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Posted: 8/4/2012 5:55:08 PM EDT
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I am starting my first build and got the Palmetto State Armory Classic ACT LPK. It was a great deal seeing the trigger group is $65 alone.
Now my questions, should I have gotten a mil spec trigger group? and if this is better how much? Thanks |
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I am starting my first build and got the Palmetto State Armory Classic ACT LPK. It was a great deal seeing the trigger group is $65 alone. Now my questions, should I have gotten a mil spec trigger group? and if this is better how much? Thanks I have one of those PSA enhanced LPKs en route as well. I expect it to be cleaner than stock but not much lighter until I add JP springs. At those enhanced LPK prices, why go for a garden-variety LPK ? |
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I put a ACT trigger in my latest build. I really like it. The problem is people think this is a cheap two stage trigger. It's not. This is a product that fills a niche between the standard Mil spec trigger and the two stage ones.
First it is a single stage trigger. Next if you took a standard single stage trigger and cleaned up the hammer and sear surfaces you would have ALG's QMS trigger. Next if you took this and put a Hard lube on all the surfaces you have the ALG ACT. It's a clean single stage trigger. Follow the install instructions. Put a light oil like CLP on the pins and then after it's installed, put a light grease on the hammer to trigger surfaces. You should be good to go! |
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Not worth it IMO. I bought one to give it a try and it is barely noticeable difference from the stock DPMS trigger I had. It is almost worse because the creep isn't consistent. Sometimes I get a little bit a of creep and other times there isn't. I have no idea why, tried different pins, uninstall and reinstall, same results.
Your best bang for the buck is the JP springs sets. Buy the reliable set (with red hammer spring) and you'll get a much better pull weight. All yellow springs may lead to light primer strikes unless you use a speed hammer. Save your money for a nice single stage like a JP or a two-stage Geissele. |
| ALG makes two triggers. One is called "Quality Mil Spec" and is effectively a trigger and hammer that are smoothed out in manufacturing (not polished afterward). It has one stage, and is supposed to be simply a nicer mil-spec trigger. Their other trigger is called The "ALG Combat Trigger," and is both smoothed and coated, and has what appear to be more "precise" sear engagement surfaces for what is called a "crisper" pull. It is also basically a GI single stage trigger that has been enhanced in manufacturing. Considering the prices for these two sets ($45 for the QMS and $65 for the ACT), it seems to be a great deal. You start out with a trigger that is not gritty or rough, and that should feel much better for the life of the parts. These triggers are not Gisselle two stage sets, they are not significantly lightened, and they are not somehow magical. They are robust, and should simply be smooth and reliable. I will get one for my next basic build - though I'm planning for a SSA soon for one of my current rifles. |
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Quoted: I am starting my first build and got the Palmetto State Armory Classic ACT LPK. It was a great deal seeing the trigger group is $65 alone. Now my questions, should I have gotten a mil spec trigger group? and if this is better how much? Thanks All you have really done is add a polished and coated "enhanced" trigger to your build. I see nothing wrong with doing that. Is it worth the extra cost? That depends on your expectations. The ALG is not a two-stage target or match trigger. It also isn't advertised to be one and certainly isn't priced like one either. I have one and I'm not disappointed with the performance for the modest cost. |
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I have the ALG 'Quality Mil Spec' trigger in my rifle and there is a definite difference between it and my (well broken-in) standard trigger.
The break is much cleaner (not mushy felling, like the stock trigger) and the travel is virtually grit free. For $45 dollars, it is a great upgrade if you want/need/can only have a mil spec trigger. |
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Thanks for all the comments and info. Seeing that the kit with trigger group was $70 I believe it was worth it. I think you made a wise choice. That's the thing with these triggers....a lot of people think they are something they are not, and then are disappointed when they "upgrade" from their stock trigger (especially if they have a reasonably good stock one). But buying one of these as part of an LPK, or if you don't have an existing trigger is a great move because you are really eliminating the chance you will get a bum trigger. That is what the ALG triggers are to me - just more consistent and cleaner triggers right out of the box. If you don't have a trigger, well worth paying the extra few bucks on vs a "luck of the draw" stock one. |
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Thanks for all the comments and info. Seeing that the kit with trigger group was $70 I believe it was worth it. I think you made a wise choice. That's the thing with these triggers....a lot of people think they are something they are not, and then are disappointed when they "upgrade" from their stock trigger (especially if they have a reasonably good stock one). But buying one of these as part of an LPK, or if you don't have an existing trigger is a great move because you are really eliminating the chance you will get a bum trigger. That is what the ALG triggers are to me - just more consistent and cleaner triggers right out of the box. If you don't have a trigger, well worth paying the extra few bucks on vs a "luck of the draw" stock one. Very well stated. Anyone "disappointed" with these triggers didn't understand their purpose. |
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Thanks for all the comments and info. Seeing that the kit with trigger group was $70 I believe it was worth it. I think you made a wise choice. That's the thing with these triggers....a lot of people think they are something they are not, and then are disappointed when they "upgrade" from their stock trigger (especially if they have a reasonably good stock one). But buying one of these as part of an LPK, or if you don't have an existing trigger is a great move because you are really eliminating the chance you will get a bum trigger. That is what the ALG triggers are to me - just more consistent and cleaner triggers right out of the box. If you don't have a trigger, well worth paying the extra few bucks on vs a "luck of the draw" stock one. Very well stated. Anyone "disappointed" with these triggers didn't understand their purpose. I understand their purpose. It supposed to be better than mil-spec. It isn't. Apparently ALG didn't see a problem with my comments and asked me to call them and I have. My trigger is not consistent, sometimes I have creep and sometimes I do not. The trigger was installed to their specs too. I even tried other pins with same results. |
| i was going to get one my first build until my LPK came in and Rock River gave me an excellent fcg, no creep, travel or grit and my main reason for wanting an upgrade was from all the horror stories people had about the triggers from thier LPK's but most of them used cheap kits and i wont lol its rock river or better for me and why pay that much for something you dont really need. if you want an upgrade i would suggest something better than that. but if you do get a crap trigger in your LPK then by all means lol |
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I have a bunch of the Spike's NiB Battle Triggers that I like pretty well, but I just bought two PSA LPKs with the ACT triggers in them. I'm looking forward to getting them installed to see how they run. I would love to hear how these two triggers compare when you try them out. |
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With less grit and a good coating to reduce friction (particularly pin friction), ALG's triggers cannot suck nearly as bad as a plain old stock trigger. And that's the point - a major part of stock trigger issues is that they feel like they are made with sand and rocks. You can make a standard stock trigger feel a lot better just by cleaning the disconnector slot and the trigger pin holes (in the disconnector as well), and of course the hammer pin hole too, but the traditional stock trigger is designed to last for hundreds of thousands of rounds, and takes around 1,000 to 1,500 rounds to "break in" and really feel smooth enough for careful trigger control. What ALG does sounds like stepping right to that smoother level.
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It's just a stock trigger that's guaranteed not to suck nearly as bad. Wrong, all stock triggers suck. I would rather have a stock-type trigger for rough and tumble mobility than some lightened, "precision" trigger, and that's the market ALG is looking at. The Quality Mil-Spec trigger is just the standard, basic parts all cleaned up (in production), while the ALG Combat Trigger is cleaned up and coated for a smoother finish overall. For not much more than a stock DPMS set, you can get a "smooth from the start" trigger, and for a little more you can get a "really smooth and crisp from the start" trigger. Sounds like a good choice to me. |
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