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5/22/2012 1:46:15 PM EDT
Hi all,

I seem to have screwed the goat with an 80% receiver I'm working on. The hammer and trigger holes are not quite in the right place, and the disconnector won't release the hammer. Any ideas of how I might be able to fix this, and not have to scrap the lower?

Thanks
5/22/2012 1:51:34 PM EDT
[#1]
How far off?
5/22/2012 2:14:29 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm not exactly sure. They can't be too far off because I was using a jig when I drilled them, and I had done some some other lowers with the same one without issue. When you put the hammer in, you can see it pushing on the trigger.
5/22/2012 2:20:14 PM EDT
[#3]
why cant the holes be welded up and redrilled?
5/22/2012 2:21:37 PM EDT
[#4]
JB Weld Time?
5/22/2012 2:28:02 PM EDT
[#5]
It may come down to welding and re-drilling. I'm trying to see if there's anything else I might be able to try before I resort to that.
5/22/2012 2:28:43 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
why cant the holes be welded up and redrilled?


that'd be my vote or order new one start again or mod fcg
5/22/2012 4:34:53 PM EDT
[#7]
The hammer is supposed to push the trigger down toward the fired/pulled postion as you install it because is in the upright postion.
Make sure you have all the springs installed correctly first.
5/22/2012 4:42:09 PM EDT
[#8]
check the depth of your fire control group  pocket. If the trigger does not have enough room to move
the disconnector will not release.
5/22/2012 5:55:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Don't scrap the lower yet.  The spacing between the trigger and hammer pin holes is somewhat tolerant to spacing problems.  Try another disconnector or file a small amount off the front of the disco hook until the timing is correct.  If too much is removed the hammer may miss the sear notch when the trigger resets after a bolt carrier cycle and may travel all the way forward to the firing pin when coming off the disconnector.  If this happens you may be screwed.
5/22/2012 6:54:07 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
JB Weld Time?


I just threw up a little in my mouth....
5/22/2012 7:34:30 PM EDT
[#11]
find a good tig welder and have him weld up the holes and start over.pay him for his time and bring him some beer, so when you do it again he'll hook you up the next welding session.
5/22/2012 9:44:21 PM EDT
[#12]



Quoted:


why cant the holes be welded up and redrilled?


Because the weld will be harder than the surrounding metal and the drill tends to wander off-center.  IMO the best bet is to center-up on the proper hole location and drill the holes over-size for bushings which will allow the use of standard FCG pins.



 
5/23/2012 3:02:54 AM EDT
[#13]
Double check your locations, redrill them bigger and use the older Colt FCG with large pins?
5/23/2012 3:21:42 AM EDT
[#14]
the receiver is what it is, there's no going back.
double check your dimensions as previously stated, especially the depth of the pocket behind the trigger
it sounds like the trigger isn't going forward enough (the tail of trigger isn't going down enough at the rear, which moves the disconnect away from the hammer)
try different FCG components (yeah they should all be the same, but they're not)
modify the fcg parts to fit,(NOT as in NEVER grinding on the engagenment surfaces, use common sense) or use a self contained drop in FCG assembly.
sometimes called a cassette, or a module, its a one piece FCG that drops in and just uses the pins to hold it in.
Timney's are one such.
welding on 7075 can be done, and its easy to clean up ,but in the end you're going to use the same jig and drill the holes in the same place.
5/23/2012 8:08:22 AM EDT
[#15]
OK,

The FCG pocket is actually a little deeper than specs. I have tried several FCGs and all get the same thing. I had been working on modifying the hammer, but what I am afraid of is that by the time I get enough removed for it to work, I'm not going to have enough of it left. To be clear,  I've been removing material from the round portion of the hammer on the bottom.
5/23/2012 9:41:42 AM EDT
[#16]
Drill the holes to .240"ish, Ream to 0.2495, press in a plug, redrill.

Voila!

Also, drill the holes before you cut the FCG pocket.
Quoted:

Quoted:
why cant the holes be welded up and redrilled?

Because the weld will be harder than the surrounding metal and the drill tends to wander off-center.  IMO the best bet is to center-up on the proper hole location and drill the holes over-size for bushings which will allow the use of standard FCG pins.
 

That should not be an issue with proper drilling technique, use of a good spotting or center drill will reduce you headaches ten fold and they are maybe $6.

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5/23/2012 3:12:37 PM EDT
[#17]
random thought, is the slot for your trigger big enough?
is it allowing full free movement?
5/23/2012 7:56:38 PM EDT
[#18]
actually it is oversize as well
5/23/2012 8:37:54 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
find a good tig welder and have him weld up the holes and start over.pay him for his time and bring him some beer, so when you do it again he'll hook you up the next welding session.


Good welder or otherwise, the 7075 alloy is not considered to be weldable.  A weld my look OK but will have little strength.
5/24/2012 5:55:01 PM EDT
[#20]
You say you have built other lowers using the jig that drilled this lower and the other lowers worked fine. Have you compared the trigger hole to hammer hole spacing between the suspect lower and one of the lowers that works?  Any difference? Have you put the lower back into the jig and checked for misalignment?
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