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Posted: 8/9/2010 7:54:45 AM EDT
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What is the best/safest way to install my barrel? Do I need one of the polymer receiver blocks like the Block Worx or should I look for an aluminum barrel block set?
I saw a video somewhere where someone just used 2 polymer square pieces clamped in a vise. It contacted the upper at the rails and the underside of the upper receiver. I do not want to ruin my upper trying to save a few bucks, but I also don't want to spend any more than necessary. I plan on using a ff handguard and I thought the barrel clamp set might interfere at this point, or am I looking at this wrong? All advice appreciated. |
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I use a DPMS panther claw. other people prefer the plastic clamshell ones that go around the outside the receiver. I don't see why you would need an aluminum one I'm not sure how the action block would interfere with a free float tube The aluminum set clamps around the barrel, not the receiver |
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The aluminum barrel "V" blocks are for installing flash hiders.
Use a Panther claw type jig or the clamshell type receiver block for installing the barrel. With the barrel blocks, the receiver can rotate and the indexing pin on the barrel can torque out the notch in the reciever, messing up the barrel alignment. In extreme cases the receiver can crack. I use all 3 types for different applications. I prefer the clamshell type for barrel installation. With the Panther claw type, you are transferring a lot of the torque to the receiver pin holes, and have the possibility if twisting or cracking the receiver. Especially if you are at the max side of the torque limits. If you have a torque wrench at 80 pounds, there is an extra couple of inches of moment arm from the barrel nut to the receiver pin holes that will make the torque at the pin holes even greater. I have also, in extremis, used the two wood blocks with a flat top receiver. I didn't feel comfortable the whole time, and kept expecting it to crack. I have seen pics on this site of someone using that method and crushiing the bottom edge of the receiver. The proper block is inexpensive insurance. |
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I use a DPMS panther claw. other people prefer the plastic clamshell ones that go around the outside the receiver. I don't see why you would need an aluminum one I'm not sure how the action block would interfere with a free float tube I have a clamshell and a panther claw. I prefer the panther claw because its more versatile and it doesn't get in the way. |
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The aluminum barrel "V" blocks are for installing flash hiders. Use a Panther claw type jig or the clamshell type receiver block for installing the barrel. With the barrel blocks, the receiver can rotate and the indexing pin on the barrel can torque out the notch in the reciever, messing up the barrel alignment. In extreme cases the receiver can crack. I use all 3 types for different applications. I prefer the clamshell type for barrel installation. With the Panther claw type, you are transferring a lot of the torque to the receiver pin holes, and have the possibility if twisting or cracking the receiver. Especially if you are at the max side of the torque limits. If you have a torque wrench at 80 pounds, there is an extra couple of inches of moment arm from the barrel nut to the receiver pin holes that will make the torque at the pin holes even greater. I have also, in extremis, used the two wood blocks with a flat top receiver. I didn't feel comfortable the whole time, and kept expecting it to crack. I have seen pics on this site of someone using that method and crushiing the bottom edge of the receiver. The proper block is inexpensive insurance. Are you talking about these? http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=12470/Product/AR_15_M16_BARREL_VISE_JAWS .If so your wrong.This is what we use to install all our barrels and I've never seen a receiver crack from using these.I've also never seen a barrel nut have to be torqued anywhere near 80. |
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Also for installing (and more important sometimes) removing barrels. The key with aluminum barrel vise blocks is that they CANNOT hurt the receiver, so you can put all the force you want on that breaker bar when "convincing" a barrel nut to let go.
The aluminum barrel "V" blocks are for installing flash hiders. I use a Panther Claw myself, but after a couple of scary issues removing a very stubborn barrel, I got the vise blocks for just about all barrel-related work. |
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I know.
I've read the mil manuals and used the V blocks to install barrels myself. But that is older technology, at the beginning of the AR series. There have been improvements since then And there have been several threads on this site over the past few years showing damaged receivers that spin with the barrel nut when being torqued. I didn't think there would be any stress on the receiver since it was floating in air with the V blocks. But the receiver can spin when torquing the barrel nut. And an aluminum receiver loses against a steel indexing pin and barrel nut. When this was pointed out to me by some of the experienced members on this site that I very much respect, Slash for instance, I switched to the "modern" way of barrel installations. The OP asked for the "best way" not the .mil way. And for the record, I have had several receivers that I had to repeat the tighten and loosen sequence more than the minimum three times to get the gas tube to line up at or under 80 ftlbs. YMMV. ETA: From an Aug 2008 Thread Originally posted by Slash Barrel blocks are only appropriate for doing work on muzzle devices, never for re-barreling. The correct tool for the job is a good set of receiver blocks, available from ArmaLite: Barrel blocks put rotational stress on the alignment pin and the slot in the receiver, which were not designed to be exposed to this type of force. I've seen receivers destroyed by WECSOGers using the wrong tool for the job. Originally posted by 13-F-COLT what i have seen happen many, many, times are uppers with cracked index pin slots, some were unsalvageable, because barrel blocks were used and the upper took the rotational stress from torquing. something it was not designed to do. the "which vise blocks to use" issue has been beat to death so many times. regardless of whats in a manual, it has been proven that it is better to clamp the upper. Originally posted by TaylorWSO Vice blocks are the best, the barrel will hang on the upper receiver when you remove the barrel blocks, so I don't see the concern of it hanging it on their when using receiver blocks. The DoD has many stupid ass regs/guidance that I would never put my personal stuff through. That TM/TO also recommends using a pry bar to hold the FSB if the barrel twists in the barrel block. There will be torque from the nut, it can either be: 1. On the threads, through the receiver, to the receiver blocks, OR 2. On the threads, to the index pin, through the barrel to the barrel blocks. This route will have all force concentrated on a small pin pressing against the aluminum receiver. Bad news IMO. Originally posted by Slash The .mil is not known for always providing the best tools (or training) for the job. This issue is quite simple if you think about it. When tightening a nut and bolt you use two wrenches, right? One on the nut and another on the bolt. If you try to tighten a nut without a wrench on the bolt head what happens? The bolt turns. If you don't use a receiver block, all of the torque you put on the barrel nut is transmitted to the alignment notch via the indexing pin. With the proper receiver blocks (as shown in my photos above) there is ZERO torque on the pivot/takedown lugs. The pin-style blocks are useless for anything but cleaning/maintenance IMO. There is less stress on the barrel-receiver interface with a new barrel hanging off it in a receiver block than there is when a fully assembled rifle is fired from a bipod. I'll wager that a VFG multiplies that stress several times. Do you think that ArmaLite would manufacture and sell receiver block if assembling an upper with them was really a hazard? Again, I have personally seen receivers damaged by people who used barrel blocks and 'field expedient' receiver blocks, AKA chunks of wood. I've never seen or even heard of a receiver that was 'elongated' with properly designed receiver blocks. Good tools can be expensive, but the right tool for the job is priceless. |
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I just use 2 pieces of polycarbonate that I cut from a cutting board form wally world....held up for 2 AR builds and doesn't hurt the wallet This will generally works very well. When I wouldn't use this method is during barrel removal. Some barrel nuts are put on too tight, or there could be some other reason it sticks, and then you may end up cracking the receiver if you have to use a cheater bar. |
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