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10/10/2009 11:02:37 PM EDT
This is just a conversation meant for education.

I understand most of the NFA laws about a DIAS / LL, and what they encompasses for full auto consideration. (The DIAS / LL "component" is the actual machine gun)

My question is in regards to the enabling of the double/triple shot.

Ok, so I'm probably not using the correct verbage, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

Do NFA rules apply to the "addition of" parts/components that allow for the capability to perform this function? It's not adding full auto, but do the NFA rulings consider that (as far as rules/prosecution) the same as a full auto DIAS / LL?  
10/10/2009 11:09:44 PM EDT
[#1]
More than one round fired with a single pull of the trigger = machine gun
10/11/2009 12:33:12 AM EDT
[#2]
doesnt tx law state that its more than two shots with one pull of the trigger? Always wondered if there was a way to do it cheaper than buying a rdias or rll.
10/11/2009 2:44:58 AM EDT
[#3]
Atf Rul 2006-2





The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has been asked by

several members of the firearms industry to classify devices that are exclusively designed

to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm. These devices, when attached to a

firearm, result in the firearm discharging more than one shot with a single function of the

trigger. ATF has been asked whether these devices fall within the definition of

machinegun under the National Firearms Act (NFA) and Gun Control Act of 1968

(GCA). As explained herein, these devices, once activated by a single pull of the trigger,

initiate an automatic firing cycle which continues until either the finger is released or the

ammunition supply is exhausted. Accordingly, these devices are properly classified as a

part “designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and

intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun” and therefore machineguns

under the NFA and GCA.




10/11/2009 7:47:30 AM EDT
[#4]
texas law does state that more than two shots fired would make it a machine gun. i was thinking about getting a three burst setup and remove a tooth from each side of the burst disconect. then i noticed federal law defines machine gun as more than one shot fired with single pull of trigger and since id rather be free than a rat in a cage i stopped. allthough the second amendment gives us right to bear arms not right to bare arms unless its a machine gun.
10/11/2009 7:51:09 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
texas law does state that more than two shots fired would make it a machine gun. i was thinking about getting a three burst setup and remove a tooth from each side of the burst disconect. then i noticed federal law defines machine gun as more than one shot fired with single pull of trigger and since id rather be free than a rat in a cage i stopped. allthough the second amendment gives us right to bear arms not right to bare arms unless its a machine gun.


You will still go to a pound me in the ass prison regardless of what the second amendment says. Unfortunately.
10/11/2009 9:15:57 AM EDT
[#6]
I had an old Stevens SxS that would fire both barrels when you pulled the rear trigger, wouldn't that be more than one shot per trigger pull?

Stevens SxS = Machine gun??
10/11/2009 9:26:59 AM EDT
[#7]
In one letter, the BATF has said "one shot per single function of the trigger" .






This makes me thing that a reactive trigger (paintball term) firing one shot on pull, and one on release would be legal.  Just devising one that works in an AR would be a pain.









 
10/11/2009 10:16:16 AM EDT
[#8]
From the National Firearms Act of 1934
Definition:
(b) Machinegun. –– The term "machinegun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/nfa.htm
10/11/2009 9:25:22 PM EDT
[#9]
Ok, so the action of any rearward trigger action that releases more than 1 round without further interaction beyond that 1 rearward trigger action is designated as "machine gun."  So, if you could design a trigger system to initiate the release of a round on both the rearward trigger pull, and the forward trigger system reset, that would not constitute a "machine gun", correct?

10/11/2009 9:45:13 PM EDT
[#10]
I hear Kansas is beautiful this time of year.
10/11/2009 10:19:26 PM EDT
[#11]
i am thinking one trigger function means pull and release. So having it discharge a second round on release would be a no-no.
10/12/2009 9:41:55 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
texas law does state that more than two shots fired would make it a machine gun. i was thinking about getting a three burst setup and remove a tooth from each side of the burst disconect. then i noticed federal law defines machine gun as more than one shot fired with single pull of trigger and since id rather be free than a rat in a cage i stopped. allthough the second amendment gives us right to bear arms not right to bare arms unless its a machine gun.

where does it say that?

edit:  nevermind i found it.
Sec. 46.01. item 9 of the penal code

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