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6/10/2007 11:11:29 AM EDT
Hello all, I have a problem. I just built an 18" barreled SPR Whit Oak Armament with a 1/ 7 twist. I attempted to zero the rifle using 55 grn BTHP Federal first because its free and second I just wanted to get a quick zero on paper. So after boresighting with a zero point (Leupold) I took my stick to the range and It shoty approx 7 -9inches high. The problem is I have no more adjustment on my Leupold MR/T 3x9 scope. I have no idea how to correct for this.

Heres an overview of my set up: 18" WOA SPR 1/7 twist barrel w/ vltor flash hider

Bushmaster upper & lower with Larue 13.2 handrail free float. Larue SPR mount 1.5 for the optics using the Leupold MR/T scope. Everything properly tourqued to spec. So what is the problem, and if it helps the Iron sights shoot high as well like 2 1/2 ft high. But the gun groups tight approx 1inch just high.
HELP ME PLEASE.

6/10/2007 11:14:20 AM EDT
[#1]
you can see a pic of my build on page 8 5th post down on the optics forum if this helps your analysis.  thanks again
6/10/2007 11:25:16 AM EDT
[#2]

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you can see a pic of my build on page 8 5th post down on the optics forum if this helps your analysis.  thanks again


I didn't see any pictures in that post titled "Optics please".

Are you by chance bridging from the upper receiver to the upper rail on the Handguard?  I did this once, and ran out of adjustment on my scope.  I then moved everything to the upper only and, viola, everything was right with the world again and my scope was back to just 4 clicks away from mechanical zero.
6/10/2007 11:28:56 AM EDT
[#3]
No Im completely on the receiver with a LaRue Mount.  My pic is under build it yourself forum too "pics of your builds" page 56 I believe snpr9696
6/10/2007 11:31:28 AM EDT
[#4]
Its the spr with the tan Magpul prs stock photo taken on an angle
6/10/2007 11:33:26 AM EDT
[#5]


Heres the pic
6/10/2007 11:40:30 AM EDT
[#6]
Only thing I can see is that the Objective bell appears to be right up against the ring which could keep the front ring from seating properly.  Otherwise shimming is the option.
6/10/2007 11:48:06 AM EDT
[#7]
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Only thing I can see is that the Objective bell appears to be right up against the ring which could keep the front ring from seating properly.  Otherwise shimming is the option.


I agree, can't you move the mount to the rear 1 notch and readjust the scope for correct eye relief?

6/10/2007 12:23:57 PM EDT
[#8]
there is approx 1/4 inch room or so between the ring and obj bell.
6/10/2007 12:26:30 PM EDT
[#9]
Besides that still wouldn't be causing the problem of no adjustment in the erector tube
6/10/2007 2:47:55 PM EDT
[#10]
Did you try removing the flash hider?
If the irons and scope are off by that far I would try it and see what happens.
6/10/2007 2:54:10 PM EDT
[#11]

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Besides that still wouldn't be causing the problem of no adjustment in the erector tube


It could if it was torqueing the tube and not letting the scope sit naturally in the rings.  But, if you have clearance then that is not the problem
6/10/2007 2:57:05 PM EDT
[#12]

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Besides that still wouldn't be causing the problem of no adjustment in the erector tube


It could if it was torqueing the tube and not letting the scope sit naturally in the rings.  But, if you have clearance then that is not the problem.  Possibly barrel extension to receiver fit, or barrel nut torque.  Just more food for thought.
6/10/2007 3:52:35 PM EDT
[#13]
My ring are tourqued at 15 inch pounds and my receiver to barrel nut is at 40 lbs of tourque.  I have not tried the flash hider removel yet but that was just cranked a little past hand tightened with loc-tite.

 Is there any reason why the scope was shipped to me with no room for upward movement/compensation?

 Most Mark 4s that do not employ a BDC option usually arrive some where close to center as far as MOA clicks are concerned, am I correct?

 Im baffeld but I do not want to use a shim due to the mount being a throw lever.  Could the problem be that there is no MOA built into the mount?

I know there are lots of questions but im pretty good around guns and I can't figure it out.  Its seems to me the problem is in the scope bottomed out.
6/10/2007 4:12:41 PM EDT
[#14]
anyone
6/10/2007 4:32:24 PM EDT
[#15]
maybe the barrel face on the upper needs to be machine normal to the threads.

What are the chances of the bottom of the lower sticking out more than the upper causing the barrel to tilt up.
6/10/2007 4:42:24 PM EDT
[#16]
The problem isn't anything to do with MOA being built into the mount.

Are you absolutely sure that the mount is seated correctly to the receiver? Any misalignment there will throw things way out.

If you have another scope you know is good try it if the mount is correct. If it won't work then the mount may be the problem. If it works you may have a bad scope. Yeah I know it's a Luepold but bad product can slip thru anyones QC.
6/10/2007 4:46:47 PM EDT
[#17]

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maybe the barrel face on the upper needs to be machine normal to the threads.

What are the chances of the bottom of the lower sticking out more than the upper causing the barrel to tilt up.


If it came from WOA and isn't second hand I very highly doubt John let a bad barrel face slip by.

On the second one I would say slim to none.
6/10/2007 6:05:19 PM EDT
[#18]
The mount is on correctly?  The rings properly tourqued and the barrel face sits perfectly flush and snug around the upper receiver.

Could my Bushmaster upper be out of spec?  I highly doubt WOA would mess up a barrel as well.
6/10/2007 6:50:01 PM EDT
[#19]
you say your irons are high as well as the optics right? so you can rule out all of the above bs (scope mounts irons) it almost sounds like the face of the upper or the barrel extension is out of wack. try getting a   upper receiver lapping tool and see what happens... just my 2 cents
6/10/2007 7:05:22 PM EDT
[#20]
That s the only thing i could see going wrong.  I might just go with a new upper anyway.  Got my eye on the Vltor MUR.  That might solve my problem.
6/11/2007 3:02:30 AM EDT
[#21]
Was not refering to the barrel, but the upper. Could of been more clear.
6/11/2007 6:49:15 AM EDT
[#22]

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Was not refering to the barrel, but the upper. Could of been more clear.


Guess I just didn't read it thru. That could be a possibility. Have never seen one off that far but it could happen. Hell a ding right on the end in the right spot would do it.
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