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Posted: 9/3/2013 5:29:49 PM EDT
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I am putting a ProMag rear sight on my AR-15. Is there a preferred location it should be placed?
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| I find that putting it one or 2 rails forward gives me a much much better sight picture and my accuracy greatly increases because of it. When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. I just can't bring myself to leave it there because it just looks so wrong on the rifle. |
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I find that putting it one or 2 rails forward gives me a much much better sight picture and my accuracy greatly increases because of it. When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. I just can't bring myself to leave it there because it just looks so wrong on the rifle. 
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I find that putting it one or 2 rails forward gives me a much much better sight picture and my accuracy greatly increases because of it. When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. I just can't bring myself to leave it there because it just looks so wrong on the rifle.
It's petty and its retarded. I already know all of this. I run optics anyway. If it were anything but a range toy and I felt like I could gain an advantage by moving it I would. but since it is a toy there is no need. |
| When shooting with iron sights it is taught to shoot nose to charging handle which will give you a better sight picture than not getting one when using the small aperture (300m) due to the opening will enlarge when shooting nose to charging handle. Also by shooting NTCH it helps with keeping a consistent cheek weld and sight picture. As the previous post above mine mentioned, the eye has a natural ability to center an object in a circle. As it helped me, I recommend anyone that is not familiar with FM 3-22.9 to learn the material contained in this field manual. |
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Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. Quoted:
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When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. Sure. It was also designed to work with a much longer stock and your eyes further away from the sights. Think about it. What am I doing different than opening the stock 1 click wont do? |
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I find that putting it one or 2 rails forward gives me a much much better sight picture and my accuracy greatly increases because of it. When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. I just can't bring myself to leave it there because it just looks so wrong on the rifle.
Go play somewhere else. Nothing about my statement warranted a response from you. |
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Quoted: Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. Quoted: Quoted: When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. |
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Quoted: Sure. It was also designed to work with a much longer stock and your eyes further away from the sights. Think about it. What am I doing different than opening the stock 1 click wont do? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. Sure. It was also designed to work with a much longer stock and your eyes further away from the sights. Think about it. What am I doing different than opening the stock 1 click wont do? |
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If you are putting your nose on the charging handle then it doesn't matter how long the stock is your eye will be in the same position. This is an acceptable method but I don't believe you really understand how your sights work. Quoted:
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When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. Sure. It was also designed to work with a much longer stock and your eyes further away from the sights. Think about it. What am I doing different than opening the stock 1 click wont do? Maybe its my eye sight. I didn't say it works for everyone. I simply said I shoot better that way. I'm still using all the fundamentals of aiming with irons. Focusing on the the front sight. Rear sight and target slightly blurry. When i move the rear sight forward a couple notches the ears of the front sight are closer to the outside edges of the rear circle making it easier to center the sight. Its basically middle ground between the large and small aperture. The sacrifice of sight radius on a midlenth with a 12" rail is negligible . It works better for me. I'd much prefer a smaller rear aperture but not as small as the smaller one but I work with what I have. If some people would actually try things for them selves and go out and test it instead of coming into people threads making stupid faces they might find it works better for them as well. Everyones eyes and body are different and the same thing doesn't always work best for everyone. |
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Maybe its my eye sight. I didn't say it works for everyone. I simply said I shoot better that way. I'm still using all the fundamentals of aiming with irons. Focusing on the the front sight. Rear sight and target slightly blurry. When i move the rear sight forward a couple notches the ears of the front sight are closer to the outside edges of the rear circle making it easier to center the sight. Its basically middle ground between the large and small aperture. The sacrifice of sight radius on a midlenth with a 12" rail is negligible . It works better for me. I'd much prefer a smaller rear aperture but not as small as the smaller one but I work with what I have. If some people would actually try things for them selves and go out and test it instead of coming into people threads making stupid faces they might find it works better for them as well. Everyones eyes and body are different and the same thing doesn't always work best for everyone. Quoted:
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When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. Sure. It was also designed to work with a much longer stock and your eyes further away from the sights. Think about it. What am I doing different than opening the stock 1 click wont do? Maybe its my eye sight. I didn't say it works for everyone. I simply said I shoot better that way. I'm still using all the fundamentals of aiming with irons. Focusing on the the front sight. Rear sight and target slightly blurry. When i move the rear sight forward a couple notches the ears of the front sight are closer to the outside edges of the rear circle making it easier to center the sight. Its basically middle ground between the large and small aperture. The sacrifice of sight radius on a midlenth with a 12" rail is negligible . It works better for me. I'd much prefer a smaller rear aperture but not as small as the smaller one but I work with what I have. If some people would actually try things for them selves and go out and test it instead of coming into people threads making stupid faces they might find it works better for them as well. Everyones eyes and body are different and the same thing doesn't always work best for everyone. Maybe it does work better for you, I don't know. But to me the way you are doing it seems to negate the advantages of an aperture sight. The way you are describing how you are using it, with the target and rear sight blurry, is not really how an aperture sight is used. By getting your eye very close to the aperture and looking through it, your eye basically becomes the rear sight. As was mentioned above, you eye will naturally center the front post in your vision, so you only have to line up two items (the target and the front sight) instead of three (target, front sight and rear sight), as is how you are using it. To use a rear aperture properly, it should almost be completely ignored, and your focus set on the front sight, with the target blurry (since your eye can only focus on one plane at a time). With just a little practice, an aperture sight can be a very fast and accurate sighting system. |
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We are on the same page as far as aiming technique. Maybe i'm not being as articulate as I should. Out to 50 yards the rear sight all the way back works great for me. It's at 100 yds that the difference becomes noticeable. Maybe I should invent a sight with 3 different sized apertures. That would be ideal to me without have to sacrifice any sight radius at all no matter how small. I'm all about experimentation for innovation. If every one were as closed minded as some of the people on this forum we wouldn't even have all these nifty gadgets to play with in the first place. So many people just follow along with what they are told instead of thinking and doing for themselves.
If the larger aperture was ideal in size at all distances there would be no need for the small aperture. Moving the rear forward should in theory work better for everyone between 100 and 300 yards. |
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Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. Quoted:
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When I shoot nose to charging handle I can barely make out the circle of the rear aperture. Isn't that how AR sights are supposed to work? The ring is out of focus, but the eye will still automatically center the front sight. Well you are partly correct, but not exactly. the front sight will not center its self, you have to center it, but the front sight post needs to be clear, rear sight aperature needs to be fuzzy and target needs to be fuzzy. Your eye can only focus on 1 thing at a time. And per proper sight picture it should look as described above. |
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