted:
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You could go with a longer barrel, but other than that you're already on the money. Even WOA uses a 1:8 twist on their High Power barrels. You can find 1:7 barrels out there, but those are for tracer rounds and not standard HPBT or FMJ projectiles. I thought 1:7 barrels were excellent to handle heavier bullets, not just, as you seem to indicate tracer. Mine handles heavier HPBT or FMJ just fine. Are you saying it shouldn't? You shoot shoot a long heavy barrel in 1:7? Or does 'handle' just mean they come out da pipe whole. |
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I thought 1:7 barrels were excellent to handle heavier bullets, not just, as you seem to indicate tracer. Mine handles heavier HPBT or FMJ just fine. Are you saying it shouldn't? Quoted:
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You could go with a longer barrel, but other than that you're already on the money. Even WOA uses a 1:8 twist on their High Power barrels. You can find 1:7 barrels out there, but those are for tracer rounds and not standard HPBT or FMJ projectiles. I thought 1:7 barrels were excellent to handle heavier bullets, not just, as you seem to indicate tracer. Mine handles heavier HPBT or FMJ just fine. Are you saying it shouldn't? They are great for heavier bullets, just not necessary for any heavy 5.56 except for the tracers. A 1:8 handles the heavier ones just as well as the 1:7 and allows use of lighter projectiles too. 1:8 is more versatile unless you NEEEED tracers, then you should get the 1:7. |
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I thought 1:7 barrels were excellent to handle heavier bullets, not just, as you seem to indicate tracer. Mine handles heavier HPBT or FMJ just fine. Are you saying it shouldn't? Quoted:
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You could go with a longer barrel, but other than that you're already on the money. Even WOA uses a 1:8 twist on their High Power barrels. You can find 1:7 barrels out there, but those are for tracer rounds and not standard HPBT or FMJ projectiles. I thought 1:7 barrels were excellent to handle heavier bullets, not just, as you seem to indicate tracer. Mine handles heavier HPBT or FMJ just fine. Are you saying it shouldn't? 1/7 was the twist NEEDED to stabilize the extremely long but not that heavy M856 tracer. It will handle all weights to at least 80 grains. |
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