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1/25/2007 7:26:40 PM EDT
Is it necessary to have a buffer and buffer spring in my AR-15?  I recall hearing that semi-autos don't require the buffer/spring, only full-autos do.  They help the full autos cycle correctly.  Is this true?

The reason I ask is... I have everything to build my new AR, except those two parts.

Thanks.
1/25/2007 8:21:41 PM EDT
[#1]
negative.........

No Buffer/Spring means no worky.....

whoever told you that about ARs...I wouldn't follow any other advice they give you...
1/25/2007 8:44:11 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Is it necessary to have a buffer and buffer spring in my AR-15?  I recall hearing that semi-autos don't require the buffer/spring, only full-autos do.  They help the full autos cycle correctly.  Is this true?

The reason I ask is... I have everything to build my new AR, except those two parts.

Thanks.


Ummm. Seriously?



I'm not even trying to be an asshole, this time. You are really being serious?


Well, the answer is no. The short answer is you have to have something to push the bolt group back after firing a round.
1/25/2007 8:48:22 PM EDT
[#3]
Gotta chime in here even though it's already been covered.

Please do not fire your AR without the spring & buffer.  It could be very dangerous and would probably result in a trip to the hospital and a shredded AR.
1/25/2007 10:52:17 PM EDT
[#4]
The bolt has to be stopped and returned by something
1/25/2007 10:52:54 PM EDT
[#5]
Thanks for the info.  It didn't make much sense to me either.  But, I was watching the AIG dvd on AR-15's and I could have sworn the dude said the buffer and spring were not necessary on semi-autos.  he
Maybe I just misunderstood the guy.
1/25/2007 10:56:34 PM EDT
[#6]
It might fire once
I don't know what the bolt zooming back without the buffer and spring would do.

I have never seen that video, I think I heard it was not that hot, but I might be thinking of another one-maybe the bushmaster one
1/26/2007 4:43:53 AM EDT
[#7]
The buffer detent/retainer and detent/retainer spring are not really necessary.

But the buffer and action spring are required.
1/26/2007 6:24:13 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
It might fire once

The good news is that without the spring there's be no way to chamber a round from a magazine.

It could still be fired if the shooter manually dropped a live round into the chamber, pointed the muzzle at the ground and shook it a little to get the bolt to come forward then used the forward assist to get it to close.  Anybody so barin dead that they'd go through all that effort without realizing that something's wrong deserves what happens when they pull the trigger.
1/26/2007 6:50:18 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Is it necessary to have a buffer and buffer spring in my AR-15?  I recall hearing that semi-autos don't require the buffer/spring, only full-autos do.  They help the full autos cycle correctly.  Is this true?

The reason I ask is... I have everything to build my new AR, except those two parts.

Thanks.


You should not attempt a build until you understand how a Stoner system rifle works.
1/26/2007 9:49:19 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
The bolt has to be stopped and returned by something


In this case, it would brobably be the shooters shoulder and face stopping the bolt.
1/26/2007 10:40:10 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Thanks for the info.  It didn't make much sense to me either.  But, I was watching the AIG dvd on AR-15's and I could have sworn the dude said the buffer and spring were not necessary on semi-autos.  

Did any of you guys see the dvd?

Maybe I just misunderstood the guy.


I own this video.

Bob Dunlap . . .master gunsmith . . .was referring to the buffer weights specifically. His point was they aren't needed for semi-auto, but in full auto they help control the cyclic rate of the weapon.

I can understand your confusion . . . that guy is agonizingly dull to listen to.  Did you catch his joke about using a hand grenade to disassemble the FSB?  It was apparent only by his long pause and mindless stare into the camera.  I laughed out loud . . .

And I'm still not convinced that his recommendation of using Simple Green to clean the weapon is a good idea.  I'd hate to see that water based cleaner get into some crevices and start a rust issue.  However if you look at his fingernails you can understand his desire to use a friendly solvent.  That guy must clean a lot of guns!
1/26/2007 11:07:02 AM EDT
[#12]
Come on dude! What fun would shooting your AR be without that
SPROING!!!
in your right ear???
1/26/2007 12:29:10 PM EDT
[#13]
I believe Simple Green, while a good solvent that is "friendly" to people, leaves behind a chemical salt residue that can damage steel and is very bad for aluminum.  There is an "Extreme Simple Green", which has corrosion inhibitors that are supposed to mitigate the problem, but using a corrosive product which has had its corrosive propertis lessened seems like a bad idea when there are products made for guns available, some of which are supposed to be pretty safe.
1/26/2007 4:34:14 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
You should not attempt a build until you understand how a Stoner system rifle works.


Therefore you would read my How it works writeup.
1/26/2007 4:41:11 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
The buffer detent/retainer and detent/retainer spring are not really necessary.

But the buffer and action spring are required.



Broke my disconnecter like that luckily the weapon only fired 2 or 3 rounds and didn't run away on me.
1/26/2007 4:57:17 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The buffer detent/retainer and detent/retainer spring are not really necessary.

But the buffer and action spring are required.



Broke my disconnecter like that luckily the weapon only fired 2 or 3 rounds and didn't run away on me.


What on earth are you talking about? Can you elaborate?
1/26/2007 5:30:32 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

What on earth are you talking about? Can you elaborate?


Exactly!

How does not having a buffer detent break a disconnector?
1/26/2007 5:32:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Well ot was slamming maybe it was broken before i put one in and it stopped
1/26/2007 7:23:34 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Gotta chime in here even though it's already been covered.

Please do not fire your AR without the spring & buffer.  It could be very dangerous and would probably result in a trip to the hospital and a shredded AR.


I think you get the hint, the answer is yes they are required, and as phylodog said, please don't even think about trying it. The result would be very bad for the rifle, and even worse for you.
1/26/2007 8:47:51 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
I think you get the hint, the answer is yes they are required, and as phylodog said, please don't even think about trying it. The result would be very bad for the rifle, and even worse for you.


Awww...
That's no fun.
Quit being so practical.

To the OP, go ahead and try it.
Make sure a friend is video taping it.
Post the resulting video on you-tube and link it here.
If everyone else is like me, they also like to laugh at people injuring themselves.
1/26/2007 10:29:25 PM EDT
[#21]
height=8
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Quoted:
I think you get the hint, the answer is yes they are required, and as phylodog said, please don't even think about trying it. The result would be very bad for the rifle, and even worse for you.


Awww...hatQuit being so practical.

To the OP, go ahead and try it.
Make sure a friend is video taping it.
Post the resulting video on you-tube and link it here.
If everyone else is like me, they also like to laugh at people injuring themselves.
Haha I can only see this ending in tears and hilarity.
1/26/2007 11:58:35 PM EDT
[#22]
the general rule is: if its there origionally, then its there for a REASON

of course, some restrictions apply
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