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Posted: 7/14/2009 10:08:32 AM EDT
| What match trigger would you guys recomend for a varmint syle AR? |
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After reading tons of reviews, I went with a Geissele DMR. Spendy, but it is incredible.
This thread has a lot of good info |
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Without a spring change? That's hard to imagine.
No it isn't. Close your eyes and click your heels together while saying " I don't need to keep spending money needlessly". I have a home made trigger jig in which I can mount the entire trigger/hammer assembly. It is esentially an aluminum box with one side made of lexan. I made it a few years ago to allow me to see what was going on inside and is easier than moving everything in and out of the lower. I check the before and afters from the jig with a digital force gage, then I check the afters with everything mounted in the assembled action. I have never had a problem getting a military trigger down to 4.5#, and the RRA trigger started there. -Mike |
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Quoted: I was not questioning your integrity and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I don't believe that spending $8 for a set of springs is needless or a major set back on a custom trigger. Most custom triggers will come with an upgraded or modified spring set. I too have an outside the receiver trigger jig (Brownell's).Without a spring change? That's hard to imagine. No it isn't. Close your eyes and click your heels together while saying " I don't need to keep spending money needlessly". I have a home made trigger jig in which I can mount the entire trigger/hammer assembly. It is esentially an aluminum box with one side made of lexan. I made it a few years ago to allow me to see what was going on inside and is easier than moving everything in and out of the lower. I check the before and afters from the jig with a digital force gage, then I check the afters with everything mounted in the assembled action. I have never had a problem getting a military trigger down to 4.5#, and the RRA trigger started there. -Mike http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=19958/Product/AR_15_HAMMER_TRIGGER_JIG_WITH_DRY_FIRE_BLOCK I'm fairly new to doing my own custom triggers on AR's but I have done dozens in a relatively short period of time. My experience has been that it takes significantly more than a couple of swipes with a stone to take a trigger down a full 2 lbs. in pull weight, particularly when a trigger has a reasonable pull weight to begin with. A set of reduced power springs can do this easily, but only to a point. Of course this can also be accomplished by stoning if one changes the sear angle to a neutral or negative position (no one wants negative from a safety stand point). You can also under cut the sear to reduce contact area, this too can be potentially dangerous and as parts wear will reduce long term reliability. I've done several RRA two stage triggers. Without exception they have started with a pull weight of about 5 lbs. A simple polishing of the surfaces has not resulted in a 2 lb. drop. I use one of RCBS's trigger pull weight gauges. It is only accurate to 2 oz. increments (I could probably benefit from a more expensive digital gauge). I measure all of the triggers I work on both before and after, making sure the surfaces are properly lubed before I take my initial measurement. Getting a military trigger to 4.5 lbs. is not difficult. I just haven't experienced the end result as simply as you are seeing. I believe there are others who had had similar experiences. |
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I was not questioning your integrity and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I don't believe that spending $8 for a set of springs is needless or a major set back on a custom trigger. Most custom triggers will come with an upgraded or modified spring set. I too have an outside the receiver trigger jig (Brownell's).
Gearhead, I didn't mean to come across as being offended either, just having some fun with it. I'll have to look at the Brownell's jig when I get home tonight. Work computers won't allow me to view any site in the catagory of "weapons" yet AR15 works great. Go Figure. I have been in tool & die all of my life, (working on my own guns of course) and have a full machine shop at home now. I spend a lot of time making stuff that anybody smart would just buy. Too many times in various forums I read how things "can't" be done this way or that and am amazed at how that sort of thinking is promulgated throughout the minds of the community. Sometimes you run across someone that has either lying, just got lucky, or figured out different ways of doing things. I see a lot of writers getting called out for their comments on this site, probably stiffling a lot of creativity. Gald to hear that your having success with your triggers. So many people are afraid of them that they look for out of the box solutions. I can't even fathom a 4oz trigger pull on an AR. Sounds deadly in a bad way. -Mike |
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Mike, I'm one of those guys that has tried the out of the box after market solutions several times and at a rather high cost. In fact, I've probably purchased most of the good custom after market trigger brands at one time or another. I started doing trigger upgrades between 15 and 20 years back on 10/22's, .45's, AK's and SKS's. Anyone who owns either of the ComBlock rifles I mentioned knows they are anything but a good trigger as received from the factory. At the time I began playing with these there weren't many custom triggers being made for these particular rifles. It was more of a do it yourself or live with a bad trigger. There are a number of places that sell upgrades for these now. All this said, I still purchased quality after market triggers for my better rifles. I still own these rifles with the after market triggers and most of them are great though relatively expensive. About a year ago I finally decided to purchase the AG Video on AR Trigger Jobs. It was so similar to the their videos I owned on AK's and SKS's it's funny. The biggest difference was the recording media, my old videos were VHS and the new one came on DVD. After considering the similarities, I thought to myself, what the heck am I doing paying for AR triggers? I decided to try my hand with AR's, after all I had already experienced what I considered very good success with the rifles I mentioned. I've done a good number of these since that time for both myself and a good number of friends. I've yet to be disappointed and my friends are amazed at how well these come out using "factory" triggers. A couple of the triggers I've done started out to be truly horrible (rough with a pull weight over 9 lbs). I've related one of those experiences in a different thread where the hammer and disconnecter were out of spec parts. As bad as these triggers were they were salvageable. I'm in agreement with you, this isn't magic. You don't have to spend a ton to have a better trigger. I would tell those that are considering trying this for themselves to look in to it further. You'll likely be glad you did. If you still find this kind of stuff intimidating call Bill Springfield. You don't see complaints with his work, there is a reason for this. He'll give you a great trigger for much less than many of the big name brands. Just my 2 cents. |
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+1 I have two Timneys in my AR's and one of Bill Springfield's trigger jobs in another and if i were to do it again i wouldnt spend the extra money on the Timneys.
ETA: I have Bill's 3lb trigger job with the speed hammer mod Quoted:
You may want to look at triggerwork.net. Bill does a nice job. I'm happy with mine! Brewster |
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